MIT Shotgun S3.3 Cable Demo/Review Round 4

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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited November 2012
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    F1nut wrote: »
    What extra real estate? You would still have cable on the floor running to the speakers, these just have a box on them that is a few inches wider than the actual cable. Really, I don't understand the issue. Besides, the boxes say badass like none other....be proud, show them off.



    The speaker cables can be ordered with longer tails. The overall length will be the same, say 8 feet, but the tails will be longer while the main cable will shorter.

    As for needing support, nope. I've had a pair of Shotgun cables "hanging" off the backs of my office speakers for 6 or 7 years, not an issue.

    Thanks Jesse,

    You make valid points and the adjustable length on the out end of the box is a definite plus. As far as the bulbus nanodongle hanging off the back of my office set.....thanks.....thanks a lot, for a nightmarish visual! LOL
    Too much **** to list....
  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,872
    edited November 2012
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    What extra real estate? You would still have cable on the floor running to the speakers, these just have a box on them that is a few inches wider than the actual cable. Really, I don't understand the issue. Besides, the boxes say badass like none other....be proud, show them off.

    They are sweet looking, and do their job VERY well from what I have read, but if your amp is higher than the cable coming out of the box, you might have to find some support to reach your amp (As Dan mentioned).
    Mine is not that high (as most I am sure), and that would be a fun project for me personally, I can see some coffee cans filled with sand to support the boxes, may actually be some benenfit!:lol:
    Hillbilly engineering!

    Minor problem to say the least.
    I would have jumped in on this, but they are out of my price range, and knowing my luck, somehow, they would have ended up broken beyond repair!:wink:
    But I have enjoyed reading the great reviews!

    Plus, I plan on sneaking over to brgman's and stealing his in the near future.:redface:
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  • SDA1C
    SDA1C Posts: 2,072
    edited November 2012
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    Regardless of how, Pep, you really should get an ear on them. What a nice smooth sound there is.
    Too much **** to list....
  • Amherst
    Amherst Posts: 695
    edited December 2012
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    Curious if this demo will be running after the beginning of the new year?

    Would have to move my amp location to accommodate the length of these cables and prefer not to mess with the rig before the holidays.
    Parasound C1, T3, HCA-3500, HCA-2205A, P/DD1550, Pioneer DV-79avi, Oppo BDP-83, WD Media Server W/HDD,
    Dynaudio Contour 3.3, Dynaudio Contour T2.1, Polk OWM3, Polk DSW micropro 1000 (x2),
    Pioneer Kuro 50" Plasma, Phillips Pronto Control w/Niles HT-MSU.
  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited December 2012
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    Looks like these are coming my way. This will put them to the test. I have yet to hear any difference in cables. Now I will also say that I have not really tried any high quality cables.
    These MIT will have "stiff" competition as I am currently using a hodge podge set of cables. I think one of the cables I am using was one that came with a cheap cd player I bought in the 80's. You get the picture.

    So you dont think that I have a hearing deficiency. I have been able to hear drastic differences in amps, speakers, tubes etc.

    Gonna be fun!
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
  • Slinger182
    Slinger182 Posts: 512
    edited December 2012
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    Wow what a cool experience trying out these cables. Thanks to Jesse and MIT for the opportunity to try these out.
    My gear;
    Parasound 2100 pre, Oppo 83 bdp and b&k tx4430 amp.
    Signal cable analog 2 interconnects and ultra speaker cables.
    TSi 500 speakers (stock for now)
    16x15x8 room

    When I unpacked these I was blown away by the size of them. They are huge! The build quality is just incredible. I love the quality of my signal cables but these just took it to a completely different level.

    Unfortunately after unpacking these I immediately had to leave to catch a flight for a 5 day trip to see some family for Thanksgiving. I got home late Sunday night but after catching up on some work at home on Monday I had most of the day to hook these up to my system and enjoy.

    I listened Led Zeppelin 1 because it's a CD I've been listening to almost my whole life. I listened to it all the way through with my signal cables. I swapped in the MITs which was a bit of a chore with the thickness of the cables. I really like the locking interconnects and I swapped in spades on the speaker cables on the amp ends which was quite easy to do.

