Upgrading my RTi's to LSiM's... looking for input

I have been reading all over the forums and the web about the LSiM 703,705,& 707's.

Usage is about 60% HT > 40% Music. My room is 17x19... See Pic

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Current Setup:
LCR = RTi A7's and CSi A6
Surround = FXi A4's
Subs = 2x Def Tech Prosub 1000 (10'inch sealed with passive bass radiator)
Amp = Front 3 are powered by Emotiva XPA-3 (200 watts/channel RMS)

I'm getting the 706c as my center, my dilemma is whether I should just get the 703's since they'll be running with 2 subs already. Or should I get the 707's and lower the subs crossover so they only help out during explosions/really low bass?

Any thoughts/opinions would be appreciated. I have enjoyed the RTi's, but I'm ready to step up to the next level and my Emotiva is ready for a workout. Unfortunately, I cannot demo these speakers anywhere so I'm looking for some first hand opinions.

Thanks!
My HT Gallery
My HT Build Log
Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
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  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 4,110
    Nice setup.

    Do you listen to music in two-channel or with the subs? If you run the subs for both music and HT I'd say get the 703.
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,390
    Love the color of the walls!
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  • gcegce Posts: 2,178
    I went from RTiA7's, CSiA6 and FXiA6's to 703's up front and a 706c. I left the FxiA6's as surrounds and it sounds great. Mainly I wanted a more musical front Left and right for 2 channel. By doing this I got a better sounding HT as well.
    Anaheim Hills CA,
    HT 5.1: Anthem MRX 720 / BDP-Denon DBT1713UD / Polkaudio LSiM703 / W4S mAmp's / Polkaudio LSiM706c / Polkaudio LSiM702F/X's / SVS PC12-NSD / Panasonic TC P55VT30

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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 5,613
    btmower are those FX's on the wall?
  • gcegce Posts: 2,178
    afterburnt wrote: »
    btmower are those FX's on the wall?

    Look at the first picture, there on the wall.

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  • Thanks guys for the input... Yes they are FXi A4's as surrounds.

    I do leave the subwoofers on all the time, so they would be running in conjunction with the 707's if I decided to go that route.

    Are the 703's the same as the 707's minus the bass woofers or are they tuned differently?
    My HT Gallery
    My HT Build Log
    Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
    Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
    Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 5,613
    gce wrote: »
    afterburnt wrote: »
    btmower are those FX's on the wall?

    Look at the first picture, there on the wall.

    yeah I did that is wye I axed. my eyes dont see so gud anymore
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 5,613
    btmower wrote: »
    Thanks guys for the input... Yes they are FXi A4's as surrounds.

    I do leave the subwoofers on all the time, so they would be running in conjunction with the 707's if I decided to go that route.

    Are the 703's the same as the 707's minus the bass woofers or are they tuned differently?

    How come you aint looking to change out the FX's for 702's?
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    Welcome to Club Polk BT. With the size of the room go with your plan of the 707s. I don't think bookshelves can really hold a candle to tower speakers especially since the fullness of sound is what you are already used to with your fine system.

    Make sure you post more pics once you get everything set up.
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  • gcegce Posts: 2,178
    afterburnt wrote: »
    gce wrote: »
    afterburnt wrote: »
    btmower are those FX's on the wall?

    Look at the first picture, there on the wall.

    yeah I did that is wye I axed. my eyes dont see so gud anymore

    That's cool...mine don't either. :)
    Anaheim Hills CA,
    HT 5.1: Anthem MRX 720 / BDP-Denon DBT1713UD / Polkaudio LSiM703 / W4S mAmp's / Polkaudio LSiM706c / Polkaudio LSiM702F/X's / SVS PC12-NSD / Panasonic TC P55VT30

    2 Channel: Rogue RP-5 / WireWorld Electra power cord / Marantz TT-15S1/ Ortofon - Quintet Black MC / Marantz NA8005 DAC / W4S mAmp's / Synology DS 216+ll-4TB / Polkaudio LSiM703
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,677
    Get the 705's, best of the three.....seriously. Also, get different amp.

    The room is very nice. B)
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  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 4,110
    F1nut wrote: »
    Get the 705's, best of the three.....seriously. Also, get different amp.

    The room is very nice. B)

    I thought about recommending the 705 as well. I don't think you can go wrong with whatever you choose.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
  • F1nut wrote: »
    Get the 705's, best of the three.....seriously. Also, get different amp.

