Samsung C8000 or Panasonic VT25 58' Plasma

danz1906
danz1906 Posts: 5,144
edited December 2010 in Electronics
Hey Guys,

What do you think about these two 3D HDTV plasmas.
I looking to get a new TV before Football season starts. I have
narrowed it down to these two models. Both models are about the
same price. Also there's very good deals on the older Panasonic V10
58' models(non-3D).

Are you ready for some Football:)
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2010
    Check this out from the AV Forum:

    I revised my list a bit and took the suggestions for multiplying the values. Here is the modified comparison of the vt25 and the c8000. This may change as I watch the VT25 more. I am also going to be going to someone’s house with a C8000 and doing some more tests as well.

    Importance Scale
    5 - Critical
    4 - Very Important
    3 - Important
    2 - Somewhat Important
    1 - Not Important

    Ratings Scale
    5 - Excellent
    4 - Very Good
    3 - Good
    2 - Poor
    1 - Very Poor


    Item Importance C8000 VT25 C8000 Total VT25 Total
    Lack of False contouring / banding issue 5 5 2 25 10
    Least Objectionable Buzz 5 2 3 10 15
    Long Term Black Levels 4 4 4 16 16
    Lack of Line Bleed 3 3 4 9 12
    Initial Black Levels 2 4 5 8 10
    3d Picture Quality 2 3 4 6 8
    Lack of Floating Black Issue 2 5 3 10 6
    Motion Resolution 2 4 5 8 10
    Attenuating reflections 1 4 3 4 3
    Preserving black level during day 1 4 3 4 3
    Price 1 3 2 3 2

    Total 103 95
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2010
    Here's a Shoot-out between the Two;)

    http://3d-tvbuyingguide.com/3dtv-reviews/3d-tv-shootout.html
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited August 2010
    Also look and see if you can find a Pioneer plasma, still best on the market.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Also look and see if you can find a Pioneer plasma, still best on the market.

    Pioneer Plasma may be out of my price range, I'm Looking for a Big display
    58' to 65' range. I think that the Kuro Pro 101 50' goes from $2900 to$3500
    and the 60' Kuro Pro 141/151 $4500 to $6000 if you can find one:(
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited August 2010
    What's your budget?
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    What's your budget?

    Budget,,,,,,Best deal out there!
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  • MADGSF
    MADGSF Posts: 603
    edited August 2010
    I am very happy with my 58" V10 and highly recommend it but have not seen the new 3D displays yet.
    AVR: Elite VSX-21TXH
    Amplifier: B&K 7250 Series ii
    Misc: Velodyne SMS-1
    Mains: RTi-10
    Center: CSi-5
    Rear: Boston DSi460
    Sub: SVS PC-Ultra
    TV: Panasonic TC-P58V10
    DVD: Panasonic DMP-BD60K
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited August 2010
    Crashing the party, see this thread

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105125
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2010
    Sherardp wrote: »
    Crashing the party, see this thread

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105125

    Projectors:confused:
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited August 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Projectors:confused:

    Heck yeah bro. What can beat 110" HD image. If the application allows, it's worth a look. You can set it up in the living room and still be fine. If your talking sports, movies, etc. nothing can top it bro. Just saying, you may want to consider it.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2010
    Sherardp wrote: »
    Heck yeah bro. What can beat 110" HD image. If the application allows, it's worth a look. You can set it up in the living room and still be fine. If your talking sports, movies, etc. nothing can top it bro. Just saying, you may want to consider it.

    That's Cool!!!!!
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    I saw the 63" Samsung C8000 plasma today at Best Buy/Magnolia.
    They were playing Avatar,,,,The picture was the best I've seen Avatar
    so far. It looked almost 3D:biggrin:
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited October 2010
    Go get it.:biggrin:
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Go get it.:biggrin:

    I'm thinking about it, maybe Magnolia will have a Crazy Sale for
    Black Friday:smile::smile::smile:
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited October 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    I'm thinking about it, maybe Magnolia will have a Crazy Sale for
    Black Friday:smile::smile::smile:

    They usually don't for the higher end gear. Seen the Panasonic v25 and Samsung 8000/9000 and thought the Panasonic was the best they had in the store. Very nice picture.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    They usually don't for the higher end gear. Seen the Panasonic v25 and Samsung 8000/9000 and thought the Panasonic was the best they had in the store. Very nice picture.

    Hoping that maybe the 2011 model will come out and lower the prices.:tongue:
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  • hockeyboy
    hockeyboy Posts: 1,428
    edited November 2010
    I love my Panny G25. Not 3D but otherwise same as the V25 and a lot cheaper too! I got mine at Electronics Expo was a great deal online.
    My Main Gear
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    LSiC (Center)
    LSiFx (Surrounds)
    DUAL SVS 20-39 CS Plus     (Passive Subs)
    Marantz IS201 I-Pod Dock[/SIZE]
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited November 2010
    hockeyboy wrote: »
    I love my Panny G25. Not 3D but otherwise same as the V25 and a lot cheaper too! I got mine at Electronics Expo was a great deal online.

    The G25 does have a great picture, I think there's a GT25 model now.
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,165
    edited November 2010
    hockeyboy wrote: »
    I love my Panny G25. Not 3D but otherwise same as the V25 and a lot cheaper too! I got mine at Electronics Expo was a great deal online.