    After getting everything swapped in it was time to sit back and check these cables out. I immediately liked what I was hearing. The sound stage changed a lot. The sound seemed to be a lot closer to me and it was a much wider stage. The cables seemed to do a better job of hiding my speakers as well. Also the music was much more detailed. I was definitely picking up some sounds I hadn't noticed before.

    Bass and mid-bass response was also much better. Definitely felt more defined and separated. I quit using my sub a while ago for 2 channel. The psw 505 is fine for HT but for 2 channel it just wasn't cutting it. So the improved bass I got out of my 500s from the cables was one of the most noticeable things right away.

    I really enjoyed going through my collection and the new sound I was getting from my modest rig. I don't consider myself audiophile and haven't gotten my ears on a lot of different equipment. I'm just a guy that enjoys music and consider this a hobby or journey into getting better sound.

    Overall there wasn't anything I didn't like about these cables. The price is definitely a little out of my range. I don't think I would bother trying to upgrade my cables until I could afford these.

    If you have a chance to give these a try in your setup I highly recommend it.

    Thanks again to Jesse and MIT.
    Panny 55-st30 plasma
    Pioneer vsx-1121
    Parasound 2100 pre
    b&k tx4430 amp
    Oppo bdp-83
    Monster HTS 3500
    polk TSi500s Vr3 Fortress modded
    polk CS20 center channel Vr3 Castle modded
    polk Owm 3 surrounds
    polk PSW505
  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,676
    edited December 2012
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    Nice review. Thanks
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited December 2012
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    The eagle has landed. Very large box. I will open tomorrow and check it out!
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited December 2012
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    Ok I opened the box! Here is what came out.
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    I take them downstairs to my basement rig.
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    Yaqin MC-10L
    Yaqin MS -12b
    Klipsch KG4
    Pioneer PL550
    Squeezebox touch
    Here is a picture of the MIT cable and a Monster cable that I was using between Squeezebox Touch.
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    Here is a picture of the MIT cable and a no name come w/ cheap component cable that I was using between the Yaqin MS 12b preand the Yaqin MC- 10l integrated.
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    Here is a picture of MIT speaker cable and some Monoprice 14awg
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    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited December 2012
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    First thing I noticed was the build quality of the MIT cables. These things are heavy duty. I really don't know a lot about cabling but these are impressive by sight and feel.
    Time to give them a listen.
    I had just listened to a few songs from Natalie Merchant Tigerlily so I could get the sound in my head.
    First I just swap out the Monsters for the MIT (low impedence switch) between squeezebox and Yaqin pre. I power the system up at same volume as I was listening. First think I notice is that the volume is a little lower and the highs were slightly muted but the bass was a bit more noticeable. All in all a very slight difference if any difference at all. Hmmm, not impressed.
    Second I then swap out the cheap IC's for the MIT between Yaqin pre and integrated. MIT's still on squeezebox too. Again nothing really. I am thinking these things are a bust. Time to call Jesse and tell him to come and get these cables. I am even hesitant to try out the speaker cables because they are so big and slightly unwieldy. Well since they are here I figured better give it a try.
    Ok, all MITcables and speaker cables are now in the mix. I turn on the system again and now I hear something different. Bass punch much better, a fuller sound, the horns are tamed. I sit and listen to almost all of Tigerlily and then switch to Abbey Road (which I have heard a thousand times). Come together just comes together! I am now really liking these cables. In fact too much. I decide to do what I have done up to this point but backwards. I take off MIT and put back Monster on Squeezebox. The fuller sound is gone. Things sound thin and brighter, but also it bit more airy. Next MIT off and cheap RCA's back between Yaqins. Sound still the same. Ok back to my Monoprice speaker "wire". Now the sound is really thin and bright in comparison. I now almost wish I have not done this.
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited December 2012
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    Then I go to MIT's website to find out how much these cable cost. Well for these two IC sets along with 10 meter speaker cables we are talking $2500.00. First thing that comes to my mind is, how can I get these or other cables that are similar for much cheaper. Used?
    I have now seen/heard what the difference in cabling can do to a system. These MIT's worked wonders w/my basement rig. Next up, Upstairs.

