The $2200 HDMI cable @ BB

FTGV · January 2011

xcapri79 wrote: »

Do you have anything better to do than to follow me around as a troll and post silliness?
I mean really you seem to have a thing for me. :eek:

Are you saying he's a stalker?

digitalvideo · January 2011

I still see Dark Knight talking about fashion and designer dresses. lol

I've yet to see any scientific evidence that there is any PQ difference between a Monoprice $5 dollar HDMI cable and a Monster or AudioQuest unless you're looking for lengths over 40 feet which a Belden can pass a 1080p signal up to 100 feet.

For the "Dark Knight" to continue to compare fashion clothes that people put on their body as a fashion statement to electronics is pretty idiotic and he shouldn't be taken seriously here since most high end fashion clothes today are made in sweat shops overseas in the same factories that make clothes sold in Walmart. I would also question how old he is since he will literally take up a entire page of 20,000 words to try to make a counter argument just to try to win a debate which shows insecurity on his part.

I'm still waiting for Dark Knight to post a video of any of his experiments to prove a much more expensive speaker cable or HDMI cable will make any improvement. In fact, I contacted Michael McCook, ceo of SurgeX about this, he laughed. "Dark Knight" what is your education, college degree in? I'm NOT a expert, I am NOT affiliated with any company in this field, I never claimed to be, I post claims and literature from actual engineers and you can also contact and talk to who can school you.

For those wanting to know the truth and the proper electrical wiring practice for AV systems read this white paper by Jim Brown with Audio Systems Group: http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/SurgeXPowerGround.pdf

Regarding AV system interfaces, read the white papers of Bill Whitlock with Jensen Transformers: http://www.jensen-transformers.com/apps_wp.html

Both of these gentlemen are experts in the industry, are active members of the AES and are driving forces on global standards committees. Both are available for direct communication.

For those further inclined to learn more about everything audio, take a SynAudCon course www.synaudcon.com

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inspiredsports · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

I've yet to see any scientific evidence that there is any PQ difference between a Monoprice $5 dollar HDMI cable and a Monster or AudioQuest unless you're looking for lengths over 40 feet which a Belden can pass a 1080p signal up to 100 feet.

For the "Dark Knight" to continue to compare fashion clothes that people put on their body as a fashion statement to electronics is pretty idiotic and he shouldn't be taken seriously here, I would also question how old he is since he will literally take up a entire page of 5000 words to try to make a counter argument just to try to win a debate, most people on here have lives.

I'm still waiting for Dark Knight to post a video of any of his experiments to prove a much more expensive speaker cable or HDMI cable will make any improvement. In fact, I contacted Michael McCook, ceo of SurgeX about this, he laughed. Dark Knight what is your education, college degree in? I'm NOT a expert, I am NOT affiliated with any company in this field, but I also post claims and literature from actual engineers and you can also talk to engineers over at avsforum.com who can school you.

But we've all yet to see you post about a cable you have personally tried.

digitalvideo · January 2011

inspiredsports wrote: »

But we've all yet to see you post about a cable you have personally tried.

So where are your tests? What evidence will you provide to prove a cable worth thousands of dollars will perform better than a cable of much cheaper price?

I'll post sources from credible experts to back up my claims, let's talk about www.cnet.com who said with all their testing there is no difference in PQ between a Monoprice HDMI cable and cables that are much more expensive.

http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11276_7-226-3.html

Now who is your source? Unless you provide sources you have no evidence to back up any claims.

concealer404 · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

So where are your tests? What evidence will you provide to prove a cable worth thousands of dollars will perform better than a cable of much cheaper price?

I'll post sources from credible experts to back up my claims, let's talk about www.cnet.com who said with all their testing there is no difference in PQ between a Monoprice HDMI cable and cables that are much more expensive.

http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11276_7-226-3.html

Now who is your source? Unless you provide sources you have no evidence to back up any claims.

