Flag lowered for Whitney

Why would it matter to you, you don't even live there? BTW we all ready have a remembrance for vets it's called veterans day.



REGARDS SNOW

Agree with OP - I don't live there either, but flying flags at half mast is supposed to be for someone who has done something other than sell alot of records and do alot of drugs.

Wait till Snookie dies!

rromeo923 wrote: »

Wait till Snookie dies!

hahaha....ticker tape parade?

drumminman wrote: »

Agree with OP - I don't live there either, but flying flags at half mast is supposed to be for someone who has done something other than sell alot of records and do alot of drugs.

According to who you? You all set hear and preach like you you are all so much better than she was and like she is the only music star that has ever did drugs, what a bunch of hypocrites you all are. If anything you should feel empathy towards a lost soul not anger disgust and hate. She accomplished more in her short 48 years than all of you combined will ever accomplish.

Before you judge someone else walk a mile in their shoes, none of us know that we would have done things differently if faced with the same set of circumstances that she faced, sure she made some bad choices but she is being honored for the positive things she done in her life not the negative.


20 years from her death people will still remember Whitney the same cant be said for any of you.


REGARDS SNOW

I don't really have a big problem with it but I do kinda think its a little off. I mean she was a singer, then turned into a crack head and ruined her voice and died in a bathtub. I don't see celebrating her as a great hero or role model. But that's Hollywood. Michael Jackson liked little boys who also died drugged up but you'd think he cured cancer with all the tributes to him.

I agree that the celebrity worship is getting ridiculous. They're celebrated as heroes even tho they're nothing more than entertainers yet actual heroes go unmentioned.

John Megadeth wrote: »

Jeebus Crisco; was she the godmother to your kid?

She was very talented, and her passing is unfortunate. Celebrity worship, in any form, is unnecessary.

The passing of a Medal of Honor recipient > celebrity.

To answer your first question, the answer would be no. I don't believe that having a day of remembrance in honor of someone's accomplishments is celebrity/hero worship. My hero's on a personal level other than war hero's are people who have made a positive difference in others lives, I don't have any rock star hero's sports hero's or movie star hero's etc.

For example there is an old guy he has to be in his 90's local to me who has spent the last 40 years or so donating his time to virtually every non profit help agency out there, when he isn't volunteering at the crisis line or food bank or some other agency he is out picking up trash along aside the roads trying to keep the community looking good. He is one of my hero's for selflessly giving back.

I just don't see the need for others to put down and belittle others because they made mistakes when in fact most of us have done the same things at one time or another, which is what I see happening here.

Marilyn Monroe is a perfect example of a life gone tragically wrong but most of the same people here trashing Whitney will only have positive things to say about her, a bit hypocritical if you ask me.

REGARDS SNOW

tonyb wrote: »

I don't think anyone is "belittleing" Whitney, she, along with Marilyn, made their own life choices. The problem most have with this is we are putting those life choices up on a pedastal. Possibly laying blame at others feet too. Same arguement over and over. Was it the drugs that killed Whitney, or the abuse of those drugs ? Is it the gun that kills people, or the person who's hand that gun is in ?

The method of which we take our own lives, or others, means little. It is the quality of the character that matters. Something society as a whole has gotten away from laying any sort of importance to.

Exactly! It just seems wrong that somebody that risked their life running into a burning house to save a baby or a Marine that charges a bunker armed only with a pocket knife in order to save a fallen comrade and get virtually no press even though these things happen often. A singer has some hit, turns into a crack head and then OD's in a bathtub and oh the humanity! What a loss. What a hero. What a role model. Nope, just an entertainer that killed herself with drugs.

MacLeod wrote: »

Exactly! It just seems wrong that somebody that risked their life running into a burning house to save a baby or a Marine that charges a bunker armed only with a pocket knife in order to save a fallen comrade and get virtually no press even though these things happen often. A singer has some hit, turns into a crack head and then OD's in a bathtub and oh the humanity! What a loss. What a hero. What a role model. Nope, just an entertainer that killed herself with drugs.

Your looking at this from a different point of view than I am. Whitney nor any other entertainer movie star sports celebrity or political figure is or will ever be my hero. Certainly the choices they make concerning drug use are not something to be applauded, but in my mind should not take away the recognition they deserve for the positive things they may have accomplished.

Jstas wrote: »

Well, NJ does get frequent orders to honor fallen military personnel with flags at half mast. Also, firefighters and cops that have fallen in the line of duty.