    The room is very nice. B)

    I thought about the 705's, but does it lack in mid-range punch due to the smaller mid-driver? Also, Whats wrong with my amp? :disappointed:

    Thanks for the input!
    My HT Gallery
    My HT Build Log
    Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
    Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
    Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 4,110
    Emotiva is something of a lighting rod. Personally I'd upgrade the speakers first and worry about the amp later. I owned an XPA-5 and was happy with it, but I've moved on and now run a Sunfire. Better? Yes A lot better? Matter of opinion.

    I personally thin it depends on what type of audiophile you are. I'm feel confident that there are several members on here who could tell more of a difference if you kept the speakers and got a better amp, bit I'm also have no doubt that I could detect a better upgrade by getting new speakers and keeping the Emo.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,677
    btmower wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Get the 705's, best of the three.....seriously. Also, get different amp.

    The room is very nice. B)

    I thought about the 705's, but does it lack in mid-range punch due to the smaller mid-driver?

    No, it doesn't and it's a better balanced speaker.
    Also, Whats wrong with my amp?

    Seems to be ok for HT, but falls short for music, which is more demanding and requires a certain finesse.
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  • afterburnt wrote: »

    How come you aint looking to change out the FX's for 702's?

    I'd love the 702's, but they are PRICEY. I may upgrade them in the future, but the A4's will do for now. I am planning on adding 4 ceiling speakers and upgrading to an Atmos receiver next... then perhaps I'll upgrade my surrounds /amp.

    My HT Gallery
    My HT Build Log
    Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
    Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
    Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
  • adabroadabro Posts: 208
    I had a similar set up, went with 705's, 703's and a 704 - no regrets, very happy with the results. I started out with the 703's up front, but ended up picking up the 705's later, 703's were good up front, but the 705's are better (to me at least)

    I also have the XPA-3, sounds pretty good to me....
  • adabro wrote: »
    I had a similar set up, went with 705's, 703's and a 704 - no regrets, very happy with the results. I started out with the 703's up front, but ended up picking up the 705's later, 703's were good up front, but the 705's are better (to me at least)

    I also have the XPA-3, sounds pretty good to me....

    This is exactly what I was hoping for, first hand comparison between the 703's and the 705's. I would say I watch movies at high volume, but don't often listen to music at high volume. So perhaps the added extension of the 705/707's would be better for me in such a wide open room. Thanks for the input!

    Part of me is still tempted to still get the 703's and then upgrade my subs... but I could probably go round-and-round in my head on that topic for eternity. :)
    My HT Gallery
    My HT Build Log
    Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
    Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
    Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,677
    This is exactly what I was hoping for, first hand comparison between the 703's and the 705's.

    That's what I gave you and that includes the 707's.
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  • F1nut wrote: »
    This is exactly what I was hoping for, first hand comparison between the 703's and the 705's.

    That's what I gave you and that includes the 707's.

    You're among several people on this forum and AVSForums who have recommended the 705's as being the best. I appreciate it and I'm strongly considering them.

    I have a new baby coming in a few weeks, so once wife/baby are home and healthy, I'll be placing the order. I guess that gives me more time to mull it over and torture myself!
    My HT Gallery
    My HT Build Log
    Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
    Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
    Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,887
    I used to have lsim 705 and 706 in a similar sized room as yours, with a hallway at the back of the room, with a bathroom and bedroom. My 705's showed signs of distress with certain movie passages (crossed over at 80hz). I like my movies loud, and the 705 couldn't make it close to reference levels, the 5 inch drivers would pop, with the volume in my Marantz at around -10. I had them properly powered by a sunfire tga 7401, with not shot gun cabling, and a 7702 pre/pro. I even switch my lsi15 back in and this didn't happen. I tried everything.

    I agree the 705 is a better balanced speaker, but for the size of your room you will be hitting its limitations. I used my 705 in a two channel system for a long time and sounded great for music. I really think the 707 would be better for your room, and of course get an amp.

    The lsim is a more laid back speaker, so prepare yourself for that since you are used to RTI, which work great for movies. I've owed every speaker in the RTI A line, most in the RTI line, every speaker in the lsi line, and have lots of experience with lsim 705 and 706. I was OBSESSED with home theater for the better part of 12 years, all polk audio.
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  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,472
    btmower wrote: »
    I have a new baby coming in a few weeks, so once wife/baby are home and healthy, I'll be placing the order. I guess that gives me more time to mull it over and torture myself!

    Congrats to you and your wife.