All i'm getting out of this is that you'd rather use your eyes and the ears of people you've never met to figure out what sort of audio setup you'd like.

Interesting.

Everytime i see posts like this, my mind is completely blown. I've said it before, i'll say it again: Why people get worried about what they see, instead of what they HEAR in this hobby is beyond me.

We don't care what other people have told you, or what other people have written for you to read and take as the gospel. Unless you've got experience on the subject at hand, then you really have no dog in this fight, do you? No. You don't.

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Also interesting that you seem to be picking and choosing which posts you include speaker cables, and which posts you don't. This is a discussion about HDMI. I'm not taking either side in this discussion on HDMI cables. However, i did see the neat quip about speaker cables you put in a post prior. Let's stay on topic if that's possible. If you want to open Pandora's box, start another thread.

digitalvideo · January 2011

concealer404 wrote: »

All i'm getting out of this is that you'd rather use your eyes and the ears of people you've never met to figure out what sort of audio setup you'd like.

Interesting.

Everytime i see posts like this, my mind is completely blown. I've said it before, i'll say it again: Why people get worried about what they see, instead of what they HEAR in this hobby is beyond me.

We don't care what other people have told you, or what other people have written for you to read and take as the gospel. Unless you've got experience on the subject at hand, then you really have no dog in this fight, do you? No. You don't.

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Also interesting that you seem to be picking and choosing which posts you include speaker cables, and which posts you don't. This is a discussion about HDMI. I'm not taking either side in this discussion on HDMI cables. However, i did see the neat quip about speaker cables you put in a post prior. Let's stay on topic if that's possible. If you want to open Pandora's box, start another thread.

I've bought $500 dollar Monster cables, I've ordered $5 dollar Monoprice and $15 dollar Bluejeans, I have not yet seen any difference in PQ not only in my house and every other house I've been in that has a HDMI wired setup and different power cords used. In fact there are people who want to save money and make their own power cords and speaker wire and save hundreds if not thousands of dollars and get just as good PQ and SQ.

But when I post links to credible sources by industry experts there are amateurs on here who still deny it, who still think they are more knowledgable than the actual experts who have engineering degrees, well what makes you more knowledgable than the experts I quoted? Again, I'm not a expert nor do I claim to be, but what are you qualifications to question the actual experts?

wrote:

CNET strongly recommends cheap HDMI cables widely available from online retailers instead of the expensive counterparts sold in your local electronics store.

http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11276_7-226-3.html

Now who are your sources? Your only excuse seems to be some desperate: "Well it's all up to your eyes and ears." lol well if leading experts with their own equipment can't detect it but you can, I would say that you never did a black to back blind test. I'll listen to the experts and not arrogant bloggers behind a computer who don't put forth their own credentials.

B Run · January 2011

http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

If you got a kick out of the hdmi reviews, check these out haha.

Face · January 2011

I've had a few defective hdmi cables from Monoprice, that alone should be reason to avoid them.

digitalvideo · January 2011

xcapri79 wrote: »

You are missing what fashion is all about. It is a really poor analogy and undermines your argument.

haha exactly! I think the "Dark Knight" should stick to designer clothes on the Bravo Channel and do the red carpet fashion critique with Joan Rivers at the Academy Awards pre-show.

How can anyone compare power cord and cable performance in general to clothing? But maybe he's making our case for us, I guess he thinks spending thousands of dollars more on something that looks more "pretty" is worth it, so it's form over function. Sort of like spending $500 on a AudioQuest or Monster cable that has a "prettier" outter jacket on it but offers the same performance as a $5 dollar cable made in the same factory in China by Copartner.

All the people who really think more expensive HDMI cables offer better performance in PQ (even though digital is digital) should read about Copartner the world's largest cable maker and all the companies they make cables for in China.