    Conrad Johnson MF 2200
    Conrad Johnson PV2
    Micro Seiki DD40
    Squeezebox touch (same one as basement )
    Maybe I will even hook up a SACD player (Not sure if I have any SACD's left)
    SDA 1C's w/RDO 194's, Clarity caps w/Mundorf Resistors VRTrey'd, upgraded Interconnect SDA cord and connections, Larrys Rings, spikes, etc.

    But this will have to wait till tomorrow.
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited December 2012
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    You can get them for about half that price from Joe at Equus Audio.
    Also TheCableCo.com
    Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC

    Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords

    I’M OFFENDED!!!!
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited December 2012
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    Rick, please wait until your demo is finished to post your thoughts/review.
  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited December 2012
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    Ok. However, the basement demo is over. I figured I better write it down while it was fresh. I am now waiting to find out the input impedance of my Conrad Johnson pv2 before continuing the demo.
    Wont post again till I am done. It wont be long. :smile:
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,992
    edited December 2012
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    WOW! Scored some of these S3.3 speaker cables on Audiogon and, once again, I'm amazed at how massive and well-built they are (these are bi-wire) and how much they improve the sound and imaging.

    Not sure if it has anything to do with the bi-wiring, but the soundstage width and imaging seems even better than what I remembered during the demo. And where I noted a couple instances of harshness/dryness during the demo, I just don't experience the same thing now. Amazing improvement. I just could not be any happier I decided to take the plunge earlier than planned after demoing, and would definitely make the same decision again. I am sure I wouldn't even have contemplated this purchase if it had not been for the demo, and I wouldn't know how good things could be.

    So, thanks again MIT and Jesse for making this program available to schmoes like me.

    Craig
    Beach Audio: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
    Beach Den: Bluesound Powernode 2i * DH Labs SS Q10 * Zu Omen DWII * Richard Gray RGPC
    Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
    Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited December 2012
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    Good score Craig, I plan on picking up a pair soon myself. I'm sure you realize also, that the MITs might be your "last" pair of wires.
  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited December 2012
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    Well I sent an email to Conrad Johnson to get input impedance for the pv2. They said it is 70 ohm so I went with the medium setting and set up the IC’s between the Squeezebox and the PV2. I then hooked up the IC's between the PV2 and MF2200. This I set the impedance to high (100 ohm). I then hooked up the speaker cables to my SDA 1C's.
    Originally I was using monster cable between the squeezebox and pv2. I was also using some braided cables made by pepster between pv2 and MF2200. In addition,I was using some in wall speaker wire that a friend of mine installed when we rehabbed the room 10 yrs ago.
    One thing I discovered which i like is that you can tighten up the connections on the rca's. That is a nice feature as it makes for a very good connection. I also decided to play around with switching the impedance levels on the IC’s. I heard no audible difference between any of the settings.
    I played the same songs as I did before. Natalie Merchant - Tiger Lily and then some Abbey Road. The sound was great and i felt that the sound was getting to a point where I could be pleased for the rest of my life w/ this system. However, the change between before and after the MIT's was more subtle on this system than it was on my basement system. This surprised me as I thought if the components were better the MIT's would shine more. I am guessing that the basement Klipsch KG 4's really benefited from the MIT speaker cables and IC's. The brightness and harshness was gone and the bass was improved. The music was much more textural and warm. With the MIT's and the Conrad Johnson pre and amp along with the Polk SDA 1C's the warmth was not as evident. The improved bass was also less noticeable. I was actually a little disappointed after the revelation that occurred in the basement..
    I guess the whole reason for this audio experiment is to further the enjoyment of the listening to music. So that is what I have been doing. I have since listened to a lot of different music from solo piano (Isaac Shepard) to Live Grateful Dead to Old Aerosmith to Frank Sinatra along with many other artists and music types. This has truly been an enjoyable experience and I want to thank Jesse and MIT for the opportunity.
    In conclusion I would recommend MIT shotgun S3.3 IC’s and Speaker Interface cables whole heartedly to anyone who loves music and wants to take their system to the next level. Unfortunately for many these cables are cost prohibitive. Will I be going out and buying a set for both my systems? No I wont. Will I be looking for some used deals? Yes I believe so. All in all I can now say that cables DO make a difference, at least MIT’s
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited December 2012
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    Ok, at this point in time I don't have any more folks on the list. Have we reached the end of this demo program?
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 13,104
    edited January 2013
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    I would not mind trying out these cables, but I don't yet meet the first requirement of more than six months of active participation since the end of February would be six months.

