MIT Shotgun S3.3 Cable Demo/Review Round 4
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The MIT cable demo/review is back for Round 4, this time with the Shotgun S3.3's!!!
These cables are replacing the CVT1's from Rounds 2 & 3. This demo consists of a 10' pair of speaker cables (1 set, single run) and two pairs of 1 meter locking RCA interconnects (2 sets). The MSRP on these cables is about $3300.00. This is a great way to try out high end cables for very little money.
This round will start off where Round 3 ended. I have removed a few names as they are no longer active members or have requested to be removed. If you want to be on the list, have read, understand and meet the requirements contact me via email or PM. If you want off the list, please notify me. This round will be restricted to the 48 continuous as shipping over the border is costly (fees and duties) and therefore is not fair to the person shipping.
REQUIREMENTS:
-More than six months in Club Polk of ACTIVE and PRODUCTIVE participation.
-Positive Feedback in our Flea Market. (Since the feedback system is not working, I will consider waiving this requirement on a case by case bias)
-You will provide to me via email or PM your full name, home address, email address and 2 phone numbers before you can participate. Failure to provide that info will result in you being removed from the list.
-You'll have to pay for shipping (and packaging if needed) when you send them to the next in line. They can only be shipped via UPS or FedEx with tracking, signature required and insured for $1650.00. Please be aware that the shipping cost may be more than you realize. If you can't handle that, don't sign up.
-If there is any damage or the cables are lost, the sender will need to file and follow up the claim with the carrier.
HOW IT WORKS:
-Each demo will last no more than 2 weeks. That is plenty of time to demo these and will allow more people to get their ears on them in a shorter time frame.
-Highlighted name on the list means the cables are in your possession.
-I will provide to each sender the shipping info for the next person in line via the email address you provide. Make sure they are accurate.
-The sender will provide to me via email or PM the tracking info when you ship.
-The receiver will notify me via email or PM when the cables arrive. Your 2 week demo time starts then.
-I don't want to hear any excuses about delays in shipping. In fact, I don't care if you are dead, just ship them. I hope that is clear enough.
-Once you are done, YOU MUST POST A REVIEW IN THIS THREAD WITHIN ONE WEEK, outlining your experience/thoughts of how the cables sound, be it better or not than what you compared them with. It doesn't have to be a professional review, just write something. A list of associated gear would be nice. Failure to post a review will result in the closure of the demo program. Believe it when I say, you do not want that on your shoulders.
-The cables will be sent back to MIT once the demo is finished. This could be once there's no more people on the list or at any time MIT decides they want them back. MIT may want to swap these cables out with another model at some point. If that happens, the next person on the list will get extra demo time to allow for burn in.
-These are not your cables, so treat them with respect. Do not apply any kind of air freshener, funk juice, etc. to the cables and this is very important, do not attempt to open the network boxes.
Enjoy!!!
Here's the demo participant's list:
These cables are replacing the CVT1's from Rounds 2 & 3. This demo consists of a 10' pair of speaker cables (1 set, single run) and two pairs of 1 meter locking RCA interconnects (2 sets). The MSRP on these cables is about $3300.00. This is a great way to try out high end cables for very little money.
This round will start off where Round 3 ended. I have removed a few names as they are no longer active members or have requested to be removed. If you want to be on the list, have read, understand and meet the requirements contact me via email or PM. If you want off the list, please notify me. This round will be restricted to the 48 continuous as shipping over the border is costly (fees and duties) and therefore is not fair to the person shipping.
REQUIREMENTS:
-More than six months in Club Polk of ACTIVE and PRODUCTIVE participation.
-Positive Feedback in our Flea Market. (Since the feedback system is not working, I will consider waiving this requirement on a case by case bias)
-You will provide to me via email or PM your full name, home address, email address and 2 phone numbers before you can participate. Failure to provide that info will result in you being removed from the list.