Copartner's cables are all HDMI Certified Version 1.3b Category 2 Commercial Grade and CERTIFIED by HDMI testing labs, they are used by Comcast as Comcast installed a HDMI cable for my CATV. They also sell for under $4 bucks. lol

http://www.amazon.com/Copartner-Ultra-High-Version-Category-Blu-Ray/dp/B001NW757K

To prove to you how much a scam AudioQuest and Monster's HDMI cables are, checkout HDMI.org website and look under their adopter program to see the names of the companies that are officially recognized by HDMI and sent their cables to HDMI's official testing labs to get the HDMI certification. AudioQuest and Monster are not official HDMI companies, but Bluejeans is. Not only is Bluejeans a more honest company, they will openly send you all of their testing results from HDMI's labs and from UL and they sell their cables for just a few bucks more than Monoprice AND their Belden cables are mostly made in the U.S. and all their profit stays here, that alone is a reason to buy Belden/Bluejeans who is like the Oppo of the cable world.

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/adopters_founders.aspx

DarqueKnight · January 2011

xcapri79 wrote: »

You are missing what fashion is all about. It is a really poor analogy and undermines your argument.

I know what fashion is all about. I also know that clothing existed a long time before the fashion industry came into existence. You are missing the point about there being a difference between fashion and utility.

B Run wrote: »

http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

If you got a kick out of the hdmi reviews, check these out haha.

These "reviews" say more about the commenter's ignorance and "class clown" mentality than about the alleged "snake oil" purveyance of AudioQuest. AudioQuest offers cables at many different price points for all budgets. It is sad that these people and others of their ilk feel so threatened by AudioQuest offering a high end cable product that they need to devote time to demeaning their products.

B Run · January 2011

This thread was started because we got a kick out of some of the comments on best buys website. There's some funny ones on amazon too, just pointing that out. I use audioquest cables and am not getting into the cable debate, nor knocking their product (I bet they're badass cables!). Just found some humor in some of the posts.

digitalvideo · January 2011

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I know what fashion is all about. I also know that clothing existed a long time before the fashion industry came into existence. You are missing the point about there being a difference between fashion and utility.

HAHA! Say hi to Joan Rivers and Nathan Lane for us!

DarqueKnight wrote:

These "reviews" say more about the commenter's ignorance and "class clown" mentality than about the alleged "snake oil" purveyance of AudioQuest. AudioQuest offers cables at many different price points for all budgets. It is sad that these people and others of their ilk feel so threatened by AudioQuest offering a high end cable product that they need to devote time to demeaning their products.

Can you prove the higher end AudioQuest cables offer any improvement in PQ over their lower priced ones? Digital is digital, it either passes the signal through or it doesn't. "ALL" HDMI cables that are Category 2 High Speed rated by HDMI are all the same. AudioQuest is NOT a official member of HDMI, they are not one of their adopter companies. Also, where are these AudioQuest cables made?

DarqueKnight · January 2011

xcapri79 wrote: »

B Run wrote: »

http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

If you got a kick out of the hdmi reviews, check these out haha.

Unless this product is backed up by a full report by the Darqueknight, one can't take those testimonials seriously.

I am currently using one of AudioQuest's higher performing speaker cables, Everest, ($11,700 for an 8' pair), therefore you should not expect a review of the AQ K2 cables any time soon.

My subjective review of the Everest cables is here

I performed noise measurements in the time and frequency domains between three speaker cables (Monster Z2 Reference, AudioQuest Volcano, and Monster XP) here. Oscilloscope measurements clearly showed an improvement in noise rejection with increasing cable quality.

With regard to HDMI cables, I use Monoprice cables. I subjectively evaluated HDMI cables from Acoustic Research ($20), Monster Cable ($130) and Rocketfish ($85). See figure 12 in this thread. I saw no difference between any of them. I switched from AR HDMI cables to Monoprice HDMI cables because the Monoprice cables had heavier insulation and heavier connectors with better strain relief...plus they only cost $8.

digitalvideo · January 2011

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I am currently using one of AudioQuest's higher performing speaker cables, Everest, ($11,700 for an 8' pair), therefore you should not expect a review of the AQ K2 cables any time soon.

