Pioneer elite making a huge comeback!!!!

mantis
mantis Posts: 17,232
edited August 2011 in Electronics
Welcome forum members,
I got the word that the Pioneer Elite brand is back making Tv's. The new models are going to be 60 and 70 inch. retail is suppose to be around 8 for the 60 and 13 for the 70.

We can all rally with the greatest TV company making this huge comeback. The world has been broken for long enough. It's time for comebacks. This looks to be a great one.

So when I get more Info I will post it here. the only thing else I know is that they will no longer be black but now sport a Metallic gun barrel type gray metal trim. I'm curious to see how this looks. All the new receivers are not black anymore , kinda but no piano gloss like days past.
I'm effin juiced.
Dan
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,466
    edited August 2011
    $800-$1300??? or $8000-$13000??


    LOL!!!
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,232
    edited August 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    $800-$1300??? or $8000-$13000??


    LOL!!!

    It's pioneer Elite I just assumed everyone would understand GRAND!!!!

    8 GRAND AND 13 GRAND LOL
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited August 2011
    mantis wrote: »
    It's pioneer Elite I just assumed everyone would understand GRAND!!!!

    8 GRAND AND 13 GRAND LOL

    I guess my world will stay broken!:biggrin:
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited August 2011
    What technology?
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,232
    edited August 2011
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    What technology?

    Rumor has it at LED but no one knows for sure. News should be here Friday with some tech specs.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,788
    edited August 2011
    There were several announcements about this back in January. Claim that they will just be re-branded Sharp LCD's.

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/27/pioneer-elite-hdtvs-to-ride-again-in-2011-as-rebranded-sharp/

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/Pioneer-Elite-Gets-New-High-End-TVs

    Seems likely, since their Blu ray players are also just re-branded Sharp players now.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited August 2011
    At that price I would go with a front projector that would kill a 60/70" plasma. Heck even the Pioneer Kuro projector is cheaper than that and throws an awesome picture on a 90-100" screen.
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited August 2011
    Ouch, I hope Pioneer is going to be the maker and not some other company using the Pioneer Elite name.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,466
    edited August 2011
    So it's like the Hemi motor? Slap the name on it and sell it with really nothing behind it??


    LOL!!
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2011
    Yeah, this information has been all over the overseas websites since the end of last year.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2011
    Sherardp wrote: »
    At that price I would go with a front projector that would kill a 60/70" plasma. Heck even the Pioneer Kuro projector is cheaper than that and throws an awesome picture on a 90-100" screen.
    Yep, +1!
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,232
    edited August 2011
    We can all assume or speculate but when they come out , we shall see.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,788
    edited August 2011
    mantis wrote: »
    We can all assume or speculate but when they come out , we shall see.

    I don't think it's speculation at all:

    http://www.sharpusa.com/AboutSharp/NewsAndEvents/PressReleases/2011/January/2011_01_27_ELITE.aspx

    Either way, if they are really going to be $8K to $13K, they won't be around long. They couldn't compete the first time around due to the high prices.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,554
    edited August 2011
    At 8k plus in this economy, sadly their return will be very short lived...
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  • TouchOfEvil
    TouchOfEvil Posts: 967
    edited August 2011
    Yeah at 8k no way i'd be getting a 60" screen. It might be a awesome picture but i'd be going projector personally.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,077
    edited August 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    At 8k plus in this economy, sadly their return will be very short lived...

    Agreed....plus if they continue with slapping the elite brand on others products, brand loyalty is going to go adios. You would think that they could make some trickle down tech from the Kuro line into more affordable 40-50 inchers for the masses. Pioneer has done a great job building a reputation for the Elite brand, hate to see them toss it out the window.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,249
    edited August 2011
    Big deal.........greatest TV company :rolleyes: Rally? :rolleyes: $8-13K :rolleyes:

    Good luck with that in this economy and the world certainly isn;t going to be "fixed" because Pioneer is making TV's again.

    They had some nice sets that the market decided were overpriced, so they stopped making them, no big news there.

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  • jon s
    jon s Posts: 905
    edited August 2011
    Pioneer Elite is not the same Pioneer as before. They will be Sharp TVs using the Elite name. Pioneer sold it's Plasma technology to Panasonic when it folded (the reason why Panasonic do not match the the Pioneers is that the Pioneer technology is too expensive for Panasonic's mass market model)

    The new TVs are all rebadged TVs by Sharp using LED LCD technology, not the great plasmas of past.

