Bob Carver raises the bar

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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited May 2011
    engtaz wrote: »
    Who ever said tubes don't have bass have not listened to these yet.

    I've never heard anyone, or read anyone, say that tube amps don't have bass. The comments I heard and read were from individuals who said that the tube amps they auditioned didn't have as tight, articulate and well defined bass compared to solid state amps of the same design quality and build quality.

    The same thing is said of differences in bass performance between MOSFET and BJT transistors, with BJT's having more slam, articulation, tightness and definition and MOSFET's being more "tubelike".
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,932
    edited May 2011
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    I think I saw a set of Silver 7's on Audiogon here this week...

    Going for like 1500 or so

    Those are the 7t's that I have listed there...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon MiND2 Shunyata Triton

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Granite is cheaper and far more impressive IMHO:tongue:...
    For a kitchen counter top, yes. :biggrin:
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    I've never heard anyone, or read anyone, say that tube amps don't have bass. The comments I heard and read were from individuals who said that the tube amps they auditioned didn't have as tight, articulate and well defined bass compared to solid state amps of the same design quality and build quality.
    My experience as well.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,707
    edited May 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Those are the 7t's that I have listed there...

    LOL...I knew they were yours....I was advertizing for you without mentioning your name in case you wanted to keep the sale on the DL lol.....

    although I dont know anyone here who hasn't seen a pic of those monoblocks...
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited May 2011
    byfthalone wrote: »
    was going to bid but thought it might be overkill for my TSi 100's

    I was thinking about bidding on these for my teen son's rig to drove his Monitor 5jr+'s :wink:

    You Polkies up in in northern Canada/Alaska could use these year round for high fidelity and to heat the igloo :biggrin:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,453
    edited May 2011
    Nothing but respect for one of the industries greatest. Look at that crazy **** , you just gotta love it.
    They are some sexy **** tube amps. Makes me just want to touch them.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,795
    edited May 2011
    george daniel wrote: »
    here you go--with upgraded binding posts.:cool:

    But, still no IEC.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,669
    edited May 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I'm not sure I've heard someone say that but it's a ridiculous statement for sure, regardless of it being anything Bob Carver built.

    I guess opinions are ridiculous. Thanks for pointing that out.
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • chargerman426
    chargerman426 Posts: 419
    edited May 2011
    I put a 7,600$ bid on it know i would be out bid just so I could say i bid on them :). Also, I asked Bob about the schematics and transformers and if they will become available. He said the schematics will be available within the next two weeks and he is going to try and find an easier way to wind the transformers. So I'm thinking about building a set of these for my self.
    If life had more tubes it would be a lot smoother.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited May 2011
    engtaz wrote: »
    I guess opinions are ridiculous. Thanks for pointing that out.

    That tubes have NO bass? Yes, it's a ridiculous statement Engtaz. Maybe you need more experience with them or should read more closely.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2011
    I hope Bob at least got a kiss after the $5'000.00 **** he received on that paint work.:eek:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,932
    edited May 2011
    gdb wrote: »
    I hope Bob at least got a kiss after the $5'000.00 **** he received on that paint work.:eek:

    He was as thrilled as could be with the work... hope you can afford the 50k dental bill for getting that foot out of your mouth.:wink::tongue:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon MiND2 Shunyata Triton

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,626
    edited May 2011
    Just a cooling off period or calm before the storm...
    too many days left so they're backing off a bit.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited May 2011
    F#ckin nice... No way in hell I'd have paid that much for the paint, though, nice as it is.

    What I think is cool is how he is going to put up the schematics for anyone to use. You need his transformers, but very doable for the common man, ya know???
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    He was as thrilled as could be with the work... hope you can afford the 50k dental bill for getting that foot out of your mouth.:wink::tongue:

    Save $$$ for a proctologist cuz it might be in your.......
    You Bob's official mouthpiece now?:rolleyes: I read the auction blurb about the paint, sticker shock was one term I remember quite clearly. He was taken, pure and simple, it's good that he's happy with the paint quality at least.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited May 2011
    Bob just won't use that guy again....simple. There are other sources for chassis work, heck he should contact our resident paint work expert.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,669
    edited May 2011
    Get a life doro. Picking apart people statements just to satify your ego is your bag so continue on.
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,878
    edited May 2011
    I'm nominating DK's post for "Understatement of the Year"
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    I would think that the target market for these amps is very well insulated from the bad economy.:wink:

    I'd be sweating the "$360" shipping charge. :smile:

    That one picture of him leaning over grinning at the camera .... priceless. Like a kid in a candy store. And that's nice.
    Sal Palooza
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited May 2011
    engtaz wrote: »
    Get a life doro. Picking apart people statements just to satify your ego is your bag so continue on.

