Pioneer elite making a huge comeback!!!!
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Just about anything sold today will be leaps and bounds above a RPTV made in 2004."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Just about anything sold today will be leaps and bounds above a RPTV made in 2004.
For the higher end gear, it might be little better, but not $6k better. The big selling point of TVs today is not picture quality, but thinness. The average consumer only wants a thin TV.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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The average consumer only wants a thin TV.
I don't think thats true at all With the average consumer upgrading to blu-ray as well as 3DTV. I say the average consumer is looking for the best picture within their budget.
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The big selling point of TVs today is not picture quality, but thinness. The average consumer only wants a thin TV.
Thinness may be a talking point. It would be a more accurate statement to say that consumers want to hang it on their wall, once that is accomplished, then thinness is a feature just like anything else. If there is no benefit to it, and I feel that picture quality has been compromised to achieve it, I could care less as a consumer. I think most feel the same way.
Now... if I can put it on my wall like wallpaper and it works really well, THAT would be COOL!The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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The big selling point of TVs today is not picture quality, but thinness. The average consumer only wants a thin TV.
Maybe...if only women were buying tv's. I would say to the average male, PQ is of top priority. You could make thin 720p sets all day long for cheap, problem is people want 1080p, better picture quality maybe.HT SYSTEM-
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My personal opinion on this matter is this, TV's suck today , all of them. I don't personally like anything. Since Kuro went out a few years back, I have not been impressed with a Tv. I certainly would not buy one of Todays models from anyone. I have looked and looked model after model and have found so many flaws with all of them.
Yes ,some are very nice , the prices of todays Tv's are pretty attractive but nothing stands out of the crowd like Pioneer did.
I'm excited and nervous to see whats coming.Dan
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Very well said however, nothing would justify the proposed price tags, call it high end if you wish, nothing justifies paying that much for a TV when you consider the manufacturing costs of todays technologies (especially if it is a rebadge former technology with improvements thus eliminating the high cost of R&D involved in newer technology). You can get a lot of a quality and efficient projector for this kind of money!My personal opinion on this matter is this, TV's suck today , all of them. I don't personally like anything. Since Kuro went out a few years back, I have not been impressed with a Tv. I certainly would not buy one of Todays models from anyone. I have looked and looked model after model and have found so many flaws with all of them.
Yes ,some are very nice , the prices of todays Tv's are pretty attractive but nothing stands out of the crowd like Pioneer did.
I'm excited and nervous to see whats coming.DARE TO SOAR:
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Welcome forum members,
I got the word that the Pioneer Elite brand is back making Tv's. The new models are going to be 60 and 70 inch. retail is suppose to be around 8 for the 60 and 13 for the 70.
We can all rally with the greatest TV company making this huge comeback. The world has been broken for long enough. It's time for comebacks. This looks to be a great one.
So when I get more Info I will post it here. the only thing else I know is that they will no longer be black but now sport a Metallic gun barrel type gray metal trim. I'm curious to see how this looks. All the new receivers are not black anymore , kinda but no piano gloss like days past.
I'm effin juiced.
Awesome I was bummed when I heard they bailed the old black laquor 45-70" was by far the best at the time , I am sure it looks better than a lot of the newer stuff out except hi-def .. -
Maybe...if only women were buying tv's. I would say to the average male, PQ is of top priority. You could make thin 720p sets all day long for cheap, problem is people want 1080p, better picture quality maybe.
I have install many many tv's over the years and Price is what matters to the average male not PQ. Walmart sells a ton of TV's not because they have top TV's with the best PQ but because they sell cheaper tv's!
I laugh when I go into best buy and see guys looking at insignia tv's because of the price and buy them.
The average male wants the best bang for his buck while PQ is really not that important. I know a lot of people that have nice tv's but still hooked up with composite cables saying they don't really care about the PQ since it looks good enough to them.
720P sets sell well because most of the average males out here think the PQ looks good enough!
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I have install many many tv's over the years and Price is what matters to the average male not PQ. Walmart sells a ton of TV's not because they have top TV's with the best PQ but because they sell cheaper tv's!
I agree. If the average person, male or female cared at all about quality, why is it the TV's I see in most homes are all at the default settings. Over saturated, too bright, unnatural skin tones, etc. They don't even try and get a better picture with what they have.
And then they will be watching a channel in standard def, when they also receive the channel in hi-def. They don't even know it. -
And then they will be watching a channel in standard def, when they also receive the channel in hi-def. They don't even know it.
My wife does that and pisses me off when she does.
I can agree to some of this because like the rest of you, I have seen the same thing in other homes. TV's not adjusted and such. But you talk to any male, PQ IS important, most are just too lazy to calibrate one. They read a box, 1080p-3d- greatest picture in the world-blah,blah....bring it home and plug it in thinking it's set to go out of the box. Then something happens, right around football season, all of a sudden PQ matters. Then they scramble to adjust the TV or head out to get a new one.
Don't know about everyones neck of the woods, but in mine, PQ is primo above all else. Walmart sells cheap tv's to the masses and given the state of the economy, I can see it doing well. When the economy kicks in again is when higher end electronics will take off...again. This is not a good time to introduce high end tv's imho.HT SYSTEM-
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I agree. If the average person, male or female cared at all about quality, why is it the TV's I see in most homes are all at the default settings. Over saturated, too bright, unnatural skin tones, etc. They don't even try and get a better picture with what they have.
And then they will be watching a channel in standard def, when they also receive the channel in hi-def. They don't even know it.