    Click here for more...
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,077
    edited August 2011
    Just seems silly to me once you set the bar so high with the Kuro line, to go back and re badge a Sharp is like taking 4 steps back in my book. The wonderful marketing guru's are counting on the Elite brand reputation to sell TV's that will be nowhere up to snuff of the former elite series. Thus they will do more damage to the brand for future products released, opening the door to the competition. Best to just stay out of the game if your not going to put forth a product worthy of the Elite name. You kinda see the same mentality in their elite receivers.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,249
    edited August 2011
    Tony,

    Elite is simply a badge anymore. The Elite line is so watered down these days, it's simply a marketing buzz word. I used to sell Elite gear back in the late 80's......then it was a step up from the then current Pioneer offerings. But to be brutally honest, it still wasn't that great of a line of audio gear.

    H9
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  • cheddar
    cheddar Posts: 2,390
    edited August 2011
    The original Kuro plasmas still seem to compare well with the latest and greatest. A great line that just couldn't find a large enough market at their price point.

    Still waiting to hear what justifies $8000 for a 60". Solid Gold Elite nameplate? 4D smell-o vision? Just rolling back your prices to the "bad old days" of flat panels when they cost as much as a small car and stamping Elite on them doesn't seem like a smart business model.
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited August 2011
    +1 on what nooshinjohn mentioned, in today's economy, this high priced tv won't make it.
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  • Almadacr
    Almadacr Posts: 185
    edited August 2011
    Guys the prices are 6000$ for the 60" and 8500$ for the 70" . , Someone that review the set`s last week before the today official announcement said that :

    Quote:


    Just got back from Sharp USA headquarters and I have been asked to keep most of the information they shared with me confidential, but I can share somethings.

    First, and most importantly, is the pq is outstanding. Second, is that nothing in this technology is in any way similar to any Sharp model. Just to tell you two very basic, but important features of the Elite series is that they are the only Sharp manufactured TVs that are back-lit and further the built-in video processor and contrast enhancement circuitry are also exclusive to the Elite series.

    I could not stop my face from smiling when I saw the familiar Elite gold embossed logo on the center of the bottom bezel, it really looks cool. Speaking of the bezel, it's a black anodized brushed aluminum slim bezel that looks very professional.

    They had it in their theater demo room sitting on a table next to an Elite Signature Series 141FD. Both panels were just calibrated by Kevin Miller when he visited Sharp last week to do his evaluation. With the room lights on the new Elite kicked ****, when the room was totally dark the new Elite still looked better, but the new Elite's improved pq was not as dramatic as it is with the room lights on.

    More good news is that this panel exhibits very little blooming when a bright object moves across the black screen, which is due to the very small local dimming zones, they populated the full array back-lit LED with more zones than any other back-lit LED (sorry I can't disclose how many zones they put into this gorgeous panel, but I will disclose this and more at our shoot-out.) Also the blooming is hard to see as it not a bright glow around the objects, somehow they were able to greatly reduce the blooming anomaly.

    I also can't announce the retail, but it another good surprise, the 60" and 70" are priced very well to appeal to a big segment of the high-end market and this TV is very well positioned for enthusiasts.


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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited August 2011
    Still, who has $6000 to $8000 to spend on a tv set in today's economy? Is anybody paying attention to the stock market lately?
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited August 2011
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    Still, who has $6000 to $8000 to spend on a tv set in today's economy?

    This ain't your average Best Buy customer here. :tongue:

    to me its a lot like Runco displays. Very high price and there are people that buy them but just not a ton of them.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,077
    edited August 2011
    So then it's not just a re badged unit if pioneer is implementing some of their own tech. They are pretty much using a standard unit and making it better, kinda like a modded piece of gear.
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,788
    edited August 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    So then it's not just a re badged unit if pioneer is implementing some of their own tech. They are pretty much using a standard unit and making it better, kinda like a modded piece of gear.

    Where did it say it had any Pioneer technology in it? It was at Sharp headquarters, and Sharp now owns the license for Elite branded TV's, so it's a Sharp Elite. Don't see how that's a comeback for Pioneer at all, except for receiving licensing fees.
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited August 2011
    So 8-13K for an Elite branded Sharp TV that Pioneer gets a piece of the profit from.

    Where do I sign up?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    At 8k plus in this economy, sadly their return will be very short lived...

    You never know: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/life-fast-lane-ferrari-sales-surge-u-155253417.html
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2011
    So, let's see what actually goes on sale, and then see if it makes sense. Personally, I paid $1700 for a new Hitachi 57" RPTV in 2004. I had the Hitachi calibrated so I seriously doubt if the new 60" $8k LED Elite will be $6K better. Maybe $2K better, tops.

    Then again, maybe the Elite comes with a 1 year subscription to Netflix streaming. Now that is a bargain. :rolleyes:
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