-You'll have to pay for shipping (and packaging if needed) when you send them to the next in line. They can only be shipped via UPS or FedEx with tracking, signature required and insured for $1650.00. Please be aware that the shipping cost may be more than you realize. If you can't handle that, don't sign up.
-If there is any damage or the cables are lost, the sender will need to file and follow up the claim with the carrier.
HOW IT WORKS:
-Each demo will last no more than 2 weeks. That is plenty of time to demo these and will allow more people to get their ears on them in a shorter time frame.
-Highlighted name on the list means the cables are in your possession.
-I will provide to each sender the shipping info for the next person in line via the email address you provide. Make sure they are accurate.
-The sender will provide to me via email or PM the tracking info when you ship.
-The receiver will notify me via email or PM when the cables arrive. Your 2 week demo time starts then.
-I don't want to hear any excuses about delays in shipping. In fact, I don't care if you are dead, just ship them. I hope that is clear enough.
-Once you are done, YOU MUST POST A REVIEW IN THIS THREAD WITHIN ONE WEEK, outlining your experience/thoughts of how the cables sound, be it better or not than what you compared them with. It doesn't have to be a professional review, just write something. A list of associated gear would be nice. Failure to post a review will result in the closure of the demo program. Believe it when I say, you do not want that on your shoulders.
-The cables will be sent back to MIT once the demo is finished. This could be once there's no more people on the list or at any time MIT decides they want them back. MIT may want to swap these cables out with another model at some point. If that happens, the next person on the list will get extra demo time to allow for burn in.
-These are not your cables, so treat them with respect. Do not apply any kind of air freshener, funk juice, etc. to the cables and this is very important, do not attempt to open the network boxes.
Enjoy!!!
Here's the demo participant's list:
Comments
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Woot! Thanks again MIT. Super hyped to try the shotguns!"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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Man, that is awesome!:eek:
I am scared EndersShadow will sell his car and pawn his dogs to buy some though.
Worried, very worried.:cheesygrin:
JK Dan!
Waaaaaay out of my price range but that is an AWESOME demo!
Looking forward to reading some reviews.Testing
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Hehe IndyHawg when I get em your welcome to hear em on my rig. I will prob do the same when you have them on your fortes and tubes
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
If you haven't heard these GET ON THE LIST!
Badass cables!!!Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
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Man, that is awesome!:eek:
I am scared EndersShadow will sell his car and pawn his dogs to buy some though.
Worried, very worried.:cheesygrin:
JK Dan!
Waaaaaay out of my price range but that is an AWESOME demo!
Looking forward to reading some some reviews.
Nah it's gonna help me figure out if I stay with audio quest or go MIT in my office rig. My HT setup iss about done with cables except for some power cables"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Great program sponsored by MIT & Polk. Now's your chance to hear them for yourself. The price of shipping is a small price to pay. You really don't see this type of program on other forums. Nice job fellows!!
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Which AudioQuest??
Right now I have 12 ft CV-4 38dbs speaker cables. Analog 2 Signal Cables. I have MITs EXp1 ICs in right now. I have g-snakes but don't have them in right now. I would be going with some of audioquests DBS series interconnects."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
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It would be nice if some of the nay-sayers would try these, list the gear they used, list the cables they replaced, and tell us there is no difference.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Nice!! I'm looking forward to you getting your hands on these for an A/B test and posting your thoughts..
Yup, been trying to build up my time with the MIT and Audioquest setup now so I am familiar with its sound. I do need to finish my custom jumpers though so I can get it setup right.
Right now I have 1 channel (my high's) on the CV-4 and another channel (my lows) on the Audioquest FLX 14/4.
I need to get spades for the CV-4's so I can use the CV-4 to the high's and use the FLX 14/4 jumpers for the lows
F1 any word on if these will ship with different iconn adapters (banana, spade, etc)?"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
It would be nice if some of the nay-sayers would try these, list the gear they used, list the cables they replaced, and tell us there is no difference.It will never happen, they still think Charles Manson is Jesus...