    Any issues with the unconfirmed floating blacks I keep reading about on the AVS Forum? How many hours do you have on your G25...it is on my short list of TVs this season...
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  • doggie750
    doggie750 Posts: 1,160
    edited November 2010
    3d is new and a waste...........my 2cents.
    LED is super but PLASMA is sweeter but once broken...that's it. Get a insurance.
    Godspeed,
    D0661E

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  • hockeyboy
    hockeyboy Posts: 1,428
    edited November 2010
    kevhed72 wrote: »
    Any issues with the unconfirmed floating blacks I keep reading about on the AVS Forum? How many hours do you have on your G25...it is on my short list of TVs this season...

    I haven't had any problems with the blacks at all. I probably only have 400 hours or so on the set so far. The only problem is that the picture is so good now I want to get another one for the bedroom. :biggrin:
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    Marantz DV7001 (SACD)
    Samsung BD-P1500 Blu-Ray
    LSi 15's (Front)
    LSiC (Center)
    LSiFx (Surrounds)
    DUAL SVS 20-39 CS Plus     (Passive Subs)
    Marantz IS201 I-Pod Dock[/SIZE]
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited November 2010
    hockeyboy wrote: »
    I haven't had any problems with the blacks at all. I probably only have 400 hours or so on the set so far. The only problem is that the picture is so good now I want to get another one for the bedroom. :biggrin:

    Maybe you may find one on Black Friday:smile:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,563
    edited November 2010
    Panasonic Plasma quality starts at the G series. The S series are grainy and not all that good but cheap so worth the money.

    The V series is very very good but a waste with 3D. I'm no fan of 3D , when it came out we all played with it and now never push it on anyone. No reason to get anyone excited about 3D. The glasses suck **** from everyone.
    Dan
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited November 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    Panasonic Plasma quality starts at the G series. The S series are grainy and not all that good but cheap so worth the money.

    The V series is very very good but a waste with 3D. I'm no fan of 3D , when it came out we all played with it and now never push it on anyone. No reason to get anyone excited about 3D. The glasses suck **** from everyone.


    Not everyones cup of tea, but don't forget the panny V25 does 3d but has an outstanding 2D picture as well. Definitely a step up from the older 2d sets.
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited November 2010
    My understanding is that the VT series and G/GT are completely different even when viewing 2D. The VT25 has better video processing as well as a much more advanced anti-glare reflective. The VT25 when turned off has the same purple hue as older Pioneer Elite's use to have. This isn't found on any other Panasonic product from what I've been told and have read or seen.

    I believe the G/GT/VT all share the same 'infinite black' technology which is essentially what made Pioneer better in the first place. The ability to take a cell and basically kill it and bring it back to life in real time. Up until this year Panasonic were only able to take their cell structures down to a certain level of cell light or heat. They can get closer to 0 now. Hence the inky blacks.

    I'm not sure anybody could have the slightest clues as to what's better in the stores unless the shop has all televisions professionally calibrated. It would be like listening to stereo equipment with one model having the treble all the way up vs another that didn't.
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  • hockeyboy
    hockeyboy Posts: 1,428
    edited November 2010
    I definitely am noticing a purple hue from my G25 when it's turned off. The Panny website claims the G series has a more advanced reflective although I don't have anything to compare it to. All I can say is that I calibrated this sucker using settings I found on AVS forum and I couldn't be happier with the picture.:smile:
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    Mitsu HC5000 (Proj.)
    Marantz SR8001 (AVR)
    Sunfire TGA7200 (AMP)
    Marantz DV7001 (SACD)
    Samsung BD-P1500 Blu-Ray
    LSi 15's (Front)
    LSiC (Center)
    LSiFx (Surrounds)
    DUAL SVS 20-39 CS Plus     (Passive Subs)
    Marantz IS201 I-Pod Dock[/SIZE]
    Panamax M5300EX
    Carada Criterion 106" Brightwhite Screen
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited November 2010
    Did anyone find any deals on these 3D Plasmas????
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited November 2010
    Samsung top dog 9000 series led $2500 off.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+55%22+Class+/+1080p+/+240Hz+/+3D+LED-LCD+HDTV/9830614.p?id=1218180648621&skuId=9830614
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited November 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Samsung top dog 9000 series led $2500 off.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+55%22+Class+/+1080p+/+240Hz+/+3D+LED-LCD+HDTV/9830614.p?id=1218180648621&skuId=9830614

    I want to stick with the Plasma model, for that price the I would go
    with the 63" 8000 plasma.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+63%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+3D+Plasma+HDTV/9808997.p?id=1218177168509&skuId=9808997
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited November 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    I want to stick with the Plasma model, for that price the I would go
    with the 63" 8000 plasma.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+63%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+3D+Plasma+HDTV/9808997.p?id=1218177168509&skuId=9808997


    I was at Best Buy yesterday shopping and looked at that Tv. It has a very nice picture but lacks detail in the dark/shaded areas. Maybe not a big deal in your house by itself but, in the store they had a kuro on one side and a v25 series panny on the other you do indeed notice its flaws. The size was amazing.
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