But also, Whitney was born August 9, 1963 in Newark, New Jersey. She's also in the NJ Hall of Fame and there's really nothing wrong with honoring someone who achieved the level of success and stardom that she did. Yeah, she screwed up later in life with the drugs and stuff but she was human. We all make mistakes. Some of us just don't get around to fixing them soon enough. That doesn't mean that her life was not worth remembering or celebrating.

Well said John.


REGARDS SNOW

Nothing wrong with respectfully honoring the passing of a human being.
Regardless of past.

*The fight against Apartheid by refusing to model for agencies that did business with South Africa
*Performance at Nelson Mandela?s 70th Birthday Concert in London, which put pressure on the South African Government and led to Nelson Mandela?s release from prison
*The Whitney Houston Foundation for Children, an organization that cared for the homeless and children with cancer and AIDS
*When her version of The Star Spangled Banner topped of the charts in 1991, she donated her royalties to the Red Cross
*Her HBO Concert ?Classic Whitney live from Washington DC? raised over $300,000 for the Children?s Defense Fund

Other Charities Contributions Include ? Caudwell Children, Celebrity Fight Night Foundation, Muhammad Ali Parkinson Center. United Negro College Fund and United Service Organization

And grateful for all of Earth's blessings, the Bodyguard star even donated lion cubs to the Bronx Zoo in same year
Driven to fight homelessness and health issues plaguing young children, she created the Whitney Houston foundation for Children in 1989

Houston's family asked Tuesday that any donations in her memory be sent to the arts-focused public school that she attended as a child and that was named after her in the late 1990s.
whitney-houston-funeral-home.jpgView full sizeRich Schultz, The Associated PressThe body of Whitney Houston arrives at Whigham Funeral Home, in Newark, N.J., on Monday. The 48-year-old pop star was found dead in the bathtub in her hotel room at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Saturday, hours before she was supposed to appear at a pre-Grammy gala.

In lieu of flowers, they said mourners should donate to the Whitney Houston Academy of Creative and Performing Arts in East Orange, a school serving students in kindergarten through eighth grade.

snow wrote: »

To answer your first question, the answer would be no. I don't believe that having a day of remembrance in honor of someone's accomplishments is celebrity/hero worship. My hero's on a personal level other than war hero's are people who have made a positive difference in others lives, I don't have any rock star hero's sports hero's or movie star hero's etc.

For example there is an old guy he has to be in his 90's local to me who has spent the last 40 years or so donating his time to virtually every non profit help agency out there, when he isn't volunteering at the crisis line or food bank or some other agency he is out picking up trash along aside the roads trying to keep the community looking good. He is one of my hero's for selflessly giving back.

I just don't see the need for others to put down and belittle others because they made mistakes when in fact most of us have done the same things at one time or another, which is what I see happening here.

Marilyn Monroe is a perfect example of a life gone tragically wrong but most of the same people here trashing Whitney will only have positive things to say about her, a bit hypocritical if you ask me.

REGARDS SNOW

Think about it. The person you admire in this post was nothing like Whitney Houston. They went about their business trying to make the world a better place and never asked for recognition or sought fame.

I have 2 kids. I would never want them to think Whitney Houston was any kind of a role model. More of a cautionary tale about how not to throw away your life and potential, however modest or great.

It does point to how twisted our society can be when we admire someone for how pretty or handsome they are, how rich they are, how famous they are etc.

And does my opinion not count because I am not famous like Whitney Houston (was), and will likely be forgotten in 48 years?

If you had a flagpole in your front yard, would you really be flying it at half mast this week for Whitney Houston?

She was a source of pride for NJ, I don't see anything wrong with honoring her in that way.

tonyb wrote: »

I don't think anyone has a problem with that Steve, every state has famous people home grown that they would honor should they pass. It's the lack of honor to others more deserving that grabs people's gonads. Whitney, Michael Jackson, congressmen and women, CEO of Apple, what makes their life worth anymore than mine, yours, or someone else ?

Does the honor guard still fly a flag at half mast over the US Capitol if a family member requests their member of Congress to do so for any U.S. citizen? I seem to remember a program that did that.

I guess since I'am not a NJ resident it dont bother me, I wonder if Jon Bon Jovi is going to get one lowered at half mast when he goes? Better yet the cast of Jersey Shores then I guess I would start to wonder.