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I'd like to get in on these please sir.JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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Enjoy the demo fellas. I won't and can't take part (obviously). Hope to see some positive reviews.
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WOW, couldn't be happier that my name carried over from the last demo period! It's going to be great trying these opposed to my terminator 2's.
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grimmace19 wrote: »WOW, couldn't be happier that my name carried over from the last demo period! It's going to be great trying these opposed to my terminator 2's.
Expect to **** your flat hat. I recently moved from T2's to Shotun S3's and the difference is not subtle.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
edited.......forgot this is the cable demo thread :redface:
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
Actually Brock, your last post (now edited) was right on the money. MIT's, like any of the better brands, work much better when the entire rig is running the same cables. That's why the demo includes 2 sets of RCA's with the speaker cables.
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I forgot to mention the colors....see all the pretty colors.....yeah, they mean something.
Yellow - that person has the cables.
Green - those folks are green with envy. Not to worry though, you will turn yellow soon.
Blue - those folks are done with the cables and now have the blues, which can only be cured by purchasing a set of MIT cables.
Red - you don't want to see this color, so post your review within one week! -
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If you have not listened to these cables yet and qualify for this demo GET ON THE LIST! These cables were impressive in what they brought to my system. They will demonstrate what changing cables will do for your system even if you do not necessarily believe it is what you want at this time. There is no denying there will be a change. Any cable naysayer will be hard pressed to go through this demo and not have to eat a little crow.integrated w/DAC module Gryphon Diablo 300
server Wolf Alpha 3SX
phono pre Dynamic Sounds Associates Phono II
turntable/tonearms Origin Live Sovereign Mk3 dual arm, Origin Live Enterprise Mk4, Origin Live Illustrious Mk3c
cartridges Miyajima Madake, Ortofon Windfeld Ti, Ortofon
speakers Rockport Mira II
cables Synergistic Research Cables, Gryphon VPI XLR, Sablon 2020 USB
rack Adona Eris 6dw
ultrasonic cleaner Degritter -
Update:
Ok, we're off and running again. Blueboxer has the cables and will get an extra week to allow the cables to fully burn in before his official demo time begins. He should ship on or about 3/22/12 to the next person. -
Blueboxer has the cables and will get an extra week to allow the cables to fully burn in before his official demo time begins.
If he tests with his iPod and Wadia 170 iTransport I sold him we should get a great review.
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Jesse,
I did get the update and alternate address. I apologize for the delay in responding, but this is for first coherent moment in a couple days. I couldn't even be released until I took IV fluids to rehydrate myself. I should be out of bed late tomorrow or hopefully Thursday at the latest.
Sonny
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Cleaned out. :redface:
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If you have not listened to these cables yet and qualify for this demo GET ON THE LIST! These cables were impressive in what they brought to my system. They will demonstrate what changing cables will do for your system even if you do not necessarily believe it is what you want at this time. There is no denying there will be a change. Any cable naysayer will be hard pressed to go through this demo and not have to eat a little crow.
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First, let me apologize for using a fairly modest system to test out these cables, which may be disproportionately expensive for the system I am currently running. I tried to get a Wyred4Sound DAC and STI1000 in time for the review, but that did not work out. However, I think the DAC, preamp, and speakers involved are sufficient to be able to hear a difference if one is indeed present when switching cables. Secondly, I will admit to leaning slightly to the naysayers of speaker cable philosophy in the sense that thru the assorted cables I have used historically, I don’t recall ever having a watershed moment or miraculous breakthrough in performance. However, an opportunity to try some very highly regarded and fairly expensive cables via this demo could not and should not be passed. Thus, here we go…
Equipment:
iNova integrated (Sabre DAC, ipod dock, tube preamp, and stereo amp)
Pioneer Elite SC-35 (used with Wadia dock as well as ipod directly connected)
Polk LSi15
Def Tech Mythos ST
Wadia i170 transport (used with Pioneer Elite SC-35 only)
Listening Room:
20x20 room
Speakers were approximately 8 ft apart, 3 ft from wall
Listening position was approximately 6 ft. from speakers
Speaker Cables Used in Demo:
Monster XP cable with monster nanners.