My subjective review of the Everest cables is here

I performed noise measurements in the time and frequency domains between three speaker cables (Monster Z2 Reference, AudioQuest Volcano, and Monster XP) here. Oscilloscope measurements clearly showed an improvement in noise rejection with increasing cable quality.

Oh jeez! :rolleyes:

Ok, let's say hypothetically for a second in this warped universe that "you" could hear a difference in sound with a $11,000+ cable, but what type of "difference" was it? Was that "difference" worth $11,000 a cable "IF" you could notice the slightest difference in the highs and lows? Seriously, this is absolutely ridiculous. I would like to borrow that $11,000 cable for some back to back blind tests and call over the neighbors, oh hell the entire town for that matter and see if we can hear a difference.

DarqueKnight wrote:

With regard to HDMI cables, I use Monoprice cables. I subjectively evaluated HDMI cables from Acoustic Research ($20), Monster Cable ($130) and Rocketfish ($85). See figure 12 in this thread. I saw no difference between any of them. I switched from AR HDMI cables to Monoprice HDMI cables because the Monoprice cables had heavier insulation and heavier connectors with better strain relief...plus they only cost $8.

These test results were also the test results of the $11,000+ AudioQuest speaker cables too.

LessisNevermore · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

I would like to borrow that $11,000 cable....

I just bet ya would, Sparky. But make sure you don't offer a deposit, or anything. Just expect someone you've been mocking non-stop, to send you the value of a used car, just because you don't believe him.:rolleyes:

jbooker82 · January 2011

Tour2ma wrote: »

LOL.. just flashed to some deep-voiced dude selling "investment grade" interconnects on basic cable...

Yea i guess if your going to invest in silver you just as well use it while you own it.

concealer404 · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

I've bought $500 dollar Monster cables, I've ordered $5 dollar Monoprice and $15 dollar Bluejeans, I have not yet seen any difference in PQ not only in my house and every other house I've been in that has a HDMI wired setup and different power cords used. In fact there are people who want to save money and make their own power cords and speaker wire and save hundreds if not thousands of dollars and get just as good PQ and SQ.

But when I post links to credible sources by industry experts there are amateurs on here who still deny it, who still think they are more knowledgable than the actual experts who have engineering degrees, well what makes you more knowledgable than the experts I quoted? Again, I'm not a expert nor do I claim to be, but what are you qualifications to question the actual experts?

http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11276_7-226-3.html

Now who are your sources? Your only excuse seems to be some desperate: "Well it's all up to your eyes and ears." lol well if leading experts with their own equipment can't detect it but you can, I would say that you never did a black to back blind test. I'll listen to the experts and not arrogant bloggers behind a computer who don't put forth their own credentials.

How about you read what i said, and then get back to me. I doubt you will, so i'm not going to bother holding my breath.

Screw it, i'll throw you a bone. I CLEARLY said that i wasn't taking either side on the HDMI debate. I'm using a Monoprice HDMI cable, and it works fine. As it should, since i'm only using a 6ft cable.

As for the rest of it? I don't give a s@#t about your back to back double blind turn around 3 times and chirp like a squirrel while eating a granola bar test. I'm not listening/watching for you, i'm doing it for me.

Disclaimer, i'm not a blogger, and i work in health insurance. This is a hobby to me, and nothing more.

Also interesting that you didn't mention the speaker cables in that post, unlike your earlier one. Thank you for staying on topic.

concealer404 · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

Oh jeez! :rolleyes:

Ok, let's say hypothetically for a second in this warped universe that "you" could hear a difference in sound with a $11,000+ cable, but what type of "difference" was it? Was that "difference" worth $11,000 a cable "IF" you could notice the slightest difference in the highs and lows? Seriously, this is absolutely ridiculous. I would like to borrow that $11,000 cable for some back to back blind tests and call over the neighbors, oh hell the entire town for that matter and see if we can hear a difference.

