Crap...........have to stop looking at Audio sale sites!!

heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
edited January 2016 in The Clubhouse
This disease (audio junkies disease) is really getting the better of me. I don't NEED anything for my main rig. I am extremely happy with everything at this point. Still have some tweaking to do with the SDA's. Rings, spikes, etc. And after the 2nd round with the Backert pre-amp I am installing the Dexa discrete op-amps in the Eastern Electric Mini Max Plus Dac.

But I am always looking at audio f/s sites. I found another Nelson Pass amp at a killer price that I have been wanting to audition, even though I have nothing but praise for my Aleph 30. I don't need it beyond being curious and my love for Nelson Pass amps.

Do I incur the short wrath of the girlfriend and pull the trigger on the assumption that I will sell one of them eventually. I already booked V-Day plans, so I'm good there.....lol.

Or do I just let it pass (pun intended) and walk away, only to regret taking advantage of a stellar deal. I've been watching this amp for awhile and I'd be hard pressed to pay what a place like Reno HiFi wants for a fully warrantied used piece. This one almost $1K less than Reno sells used pieces for.

Oh the situations I get myself in. I CAN'T pass up a good deal! It's my Achilles heal!!

H9

"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • mrbironmrbiron Posts: 5,677
    Pass or first watt? I say go for it!...she's only a girlfriend....
    “If your eyes didn’t water, it means I didn’t go deep enough” says the nurse administering my COVID19 test. She was sweet...
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 9,502
    edited January 2016
    So buy it, check it out, and sell something else in exchange or sell the Pass for market value which sounds like it would net you a profit.
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
    Yes, I am a skeptic because sometimes things are too good to be true so I will be doing my due diligence on the seller to make sure it's on the up and up.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
    edited January 2016
    mrbiron wrote: »
    Pass or first watt? I say go for it!...she's only a girlfriend....

    First Watt..... she is supportive, but has no idea what things cost. Meaning if I can spend that kind of money on a piece of audio equipment, she's going to want her exotic vacation soon......lol

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
    Nightfall wrote: »
    So buy it, check it out, and sell something else in exchange or sell the Pass for market value which sounds like it would net you a profit.

    No profit, out of pocket $700-800 when all shakes out if I kept it and sold the Aleph. A wash if I buy it and decide it's not for me and resell it.

    It's not common ground so I need to build an AI-1 before I could even listen to it....so there's that.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • mrbironmrbiron Posts: 5,677
    What she doesn't know won't kill her. Tell her it was A LOT LESS than an engagement ring. :p
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  • msgmsg Posts: 6,382
    Any one of us could have written this post. I especially love the part where you say you can always sell something. (That's right up there with "I can stop any time I like.") I use that trick on myself all the time to assuage my conscience and feed the denial.

    Try this on her:
    "If you really love me..."

    Then, as a precautionary measure, brace for impact.
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  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 7,252
    Just get her a Michael Kors purse/handbag, or one from the other popular designers, and spend, spend, spend! B)
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  • boston1450boston1450 Posts: 6,743
    You only live once :)
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    I think it's hilarious you can say [email protected] in a thread title but not in a post....

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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 17,237
    Brock you've got enough stuff in closets to make up the cost of you really wanted it lol....

    Couple DACs, your wall o tubes, etc hehehehe
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,655
    I think it's hilarious you can say [email protected] in a thread title but not in a post....

    That is hilarious!

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
    edited January 2016
    Brock you've got enough stuff in closets to make up the cost of you really wanted it lol....

    Couple DACs, your wall o tubes, etc hehehehe

    True, but I don't want to get rid of all that just justify getting this amp. It's a good enough price if it didn't work out, I could sell it. I just hate the chore of selling outside my friends and this forum, especially a higher $$$ piece.

    I am doing some reading right now about the amp. There's lots of info from Papa himself and reviews, etc. This is one of the few FW amps that can run conventional speakers well. Inputs are transformer coupled to J-Fet outputs, a single stage push/pull class A amp. Simple, simple, simple. 25wpc/8 ohms and 50wpc/ 4 ohms.

    Tax season is here and I'm pretty sure I'm getting a decent amount back. I have spent a lot recently on audio and told myself I was going to stop for awhile, but sometimes you find a great deal.

    Now who has a transformer I can use to build an AI-1????

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Just get her a Michael Kors purse/handbag, or one from the other popular designers, and spend, spend, spend! B)

    She's not into designer stuff so much......but an exotic location vacation...... :D
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
    F1nut wrote: »
    I think it's hilarious you can say [email protected] in a thread title but not in a post....

    That is hilarious!

    Yeah, I was surprised too. Didn't even think about it being a "bad" word when I made the post. I suppose Ken might come along and edit to read "darn".

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
    My only caveat is this is a "pilot run"meaning it was a pre-production unit. It uses Semi South R100 J-Fets. The final version runs use Mos-Fets and the general consensus is the Mos-Fet sounds a little better.

    Here's the article comparing the two

    http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/firstwatt/1.html

    Both are outstanding but the Mos-Fet seems to get the nod.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • msgmsg Posts: 6,382
    edited January 2016
    Since you don't *really* need it, why not just hold out for the one you *really* want? Doesn't really seem worth it if you won't be truly satisfied.
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  • 11tsteve11tsteve Posts: 1,173
    I kind of feel the same way this week. I have been very happy with my McCormack DNA 0.5, and the entire system... but found myself looking at DNA 1 Deluxes. I almost pulled the trigger on one this week.... in the course of that, I had occasion to talk to SMcAUdio.

