Response To Habanero Monk's Inquiry

Well it does say they are "special members"..

Sad really. It's like a virus! I recently read on another audio forum that Monitor 10's are best for low power applications. And that a small pair of old Warfdales are better than Polk speakers and a pair of Boston A400's.

DarqueKnight wrote: »

So there you have it: Some people believe (or want to believe) that Club Polk is a "bastion of lunacy" and a "den of internet thugs" whose members are:

1. Psychoacoustical Neanderthals.
2. Chimps.
3. Audiophools.
4. Thugs.
5. Lunatics.

To my knowledge, and Mr. Brown/Jinjuku/Habanero Monk can correct me if I am wrong, no one at Club Polk has ever created thread after thread whose purpose is to bash another forum and its members. The thread cited above was ostensibly about an Ethernet audio cable test, but see how quickly it devolved into a bitching and whining "troll therapy" session about Club Polk in general and about me in particular.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is obvious that the anger and hostility directed toward Club Polk by these individuals is simply due to the fact that trolls cannot come here and run amok.

I have stated it a number of times before Ray, and will continue to do so in the future. Projection is the most used psychological "tool" in current society. It is used by The President all the way "down" to the local grocery store clerk.

Perhaps it is being used in the case(s) above. After all, who are acting like a group of "internet thugs", while bashing Club Polk? I will stop there as I am sure you get the idea.

I am happy that "we" (including Polk Forum members and moderators, and of course being the members with positive intentions towards our forum) are able to prevent others from acting like "Internet thugs" on our forum. Are we curt with others somethimes? Absolutely. Are we doing it to be "thuggish"? Absolutely not, and our forum members never initiate confrontations with others. That is fact and not "my perception".

Thanks Ray for the great post.

I'm just curious about how they get away with spouting such garbage over there. I mean, nobody else calls them on the carpet ? Mods...other members ?

I'm surprised too because AVS has some exceptional members over there who also don't suffer trolls very well.

Forums have a personality that reflects its members. The few times I have tried to follow threads over there I quickly grew bored and tired. The group mentality doesn't seem to accept that gear can be better than entry level gear. Just yesterday I was reading a thread where somebody wanted to know if a standalone DAC could be better than his Oppo 93. Obviously, the answer is "Of course", but people were telling him no. Higher priced DACs are a waste of money, and the Oppo 93 is fine.

I was just looking at another thread where they are arguing a $20 CD player is as good as a $20,000 CD player.

I suspect that since they accept ads from low end vendors that is a reason why mods encourage low end threads, and discourage high end threads.

I love the chimps part of this....never underestimate the intelligence of chimps......

Amps should be bought for their features and power ratings, not in how they sound.

OMG...did someone REALLY say that? That is the funniest dumbest **** I have ever heard! lol

I tend to ignore the insignificant that are obviously just being objectionable; it's a strategy I recommend. In my mind, people who continously object to an idea, rather than simply stating their opinion and moving along---have insecurity issues. IOW, they are just not content with stating their opposition, they feel like they need to make you think like them; no respect for differing opinions. I concede to (as an example) non-cable believers; I get it, you're not hearing a difference, therefore spending alot of money on cables is not a good move for you--and doesn't make much sense to you. Amen--- I hear ya; but why attack the credibility of others who haven't had the same experience as you?

It reminds me of the atheist conflict. You have people who are atheist; ok cool, you don't believe in God--hey it's a free country. Then you have the vindictive atheist, who not only do not believe, but call people who do "idiots" and "morons" and praying to a "false sky-ghost" and go on a personal mission to take away meaningful things from believers---IOW, can't respect the fact that other people are entitled to their opinions as well.

Reading the AVS threads was rather interesting. The theory of "Everything matters" doesn't seem to be held in high regard over there.
I'd have to disagree with that viewpoint.
Everything DOES matter or at least has an effect.
If we haven't been able to develop a means of measuring what effect a change in a component has on a system doesn't mean that there is no effect.
A "proof" for that change may not have been developed yet, or the way we have for measuring that change are not being used correctly.

A bumblebee used to be thought to not be to be able to fly, technically.
Yet, we've all seen bumblebees fly.
A person who had never "seen" a bumblebee fly could assume that those who have seen a bumblebee fly are either lying or deluded.
"Impossible ! Bumblebee wings have been measured and are shown to be inadequate to provide the necessary lift for flight in wind tunnel tests !"
And they would be "right".
So how is it that bumblebees can fly then ?
It's because "we" were initially measuring the wrong things.
We measured with fixed-wing aircraft in mind, the things we we were familiar with.
If we had instead measured wing speed, we'd have seen that the wings actually "flap" a little faster, enough for the bumblebee to maintain flight for very short periods of time.
How do they stay in flight for longer periods ?
If we measure their flight patterns, we'd see that they fly in figure-8 patterns. This enables them to maintain flight for longer periods.

So we could have spent our time trying to convince bumblebees that they can't fly, or acknowledge that "Hey, they can !" and figuring out where our reasoning or what we're measuring is wrong.

Same thing with audio.
Just because I might not be able to hear a difference doesn't mean there isn't one when a different component is used. More than likely that is because my "measuring tools" (ears) aren't up to the task for smaller measurements (thanks to steam turbines, 2000 ton chillers, Mott the Hoople & Robin Trower concerts, etc).

BTW: the other forum members don't hold the use of analogies in high regard, either. A data-backed graph is preferable, I suppose, but analogies can make a point also, IMO. Especially when we haven't discovered the necessary tools for measuring differences.

The avs forum is silly and people are afraid of the polkies because we represent the hobby.

polkfarmboy wrote: »

The avs forum is silly and people are afraid of the polkies because we represent the hobby.

I... I just don't know what to say...

; - )

For some reason, this seems mildly on topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf3rfTMvyHQ

I would bet Mr Brown/Hab monk/jinjuk is now posting here and elsewhere under a few new names.