    Ego? L O L....when did you start taking things so personal? The comment was directed at another persons' comment originally but you picked up the slack for some reason. Don't worry about answering since I'm sure you have no idea. Boy, this place sure turned into sensitive pants central this week.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,932
    edited May 2011
    gdb wrote: »
    Save $$$ for a proctologist cuz it might be in your.......
    You Bob's official mouthpiece now?:rolleyes: I read the auction blurb about the paint, sticker shock was one term I remember quite clearly. He was taken, pure and simple, it's good that he's happy with the paint quality at least.
    I talk with Bob almost daily at this point... The painter is a world renown artist who's work has been featured on just about every auto/motorcycle custom show there is on tv or print magazine... the guy painted a set of fenders and fuel tank for a custom Harley that belonged to a friend of mine 12 years ago and the price then was 10K.

    Given what I know about these amps(a hell of a lot) Bob got exactly what he asked for, which was the very best paint job he could get. You must also remember that there are 4 chassis for these amps, and each one recieved the same attention to detail as anything else the guy paints. Believe it or not, the painter matters even more than the paint.

    These amps were build with the intent of them being Bob's personal amps and something he would never sell, so he went all out on these in every respect.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon MiND2 Shunyata Triton

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,447
    edited May 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Boy, this place sure turned into sensitive pants central this week.

    It has, hasn't it. WTF is wrong with people. Must be the bad economy and a bit of P envy.

    The statement above is a general statement, not directed at anyone in particular because I know some of you in this thread will take it personally as if everything said in a particular thread is aimed squarely at you!!

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • Slinger182
    Slinger182 Posts: 512
    edited May 2011
    Those look ridiculously awesome. Just out of curiosity would anything bad happen if I hooked up my TSi 500s to those?
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,707
    edited May 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    The statement above is a general statement, not directed at anyone in particular because I know some of you in this thread will take it personally as if everything said in a particular thread is aimed squarely at you!!

    I take personal offense at that comment, because I KNOW it was directed at me, because I am so important everything is about me :tongue::eek:

    JK.....

    Back to talking about that cool looking tube amp.... think they are at like 12k now...
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited May 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I talk with Bob almost daily at this point... The painter is a world renown artist who's work has been featured on just about every auto/motorcycle custom show there is on tv or print magazine... the guy painted a set of fenders and fuel tank for a custom Harley that belonged to a friend of mine 12 years ago and the price then was 10K.

    Given what I know about these amps(a hell of a lot) Bob got exactly what he asked for, which was the very best paint job he could get. You must also remember that there are 4 chassis for these amps, and each one recieved the same attention to detail as anything else the guy paints. Believe it or not, the painter matters even more than the paint.

    These amps were build with the intent of them being Bob's personal amps and something he would never sell, so he went all out on these in every respect.



    I can dig that, but I still stand by what I said. No way I would have paid that just for someone's reputation (the skill is unquestioned).



    That being what it is, I wonder what types of components he uses for the circuitry...
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited May 2011
    Almost at $13K. I wondered what the final $ will be?
    Michael ;)
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2011
    amulford wrote: »
    That being what it is, I wonder what types of components he uses for the circuitry...
    Probably nothing exotic.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited May 2011
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    Jake
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2011
    I think ALL tube amps produce loose, sloppy, flabby,flaccid bass ALL the time in every system with every speaker and every source!:eek: If you disagree with this, you might hurt my feelings!:biggrin:
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited May 2011
    Or someone else's that you don't even know GBD. It must be a teething thing.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,070
    edited May 2011
    Lasareath wrote: »
    That may never change. Bob Carver does not believe that Power Cords can make a difference

    Actually what I read Bob said that while they may make some difference(power cords) I like to hard wire because I feel it's a better connection as opposed to the IEC connection that may have a sloppy fit after a while.

    or something like that it was in one of my audio mags a year or so back
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