These test results were also the test results of the $11,000+ AudioQuest speaker cables too.

Whether or not it's worth it in Raife's situation is not for you to judge. His house. His rig. His ears. His money.

None of those are your things. Does it really matter if he enjoys them? Or is that somehow personally insulting to you? Certainly seems that way.

cstmar01 · January 2011

I think its funny, but once again look at the target market. For instance this is a best buy Magnolia HT product. I recently went into a Mag store down in chicago and they also carry a 103" panny plasma that I don't think many people in the future will be picking up (well one it weighs 500lbs and cost $$$) so think about it. Person X comes in, wants the best of the best and bam you can also sell a cable with it. (also it was just on the showroom floor and they also have a 150" one too!).

Do I think its stupid, and would I buy it myself no. But then again am I going to go out and buy a 100K car and be able to afford to do so, no. People get too worked up over blah blah blah someone is wasting their money on cables. I agree its digital, but once again, if person X has the income and doesn't care about this or that, then be my guest and sell it to him. If your going to blow 100K on an HT room your probably not going to care what they put in there (if you have an install done by someone else).

Now that being said, digitalvideo is pretty annoying and so is X again going off about stupid crap.

But once again they must save us from buying expensive cables because they must know so much more than us. Thats why they've already tried it themselves...oh wait...no they haven't so they really shouldn't tell people what they should and shouldn't do with their money.

ysss · January 2011

I think the silliness in this thread is rapidly closing in to the levels of BestBuy cable reviews..

Getting back on topic, check this one out... (and the accompanying photos!)

http://www.amazon.com/Wheelmate-Laptop-Steering-Wheel-Desk/dp/B000IZGIA8

digitalvideo · January 2011

concealer404 wrote: »

How about you read what i said, and then get back to me. I doubt you will, so i'm not going to bother holding my breath.

Screw it, i'll throw you a bone. I CLEARLY said that i wasn't taking either side on the HDMI debate. I'm using a Monoprice HDMI cable, and it works fine. As it should, since i'm only using a 6ft cable.

As for the rest of it? I don't give a s@#t about your back to back double blind turn around 3 times and chirp like a squirrel while eating a granola bar test. I'm not listening/watching for you, i'm doing it for me.

Disclaimer, i'm not a blogger, and i work in health insurance. This is a hobby to me, and nothing more.

Also interesting that you didn't mention the speaker cables in that post, unlike your earlier one. Thank you for staying on topic.

To get someone to fly off the hook this badly to resort to swearing over a cable debate is quite funny and says more about you than anything else. Yes, it's everyone's right to spend any amount of their own personal money on whatever they want and I agree with that, but I along with everyone else has the right, the Constitutional right to criticize, judge and mock people who do and if you don't like it then go find a website/forum that fits your emotional reactionist ways of not being able to handle differences in opinion and articulate it in a intellectual mature fashion.

These website/forums are all about discussing electronics, speakers, subs, wires etc, to give our own reviews and so forth, it's a good way to hold these companies accountable and their marketing strategies as we are all the consumer advocates. The consumers who are tricked into thinking they are getting the "best" by spending ridiculous and outrageous amounts of money for a wire is a right of their's but don't get defensive when we use our right to mock others for falling for the marketing scam.

digitalvideo · January 2011

cstmar01 wrote: »

Now that being said, digitalvideo is pretty annoying and so is X again going off about stupid crap.

But once again they must save us from buying expensive cables because they must know so much more than us. Thats why they've already tried it themselves...oh wait...no they haven't so they really shouldn't tell people what they should and shouldn't do with their money.

Well hey, don't attack us with immature rhetoric when you fell for the trap of these companies, I know it stings and you will throw a tantrum like you have been doing and fold your arms and stick your tongue out at us and call us "poopy heads" for sitting you down and trying to educate you on why these companies took your money and ripped you off. We're just trying to help you is all.

concealer404 · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

Well hey, don't attack us with immature rhetoric when you fell for the trap of these companies, I know it stings and you will throw a tantrum like you have been doing and fold your arms and stick your tongue out at us and call us "poopy heads" for sitting you down and trying to educate you on why these companies took your money and ripped you off. We're just trying to help you is all.