    So now, somehow, instead of me buying a DNA 1 Deluxe for relatively little out-of-pocket expense, my DNA 0.5 is on it's way to be almost completely rebuilt with the Gold+ upgrade package.
    My wife knows I sent it in, and what's being done to it. She also knows not to ask how much.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,671
    Judging by that review Brock, it seems to me it might be a tad too laid back. Even at the end, he claims it's an "older" man's amp. I know your a year younger than Moses, but you sure that type of sound would mate well with the MM, Polks, and MIT cables ? It appears it may even be warmer than the Pass.

    Looks like an over abundance of warmth to me, but if you like that sound go for it.
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,151
    msg wrote: »
    Since you don't *really* need it, why not just hold out for the one you *really* want? Doesn't really seem worth it if you won't be truly satisfied.

    The rub is, I don't know. Nelson says it was a surprise for him to prefer the Mos-Fet in the end. But if I read between the lines, we are splitting hairs at this level, and we all hears and like different things.

    First Watt amps are very limited and is a way for Nelson to tinker with circuits without having to meet a "corporate" mindset. So in a sense they are all "experiments" and they are all different "flavors"

    I have just been wanting to give one a whirl to satisfy my curiosity. There are really only 3 or 4 that can mate with a conventional speaker. The J2 (long discontinued, but an evolution of the Aleph 30 using J-Fets) M2, F5 and F6.

    The one I'm looking at retailed for $3500, Reno Hi-Fi sells gently used units for $2595-2995. This guy is asking $1650. Another idiot is asking $3500 for his pilot unit.

    At $1650, I probably won't loose any money or very little if it just doesn't fit in my system. Although this guy has had it F/S for several weeks. It's a very limited market for sure.

    Or, I can just wait until a reasonably priced Pass XA-30.5 or XA-30.8 come for sale, at about twice the price!

    I'm still contemplating.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • gcegce Posts: 2,186
    I think it's hilarious you can say [email protected] in a thread title but not in a post....

    So we should put our true feelings in the post title for now on. :D

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  • msgmsg Posts: 6,382
    heiney9 wrote: »
    msg wrote: »
    Since you don't *really* need it, why not just hold out for the one you *really* want? Doesn't really seem worth it if you won't be truly satisfied.

    The rub is, I don't know. Nelson says it was a surprise for him to prefer the Mos-Fet in the end. But if I read between the lines, we are splitting hairs at this level, and we all hears and like different things.

    First Watt amps are very limited and is a way for Nelson to tinker with circuits without having to meet a "corporate" mindset. So in a sense they are all "experiments" and they are all different "flavors"

    I have just been wanting to give one a whirl to satisfy my curiosity. There are really only 3 or 4 that can mate with a conventional speaker. The J2 (long discontinued, but an evolution of the Aleph 30 using J-Fets) M2, F5 and F6.

    The one I'm looking at retailed for $3500, Reno Hi-Fi sells gently used units for $2595-2995. This guy is asking $1650. Another idiot is asking $3500 for his pilot unit.

    At $1650, I probably won't loose any money or very little if it just doesn't fit in my system. Although this guy has had it F/S for several weeks. It's a very limited market for sure.

    Or, I can just wait until a reasonably priced Pass XA-30.5 or XA-30.8 come for sale, at about twice the price!

    I'm still contemplating.

    H9
    yeah, I hear ya man, that curiosity can be a bit of a mad-maker. I go through this pretty much every time I'm trying to figure out which way to go with a piece of gear, or when something relatively rare for me pops up. similarly, until actually getting hands/ears on it, you'll never really know. For me, this usually means extended experience with plenty of time to settle in with it to know for certain. Sometimes I just end up getting the piece in question anyway, if I'm able, in order to find out for myself and mostly to relieve the madness/curiosity. If that's an option and a you really can turn it around later without much of a beating, then it sounds like you don't have much to lose and you hereby have my permission to move forward :)

    I just know that I've been in similar positions, and if I get something that is not quite what I had my heart set on, I always wonder, and am sometimes not quite satisfied, and in a couple of cases have ended up with the originally desired piece down the road a ways, as well, and then have the hassle of moving the lesser desired piece. Then again, plenty of other times the thing I thought I was set on from the get-go turned out to be all wrong once I learned more and tried other stuff. Not much help, hehe, more just sayin', hey man, I get where you're at.

    It does sound like a good opportunity, however my consideration here would be just what you've said about it being a very limited market - that might make it difficult for you to pass on down the road. Getting it discounted like you seem to be makes that less of a problem, but still. Sometimes I try to sleep on it a few nights and see where I am once the frenzy dissipates.

    My earlier comment was probably more me trying to parent myself. It rarely works :)
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  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,887
    heiney9 wrote: »
    mrbiron wrote: »
    Pass or first watt? I say go for it!...she's only a girlfriend....

    She is supportive, but has no idea what things cost. Meaning if I can spend that kind of money on a piece of audio equipment, she's going to want her exotic vacation soon......lol

    Sounds exactly like my girlfriend!
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  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,367
    in a word, or 2 . . . Buy It!
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  • dkg999dkg999 Posts: 5,658
    Buy the f'ing amp and quit wondering about it.
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  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,887
    dkg999 wrote: »
    Buy the f'ing amp and quit wondering about it.

    I like how you think.
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