    I would recommend a pair of floor standing speakers with small kids around for safety reasons. The 703s are big and heavy and require heavy duty stands, which adds another expense. I would go with the 705s. When I tried to do that the seller sent me 707s instead, which I like too.
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  • mikeyb128 wrote: »

    The lsim is a more laid back speaker, so prepare yourself for that since you are used to RTI, which work great for movies. I've owed every speaker in the RTI A line, most in the RTI line, every speaker in the lsi line, and have lots of experience with lsim 705 and 706. I was OBSESSED with home theater for the better part of 12 years, all polk audio.

    I have enjoyed the RTi's, but they don't seem to image well... I'm not sure if I am using the term properly, but when I close my eyes, the sounds origin is easy to place in the room. Even when I'm in the sweet-spot, I can still easily pick out Left, Right, and Center. This happens in music and movies

    When you say the LSiM's are more laid back than the RTi's, is it possible to describe how? Does the image created by the LSiM's blend better?
    Emlyn wrote: »

    Congrats to you and your wife.

    I would recommend a pair of floor standing speakers with small kids around for safety reasons. The 703s are big and heavy and require heavy duty stands, which adds another expense. I would go with the 705s. When I tried to do that the seller sent me 707s instead, which I like too.

    Thank you, Even though I don't plan on allow a toddle in my HT unattended, I'd be lying if I said the thought didn't concern me of a bookshelf toppling when I have my back turned. It is definitely a factor I'm weighing when making my decision.
    My HT Gallery
    My HT Build Log
    Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
    Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
    Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,677
    btmower wrote: »
    I have enjoyed the RTi's, but they don't seem to image well... I'm not sure if I am using the term properly, but when I close my eyes, the sounds origin is easy to place in the room. Even when I'm in the sweet-spot, I can still easily pick out Left, Right, and Center. This happens in music and movies

    When you say the LSiM's are more laid back than the RTi's, is it possible to describe how? Does the image created by the LSiM's blend better?

    The RTi's are more forward, in your face. The LSiM's are more relaxed, musical.

    Your imaging issue, while somewhat speaker related also has to do with their placement, your room, your source and power.
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,206
    edited February 2016
    Try moving the speakers farther apart, closer together, less toe-in, more toe-in... experiment. Drag the coffee table away while you're listening.
    afterburnt wrote: »
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,438
    Maybe it's the optical thing, but it appears the first reflection point on that left speaker is being sucked out into that open office space to the left. That will have something to do with your imaging problem.


    "Your imaging issue, while somewhat speaker related also has to do with their placement, your room, your source and power."......as F1NUT eluded to, add cables also into that mix.

    Obviously you can't change the room, so work on other aspects. The Emo amps aren't doing you any favors either for music with those speakers.

    Putting together a system is like putting together the pieces of a puzzle. You have to pick pieces that compliment each other, or overcome some bad characteristics with good ones to achieve the sound you want to hear.
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  • btmowerbtmower Posts: 25
    Good news! Baby came about 12 days early and everyone is home and healthy from the hospital, so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on my purchase.

    Since I don't plan to upgrade mains for a loooong time, I went ahead and bought the LSiM707's and 706c. The deal I got was too good to pass up, so I went all out. They are en-route and will be here Monday or Tuesday. I'm stoked and cannot wait to hook them up side by side with my RTi A7's/CSi A6 and do a little comparison.

    Before I sell my A7's/A6, I will probably get some pictures and video uploaded to my youtube channel as a demo for anyone else interested in the same upgrade.

    Can't wait... I'll update once they're all setup.
    My HT Gallery
    My HT Build Log
    Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
    Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
    Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
  • polk500polk500 Posts: 1,181
    Congrats to you and your wife, glad to hear everyone is healthy.

    I made the move last year from the Rtia series to the Lsim 705's & 706C and couldn't be happier.
    You are going to be impressed sir... I know I was

    Cheers
  • btmowerbtmower Posts: 25
    polk500 wrote: »
    Congrats to you and your wife, glad to hear everyone is healthy.

    I made the move last year from the Rtia series to the Lsim 705's & 706C and couldn't be happier.
    You are going to be impressed sir... I know I was

    Cheers

    Thank you, I'm rather excited.... What are you powering yours with?

    My HT Gallery
    My HT Build Log
    Yamaha A-1010 w/ Emotiva XPA-3
    Polk LSiM 707, LSiM 706c, FXi A4, Dual Deftech ProSub 1000
    Epson HC3500 w/ 100' SI Black Diamond
  • mikejl46mikejl46 Posts: 63
    I look forward to your comparison
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