I'm afraid none of us need help. We're doing what WE enjoy. That doesn't necessary mean that YOU have to enjoy it, nor do we care in the slightest if you do or not. So.... don't bother trying to convert us. Have a "nice" day.

concealer404 · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

To get someone to fly off the hook this badly to resort to swearing over a cable debate is quite funny and says more about you than anything else. Yes, it's everyone's right to spend any amount of their own personal money on whatever they want and I agree with that, but I along with everyone else has the right, the Constitutional right to criticize, judge and mock people who do and if you don't like it then go find a website/forum that fits your emotional reactionist ways of not being able to handle differences in opinion and articulate it in a intellectual mature fashion.

These website/forums are all about discussing electronics, speakers, subs, wires etc, to give our own reviews and so forth, it's a good way to hold these companies accountable and their marketing strategies as we are all the consumer advocates. The consumers who are tricked into thinking they are getting the "best" by spending ridiculous and outrageous amounts of money for a wire is a right of their's but don't get defensive when we use our right to mock others for falling for the marketing scam.

2nd bolded statement: I'm rolling over here. Give me more!

You still aren't getting it. I'm not debating. Serious question: Do you bother reading what you reply to? So far i'm of the opinion that you don't. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

As for the first bolded statement? Nope, sorry. You left that Constitutional Right at the door when you signed in. Welcome to the wonderful world of private company-owned forums. Personal attacks (mockery falls under that definition) are not tolerated here. (Or so it says in the "official forum rules.)

As the expert, what exactly does my post say about me? I'm genuinely curious here, throw me a bone.

cstmar01 · January 2011

concealer404 wrote: »

2nd bolded statement: I'm rolling over here. Give me more!

You still aren't getting it. I'm not debating. Serious question: Do you bother reading what you reply to? So far i'm of the opinion that you don't. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

As for the first bolded statement? Nope, sorry. You left that Constitutional Right at the door when you signed in. Welcome to the wonderful world of private company-owned forums. Personal attacks (mockery falls under that definition) are not tolerated here. (Or so it says in the "official forum rules.)

As the expert, what exactly does my post say about me? I'm genuinely curious here, throw me a bone.

Ben to sum it up, no he doesn't. He just think he's like a savior of the world and that we should all just follow him to the "audio truth" so we will be saved.

Never really understood the whole thinking of "they enjoy the hobby and like what they hear. I'm going to go tell them they are all wrong and correct all their wrong doing."

Its just like really, its not like I waste all my time thinking, OMG you guys I totally won't hear anything unless I get those 36K MIT cables.

Its more like, wow I like them, let me assess the rig now and see what other things I could tweak/change around to get this to sound the way I want to, at which I guess people think your stupid if you want to do this.

digitalvideo · January 2011

concealer404 wrote: »

2nd bolded statement: I'm rolling over here. Give me more!

Actually I'm the one who's doing the rolling over here as you and some others on here defend companies that extort you and make you look foolish as some of the others on here try to give you some help and realise you're getting played, but it is quite funny to sit back and laugh and watch the chaos of you and a few others here try to defend yourselves when your responses are quite immature.

concealer404 wrote:

You still aren't getting it. I'm not debating. Serious question: Do you bother reading what you reply to? So far i'm of the opinion that you don't. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

I don't think you are reading carefully enough and understanding basic logic that is given to you in fact you haven't once yet put forth any evidence from a credible source to back up any counter points of yours.

concealer404 wrote:

As for the first bolded statement? Nope, sorry. You left that Constitutional Right at the door when you signed in. Welcome to the wonderful world of private company-owned forums. Personal attacks (mockery falls under that definition) are not tolerated here. (Or so it says in the "official forum rules.)

