BluRay FAIL

I find this thread to be really interesting. I connect all my TV's to computers, I can play DVD's, Bluray, 1080p or 480p videos (which is what I mostly do, MKVs mostly)....

I have never, ever, found a case where playing 480 video looked better than 1080... there are simply more pixels... 480 is like taking a picture with a camera, scaling it down, then magnifying it, while 1080 is as it was taken.

I find it rather odd that you did not comment on the increased pixels, on the actual point of a Bluray player. The purpose was not to make your dvd's look better.. it was to play better quality video (unless I totally missed something). I don't think it's fair to hate on bluray because it doesn't play your low quality DVDs better

With that said, why don't you use your old DVD player for DVDs and your bluray player for blurays?

edit: have you even tried a bluray disc?

BlueFox wrote: »

No, Bluray is to bring the theater experience to the home, both in PQ and audio. There is no comparison to a regular DVD with a good, calibrated TV. It like black and white versus color, with lossless soundtracks. I read, on this forum somewhere, thay are still using lossy soundtracks in theaters. If that is true then BR is better than the theater.

So, they don't use blu-ray? I'm trying to re-create the theater experience here and I need to know.

What you need to succeed at Blu-ray...

1) A TV that is 1080p and is larger then 40"

2) A Blu-ray player

3) Blu-ray movies


Get all that, and you will be successful, don't, and you won't.

Then perhaps the thread should have been titled SD-DVD FAIL.

i just got a samsung bdp1600. as regards to dvd upconversion i can tell u i do see a difference between standard dvd and hi def. i'll go as far to say that my toshiba 37in lcd only scales upt o 1080i and i can still see a difference in my movies both bluray and dvd. people who say that don't see a difference aren't paying close enough attention in my opinion.

Keiko wrote: »

That's an amusing thought, Demi, but is also irrelevant. The OP reads quite clear. Fact is, some blu players do not upscale DVDs very well.

No, its actually completely relevant. The OP didn't even watch any Blu-Ray discs, despite claiming that PQ is the most important thing to him.

Then he concluded with this:

Micha Cohen wrote:

I'm the only person in the world unhappy with BluRay technology, aren't I? I'm the only person in the world happy with a six-year-old progressive scan DVD player outputting 480p via component video and optical audio outs, aren't I?

He didn't even experience Blu-Ray technology! All he experienced was a Blu-Ray player that didn't upscale his inferior SD-DVDs to his liking. Fair point, but that has nothing to do with Blu-Ray technology.

tonyb wrote: »

once micah gets a newer tv, he may have more use for blu-ray, newer technologies cost money. Go to a standard best buy and see a display with a bdp on a newer 1080p lcd or plasma. I came from a sony 60 inch hd rptv just like you,and believe me,my pioneer plasma smoked it so bad,it ain't even funny.

b-i-n-g-o

Keiko wrote: »

Don't confuse felicitous sarcasm with personal attacks, kid. You're still way off base. Now, go turn your music down.

I must be... I guess I am getting bluray and up converting confused. They must have something to do with each other

PSOVLSK wrote: »

I wouldn't say I'm unhappy with Blu-ray, I just prefer HD DVD to Blu-ray:eek:. Talk about fail. At least your preferred format is still in production...for now;)

Actually, it fits me that HDDVD failed to succeed as I got great pricing on my players and the HDDVD contents that are still available can be had at ridiculus pricing. Most HDDVD players are also great upscalers for for DVD content. I never cared for "Blurry" and am quite content with the great HDDVD-upscaler players I acquired for a decent price.

DSkip wrote: »

I disagree with both. I have a 1080i Magnavox 32" LCD that I purchased 4-5 years ago before the 1080p resolution flooded the market. My parents have what was a high end 55" rear-projection lcd with 1080i.

I told my wife I never wanted to see movies on their tv again and would rather watch it on mine. The picture is clearer, crisper, and the 60 hz lag time is less noticeable. Its a better experience overall. For larger TV's, 1080p and 120 hz seems to be a must. For the smaller TV's, there still is a noticeable jump from DVD to Blu-Ray, albeit you are only getting a fraction of what you COULD be getting from a nicer, larger set.

You could be quite content with 480i on a 32" as this size TV is much too small to really see huge difference between 480i and 1080p. In order to see any slight difference between the DVD and HD rez, you need a TV of good quality with minimum of 40+" and 50"+ for any significant difference.

Keiko wrote: »

My Sammy LCD is 40", capable of 1080p and works great with my PS3 for blu-rays. This is all irrelevant to the OP anyway. Michah's issue is with SD upconversion on a BD player.

It seems like the BD and TV upscaling might interfere with each other according to his comparision report.

conqur wrote: »

i just got a samsung bdp1600. as regards to dvd upconversion i can tell u i do see a difference between standard dvd and hi def. i'll go as far to say that my toshiba 37in lcd only scales upt o 1080i and i can still see a difference in my movies both bluray and dvd. people who say that don't see a difference aren't paying close enough attention in my opinion.