    Also I'm not sure that it would even be worthwhile since I only have TSi100 speakers.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited January 2013
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    Does this mean they are for sale? LOL!!!

    LOL, not yet. We have 2 more that want to demo these.
    I would not mind trying out these cables, but I don't yet meet the first requirement of more than six months of active participation since the end of February would be six months.

    Also I'm not sure that it would even be worthwhile since I only have TSi100 speakers.


    PM sent. Of course, it's worthwhile.
  • IRLRaceFan
    IRLRaceFan Posts: 172
    edited January 2013
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Ok, at this point in time I don't have any more folks on the list. Have we reached the end of this demo program?

    I know I haven't been on here for awhile, but I can't believe less than 20 people have jumped on this opportunity...
    HT
    Onkyo TX-NR1008 | Magnepan 1.7 | Polk LSiC | Polk VM20 | Polk DSW microPro 2000 | Parasound HCA-2205A | Oppo BDP-93

    2-Ch
    Cary SLP 30 Tube Preamp | Polk LSi7 | Carver M1.5t | Audio-gd Digital Interface | W4S DAC-2 | MAC Mini | Denon DP300f & Pro-Ject Debut III TT's
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited January 2013
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    IRLRaceFan wrote: »
    I know I haven't been on here for awhile, but I can't believe less than 20 people have jumped on this opportunity...

    I too, thought more would sign up, but what I can't believe is that not one of the cable naysayers has signed up, not one!
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,250
    edited January 2013
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    F1nut wrote: »
    I too, thought more would sign up, but what I can't believe is that not one of the cable naysayers has signed up, not one!

    Of course they haven't. If they did then either of one of two things would happen. They would have to admit they have been wrong, or they would have to say their $599 total system isn't very revealing. :rolleyes:
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited January 2013
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    Of course they haven't. If they did then either of one of two things would happen. They would have to admit they have been wrong, or they would have to say their $599 total system isn't very revealing. :rolleyes:

    :biggrin:
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....


    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
  • Amherst
    Amherst Posts: 695
    edited January 2013
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    The cables have been received from rromeo923. Thank you and good job on the shipping.

    I will spend the next two weeks giving these a nice run through in the rig....should be fun!
    Parasound C1, T3, HCA-3500, HCA-2205A, P/DD1550, Pioneer DV-79avi, Oppo BDP-83, WD Media Server W/HDD,
    Dynaudio Contour 3.3, Dynaudio Contour T2.1, Polk OWM3, Polk DSW micropro 1000 (x2),
    Pioneer Kuro 50" Plasma, Phillips Pronto Control w/Niles HT-MSU.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited January 2013
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    MIT might be swapping the Shotgun cables for a new line of cables soon (less expensive), so if you wanted to get your ears on the Shotgun S3.3's, now would be a good time to sign up.
  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited January 2013
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    Is there a noticeable difference between these and my shotgun s3's?
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited January 2013
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    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Is there a noticeable difference between these and my shotgun s3's?

    I'm not sure which you are referring to. The S3.3's would be about the same as the S2's, so a slight step up. I believe the new line would be more like the AVt line, so the next line down from the Shotgun's.
  • Dabutcher
    Dabutcher Posts: 2,637
    edited January 2013
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    I would be interested in trying out these cables? Is it too late? Thanks. D
    MIT Magnum MH-750, Monster HTS 5100MKII, Sony 77" Class - A80CJ Series - 4K UHD OLED,PS4, Def Tech 15” sub,LSIM 706c, Sunfire Signature Grand 425 x 4,Parasound hca 120, LSiM 702 x 4, Oppo 103D, SDA SRS 1.2, Pioneer Elite SC63 , Pioneer Elite BDP-05 “Why did you get married if you wanted big speakers?”
  • Jason_k
    Jason_k Posts: 110
    edited January 2013
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    I can't see why more people aren't trying this. Especially some of the naysayers, I would love to try it, but don't live in the U.S.