Whether you own a private company or not people still have rights and a private company can't violate one's 1st Admendment rights, please read into it and where a majority of lawyers and judges in this country stand on the issue. If we went by your logic then no one in the history of man kind would have ever sued a tobacco company and won or sued any other company and have won, but in fact many people have won in a court of law by a jury of their peers in cases regarding freedom of speech in the business world. But good to know you take the side of corporations over one's First Admendment rights and Freedom Of Speech.

When it comes to polkaudio.com, yes there are conditions and rules set in place where the mods have to have some control to control the circus around here as is on most forums, but the fact that the immaturity and swearing has been launched at me by people on your side shows the mods will have more time sending your side the warnings to knock off the swearing.

concealer404 wrote:

As the expert, what exactly does my post say about me? I'm genuinely curious here, throw me a bone.

Actually, in many of my posts above I clearly state I am NOT a expert, I am NOT educated in this field and I am NOT affiliated in any way in this field, what I am doing is posting the links to sources of qualified individuals who have years of knowledge on this to back up my claims. You still don't seem to understand this basic simple logic and concept as you still haven't once posted any source to back up anything you say as a counter argument, instead your responding back to me consists of immaturity and lack of substance.

Face · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

Actually, in many of my posts above I clearly state I am NOT a expert, I am NOT educated in this field and I am NOT affiliated in any way in this field

Your lack of experience is obvious.

Polkitup2 · January 2011

I went shopping today for an HDMI cable and was disappointed that Walmart and SAM's no longer carried the $19.95 Belkin PureAv HDMI cable. It was a great cable, now they carry a Vizio HDMI cable for $35 which I think is ridicuously priced so I am debating on whether I should spend $3 on a monoprice cable, or $5 for a Dayton Parts Express cable. I'm leaning towards the Dayton. Thoughts?

concealer404 · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

Actually I'm the one who's doing the rolling over here as you and some others on here defend companies that extort you and make you look foolish as some of the others on here try to give you some help and realise you're getting played, but it is quite funny to sit back and laugh and watch the chaos of you and a few others here try to defend yourselves when your responses are quite immature.

I don't think you are reading carefully enough and understanding basic logic that is given to you in fact you haven't once yet put forth any evidence from a credible source to back up any counter points of yours.

Whether you own a private company or not people still have rights and a private company can't violate one's 1st Admendment rights, please read into it and where a majority of lawyers and judges in this country stand on the issue. If we went by your logic then no one in the history of man kind would have ever sued a tobacco company and won or sued any other company and have won, but in fact many people have won in a court of law by a jury of their peers in cases regarding freedom of speech in the business world. But good to know you take the side of corporations over one's First Admendment rights and Freedom Of Speech.

When it comes to polkaudio.com, yes there are conditions and rules set in place where the mods have to have some control to control the circus around here as is on most forums, but the fact that the immaturity and swearing has been launched at me by people on your side shows the mods will have more time sending your side the warnings to knock off the swearing.

Actually, in many of my posts above I clearly state I am NOT a expert, I am NOT educated in this field and I am NOT affiliated in any way in this field, what I am doing is posting the links to sources of qualified individuals who have years of knowledge on this to back up my claims. You still don't seem to understand this basic simple logic and concept as you still haven't once posted any source to back up anything you say as a counter argument, instead your responding back to me consists of immaturity and lack of substance.

Alright, i'm sick of you not understanding my point. Ready for it? Here it comes:

If you go back and read my posts, not once have i defended cable companies. Not once have i even been so far to say that cables make a difference. If you could be bothered to read what i've posted, you would see that.

What i have problem with is people like you who suddenly decide that they're here under the "science god's" will and you're on a divine quest to "save" us all from the big bad cable companies. Guess what? We don't care. We're in this hobby for us. Who cares if it's placebo effect that elevates our enjoyment, or our minds tricking us into thinking that our shiny new cables HAVE to make our systems sound better because well... it COSTS MORE. It MUST be better!