There too, 37"? I have a hard time to believe you could see that much difference, unless you are glued on the TV or maybe in your case you do pay too much attention and it plays trick on you?

Keiko wrote: »

Fair enough, Demi. I can see where your coming from now. In Michah's case, if he wants the best possible PQ out of SD-DVD, then it's probably in his best interest to invest in a quality DVD player w/upconversion and save some coin. As I understand, only the pricier BD players upscale SD to the best possible pic quality.

I fully agree with your statements. Quality of the player is much more important than its so called content ability. IMHO the OP would be much better of with a good quality oppo converter then a Sony BD player!

cokewithvanilla wrote: »

Exactly.

bluray isn't failing here. perhaps that players upconverter is, but what does that have to do with anything?

Some we have to keep in mind, BD was forced into up-conversion because of the competition with Toshiba but they never cared for it, it wasn't their format and their goal always been to kill DVD along with HDDVD so why would they make an effort for decent up-conversion of DVD now that Toshiba isn't a threath anymore :rolleyes: ????

cokewithvanilla wrote: »

I must be... I guess I am getting bluray and up converting confused. They must have something to do with each other

No, 2 different technologies that are included within the same player to allow you backward compatibility along with PQ gain (thanks to Toshiba).

BlueFox wrote: »

This thread makes no sense. It is not the job of a BR player to make a DVD look better. If it does do that then great. If it does not, and your TV does a better job, then let the TV do it. A BR player does not force you to use it's upconversion. A BR player is suppossed to play BR DVDs, and a regular DVD cannot do that.

BD was forced into providing up-conversion because of its competitor format (DVD and HDDVD) but never really cared so for that simple reason you are right. In the case of the OP (and many that already own many DVDs) the best option is a good quality upscaler (unless your TV already provides you with great quality of upscaling).

Finally, it baffles me that most will put down (consider low end) Sony and when it comes to BD player they'll jump on it eyes closed. While Sony is the creater of BD, it doesn't mean it is the best product out there (As an example; look at Black & Decker tools, great idea for new products but the brand it self is crap! We should see it with the same eyes and thinking when it comes to Sony products!!!).

Micah Cohen wrote: »

We might be too late, man. I think the patient's DOA.

But I never say never, ok?

MC

Hah.

TECHNOKID wrote: »

You could be quite content with 480i on a 32" as this size TV is much too small to really see huge difference between 480i and 1080p. In order to see any slight difference between the DVD and HD rez, you need a TV of good quality with minimum of 40+" and 50"+ for any significant difference.

I know that's what everyone says, but hell, go to youtube and play a 480 video on your 14.1 inch laptop, then play a 720... tell me if you see a difference. 1080p on a 15.6 inch screen looks so much nicer than 720 on that same size screen (in my opinion). Also, for the price, there is no sense in not going with 1080p anymore.

TECHNOKID wrote: »

No, 2 different technologies that are included within the same player to allow you backward compatibility along with PQ gain (thanks to Toshiba).'

I was being sarcastic

Micah Cohen wrote: »

And this is what I like about DVD. It renders film the most film-like. I want "imperfection." I want black blacks. I want grain. I want texture and depth. I don't want mosquitos and dot-crawl and bright glare and "three-dee."

my biggest problem with dvd is how blurry the image... there is no detail. I think bluray is a step towards solving this problem (I still think that my 61 inch tv should have higher resolution than my 15 inch laptop). I guess I missed all this grain stuff. Isn't it possible that blurays will have the same quality use see in dvds? After all, a dvd and bluray have the same source (whatever filmed it), it's just bluray has less compression and keeps more detail than dvd.

After all, it's not as if they used film to record the movie for you DVD lovers and then some kid with a fancy new digital camera came behind them to record for the BR. Same source, should have the same qualities, only better.. since there is less compression....

TECHNOKID wrote: »

Actually, it fits me that HDDVD failed to succeed as I got great pricing on my players and the HDDVD contents that are still available can be had at ridiculus pricing. Most HDDVD players are also great upscalers for for DVD content. I never cared for "Blurry" and am quite content with the great HDDVD-upscaler players I acquired for a decent price.

It's all about perspective. You're being positive while I'm being negative:o:D

well as stated before he doesn't intend to buy any of the old movies he has on blue ray so who knows.

Honestly all blue ray players can be different dependent on their upscaling, so its understandable if he didn't like the picture of one. However I feel that in order to get a feel for what blue ray is all about a film that was intended to be seen on the player should be played and then a decision should be made.

There are several sources to let you know what films are highly rated in terms of PQ and SQ for blues.

It really shouldn't be this hard, nor raise this much argument. If he doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. But it also should be tried first before opinions can be made, as should be a lot of things in life. Its like a child with a healthy food, did you try to eat it? no, well then how do you know you don't like it, you don't now do you?

who knows, maybe he would pop in a blue ray, be so blown away from the PQ that he craps himself in the middle of the room and stand there in pure awe of the whole thing...

then steps in it.