MIT EXP1 cables with MIT nanners.
MIT Shotgun S3.3 with MIT nanners.
Again, not the most impressive system, but I really am looking for a simplified system after dealing with components in the past and all the various interconnects that go along with it. It was a battle of finding the perfect combinations and resisting the urge to try another one of the myriad combinations of cables and components. I have thoroughly enjoyed the lack of a need to store and fumble with CD’s and everything else and after the Wyred4Sound upgrade I will probably call it fin. Apologize for that tangent.
My listening material was a playlist of some of my favorite songs as well as those that I always enjoy listening for that extra detail, decay, or emotion that another piece of the puzzle may add. The list is as follows:
John Mayer- Gravity
Anouk- Lost
Aaron Robinson- The Elephant
Warren Zevon- Keep Me in Your Heart
Adele- Don’t You Remember
And then a few hours of mixes of Jack Johnson, B.O.B., Morgan Paige, etc… for non-critical listening.
Methodology:
I spent the first week of casual listening to help burn in the relatively new cables. Never really looking or taking notes. After the first week I would spend about 45 min. listening to each of the above referenced cables and then switching to another cable. At this point I was listening for subtle differences and preferences, which there definitely were. I took turns listening to the cables via the iNova and also the wadia and SC-35. On the last weekend I set aside time with the better half to really just sit down and listen to only the playlist as it ran thru one set of speaker cables at a time, and then did so again and again to really ensure that there was consistency in my thoughts and preferences. This process was completed for both sets of speakers listed above, but in the end I elected to spend all this listening time on the iNova.
Results:
In order of performance and preference:
1. S3.3
2. EXP
3. Monster
S3.3 Pros-
Build quality is substantial
Nanners and all connections yield solid hookups
Sound is very detailed, with great separation of vocals and instruments
Bass is solid and there was a reduction in the boominess (especially with the LSi15’s)
The sound was neutral to me, which is a good thing IMO
S3.3 Negatives-
Cost for some
The cables are substantial so tight fits and angles could be an issue for some
They will make you doubt your current cables
Conclusion:
The Shotgun S3.3 were consistently my favorite cable, by a great difference in reference to the monster cables and less so with the other MIT cables. Returning to the monster cables always seemed to produce a veiled or muffled sound, however a couple friends who were present during the time actually preferred this sound and thought the bass seemed louder (to me it was boomier). Going to the MIT cables always seemed to produce more separation and detail with the S3.3 adding that extra level of rightness. Interestingly, the improvements seemed to be more marked and obvious with the Polks than with the Def Techs. I was actually hoping the S3.3 would add a touch of warmth to the Mythos, but I didn’t detect any.
However, the MIT’s definitely improved the overall presentation of all of the music and songs. Was the improvement proportional to the cost difference? No, but there is always the law of diminishing return, and it definitely plays a part in this example as well. Would I recommend spending the difference? Absolutely, so long as your finances permit it, I would purchase a pair or at least a used pair. Could you live with a lower line of MIT’s such as the EXP lineup or perhaps an equal Audioquest, Cardas, etc. offering? Again, my answer would be absolutely, but we could also all live with driving a Honda Civic as well.
I know that this doesn’t necessarily offer any clear conclusion, but most things in life aren’t. I will say that I am no longer a naysayer of cables, but still conscious of the law of diminishing return that would have to be associated with them. That rate of diminishment would also probably defer and not be as steep with a system that was more proportional to these cables. Personally, I will be looking on for a pair of these cables to keep as my own. Could I live without them? Yes, but why should anyone live without something that they enjoy and find worthwhile. -
I would like to have a crack at these. Powers that be let me know what I need to do.
Thanks!I got static in my head
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