Who exactly are you to attempt to take away our enjoyment in a HOBBY of all things? What about our enjoyment insults you so personally that you have to come around and spew your crap at us all and even in your own words, dish out "mockery" to those who are "stupid" enough to believe they hear a difference?

Placebo effect, corporate brainwashing, mind tricks, whatever, it doesn't matter. It's not your problem, it has no bearing on you what others' may experience. If you don't experience those things, that's fine. Save your money. Vote against those companies with your wallet. Just stop trying to "convert" people over to your "religion" and holy crusade against the evil cable companies. Nobody cares. Those that believe don't care what you have to say, and those that don't are already "on your side" to begin with.

If you notice, those that "believe" don't cram their beliefs down everyone's throats. The standard response to cable questions is "Try and see if you like it." You would do well to give the same responses.

Do you understand now? Quite obviously, i don't need counterpoints, because I HAVEN'T MADE ANY CLAIMS. Yeeeeeeesssshhh. Years of education to come down to this. :rolleyes:

I anxiously await yet another post from you asking me to back up the claims that i haven't made at any point in this thread. In the meantime, i'll be LISTENING to my gear instead of READING about it. :rolleyes: Listening "extortion-free," i might add. Every piece of my gear was purchased used.

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Ken, i saw that you edited my post above. Sorry about that. :redface:

headrott · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

I still see Dark Knight talking about fashion and designer dresses. lol

I've yet to see any scientific evidence that there is any PQ difference between a Monoprice $5 dollar HDMI cable and a Monster or AudioQuest unless you're looking for lengths over 40 feet which a Belden can pass a 1080p signal up to 100 feet.

For the "Dark Knight" to continue to compare fashion clothes that people put on their body as a fashion statement to electronics is pretty idiotic and he shouldn't be taken seriously here since most high end fashion clothes today are made in sweat shops overseas in the same factories that make clothes sold in Walmart. I would also question how old he is since he will literally take up a entire page of 20,000 words to try to make a counter argument just to try to win a debate which shows insecurity on his part.

I'm still waiting for Dark Knight to post a video of any of his experiments to prove a much more expensive speaker cable or HDMI cable will make any improvement. In fact, I contacted Michael McCook, ceo of SurgeX about this, he laughed. "Dark Knight" what is your education, college degree in? I'm NOT a expert, I am NOT affiliated with any company in this field, I never claimed to be, I post claims and literature from actual engineers and you can also contact and talk to who can school you.

For those wanting to know the truth and the proper electrical wiring practice for AV systems read this white paper by Jim Brown with Audio Systems Group: http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/SurgeXPowerGround.pdf

Regarding AV system interfaces, read the white papers of Bill Whitlock with Jensen Transformers: http://www.jensen-transformers.com/apps_wp.html

Both of these gentlemen are experts in the industry, are active members of the AES and are driving forces on global standards committees. Both are available for direct communication.

For those further inclined to learn more about everything audio, take a SynAudCon course www.synaudcon.com

Michael McCook
SurgeX International
Office: (+1)610-847-4956
Direct: (+1)267-251-6119
Fax: (+1)610-847-4955
Michael@SurgeXInternational.com
Skype: michael.mccook
www.SurgeXInternational.com

I am not trying to take sides between you and DK, but I believe DK's logic is very sound when comparing clothing to cables. DK is simply saying that the quality of clothing you require depends on its application, just as the quality of cable you use depends on its application. Pretty straight forward.

I do not believe any evidence will be satisfactory for you as far as "proving" to you that an HDMI cable will make a difference in the picture/sound quality from your gear. I believe you need to prove that to yourself. Or don't. I have personally seen an HDMI cable produce much mor vibrant colors (as one example) than another HDMI cable I was using. The only change that was made was the cable. All other gear remaind the same. The length of the HDMI cable was the same. The only variable was the cable. Unfortunately, there is no way to prove that to you. Please see above about "proving" things.

Greg

The $2200 HDMI cable @ BB

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