I hear ya and it drives me crazy! People do not care about PQ, they just care about having a thin 50" tv hanging on their wall for the cool factor. Unless it's people like us which makes up about 1% of people that want the best PQ out there.(3) PS3's, Xbox 360, (2) Wii's and Nintendo NES
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My wife does that and pisses me off when she does.
I can agree to some of this because like the rest of you, I have seen the same thing in other homes. TV's not adjusted and such. But you talk to any male, PQ IS important, most are just too lazy to calibrate one. They read a box, 1080p-3d- greatest picture in the world-blah,blah....bring it home and plug it in thinking it's set to go out of the box. Then something happens, right around football season, all of a sudden PQ matters. Then they scramble to adjust the TV or head out to get a new one.
Don't know about everyones neck of the woods, but in mine, PQ is primo above all else. Walmart sells cheap tv's to the masses and given the state of the economy, I can see it doing well. When the economy kicks in again is when higher end electronics will take off...again. This is not a good time to introduce high end tv's imho.
LOL, my wife use to be like that but now she hates watching anything in SD compared to HD so I am lucky now!
I think even when the economy gets better people will not be willing to spend $3K on a TV when the $800 - $900 looks good enough to them IMHO! Heck most think the $500 TV looks as good as the $2K TV's now... LOL!(3) PS3's, Xbox 360, (2) Wii's and Nintendo NES
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Hey, my 65" Panasonic TC-P65VT30 plasma only costs $3,500 :biggrin:
But the MRSP as in the Panasonic website is 4299.95 , this dosen`t means that down the road The Elite will also come down . -
But the MRSP as in the Panasonic website is 4299.95 , this dosen`t means that down the road The Elite will also come down .
Who pays MSRP anyway? Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
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Walmart sells cheap tv's to the masses and given the state of the economy, I can see it doing well. When the economy kicks in again is when higher end electronics will take off...again. This is not a good time to introduce high end tv's imho.
With so many "average" people out of work, under water on their houses, and cutting back, could be that the high end is the only growth segment left in this sorry economy. I still think $6000+ is very pricey, but it could be that with declining sales and shrinking profit margins, Sharp decided they might go for the few people who still have money to burn... -
Ever have to deal with Sharp warranty support? Or try to get parts from them? I wouldn't buy anything they manufacture again.
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My personal opinion on this matter is this, TV's suck today , all of them. I don't personally like anything. Since Kuro went out a few years back, I have not been impressed with a Tv. I certainly would not buy one of Todays models from anyone. I have looked and looked model after model and have found so many flaws with all of them.
Yes ,some are very nice , the prices of todays Tv's are pretty attractive but nothing stands out of the crowd like Pioneer did.
I'm excited and nervous to see whats coming.
Why are you excited ?
Will you be spending 8k ?
Nothing wrong with tv's today and you seem to criticize them all as not being good enough .Whats so great about the tv you have then that makes you stick with it :rolleyes: -
Just a tad cheaper than 8K but they will be shipping the 22nd of this month. VE has them on the way.
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What Mantis meant to say is they were making a huge comeback in his store.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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polkfarmboy wrote: »Why are you excited ?
Will you be spending 8k ?
Nothing wrong with tv's today and you seem to criticize them all as not being good enough .Whats so great about the tv you have then that makes you stick with it :rolleyes:
I'm excited because Kuro Tv's are still by far the best Tv's off or on the market today. I'm a ISF calibrator and I know what new Tv's can and can't do. Pioneer Elite Kuro Tv's come close to perfect then anything else ever made that I have Calibrated. I have yet to see a LCD , LED type Tv even come close to perfect. They always have a color push of some sorts. Usually Blue or Red. Panasonic Professional series are every nice after calibration and come close to Elite.
I will not be spending 8k on a new Tv . I'm sure I can get a better deal that that. Also these new Tv's are not Plasma , they are LED from what I was told. I'm nervous about that but if anyone can perfect a technology , Pioneer can. We shall see.
What's so great about my current Tv? I own a 50 inch Fujitsu and it's only 720p/1080i. It has remarkable video quality and I love it. Before that I had a Sony 46 inch Rear Projection Tv that also had very good video quality. And if Retail price is what you wanna know well it was 10,999.99.
Trust me I have been wanting a new Tv for some time. I want bigger like 54 to 70 inches. I have strongly looked and considered LG and Panasonic plus really like the Samsung Plasma's ( when they are not broken). I have seen the highest failure rate in Tv's the last 2 years then the last 15. Being an Installer I get to Install Tv's just about every working day. So I get to see real world performance in every single room type.
Here's a pic of my current setup.
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Here's some better quality pic's
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Dan,
What do recommend someone buy for TV calibration; I am assuming some type of software package. My PJ has over 200 hrs. on it and probably needs a correct calibration....thanks, -
Video Essentials is a good home calibration disc. AVIA also makes a good one. It's the cheapest most effective way to calibrate your tv yourself. Or you can spend the money on a ISF calibrator and get it done professionally. It's worth it if you have good money invested in your theater system.Dan
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That's a great looking television.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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Also these new Tv's are not Plasma , they are LED from what I was told. I'm nervous about that but if anyone can perfect a technology , Pioneer can. We shall see.
You keep ignoring that these are not Pioneer TV's. They're Sharp, finally using led backlit technology. Something other manufacturers have been doing for a few years now. -
I'm excited because Kuro Tv's are still by far the best Tv's off or on the market today.
Very surprised you didn't pick up a Kuro when Pioneer discontinued them. The 60" was going for less than $5000 brand new even at the local shops if you could find one. As in the know and connected as you are, I would have thought you'd jump all over one as the price came down. Especially as excited as you are for the "$8000" ones that may or may not exceed the quality of the original Kuros.
