Breaking Bad
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bobman1235 wrote: »You bring the "personal attacks" on yourself by being so aggressive every time people try and disagree with you in the least. If you'd just make your points without being a defensive **** there wouldn't be any issue, because you make some great points, especially in that last post. But the idea of YOU being offended after all the crap you sling at everyone else is laughable.
Heh, you're a hypocrite.
I disagreed with your statements and gave justification. You in turn called me naive because I have a differing point of view. I told you to get over yourself, it was just a show to which you responded with:bobman1235 wrote: »Naive about the TV show, not about life, dinkus. Stop being such a sensitive baby.
You're justifying the acts of a sociopath. I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but you're just wrong. The creators have gone out of theri way to show what a monster Walter has become, and the fact that you don't see that makes me think you're watching a different show.
Dinkus? Sensitive baby? Really? And I'm the one with the "aggressive response" because someone "disagreed with me"? On top of that, I said you were a genius in response to your post calling me a "dinkus" and a "sensitive baby". Not quite the same tact that you have taken.
You're off your rocker.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Jstas, I do agree with some of your arguments but I think the producers are trying to show that Walt is slowly declining into the same type of person as Gus and Mike and at the same time Jesse is being portrayed as becoming the only moral beacon in a sea of immoral characters. I think Walt has gone far beyond self preservation or even preservation of his family. He likes the power and gets a buzz off it. He likes being Heisenburg. In the last episode he even wore the glasses and hat again in his meeting with Gus in the desert. He wants to think that he's still doing this all for his family but reality is he gets off on it and especially likes the mental chess games with Gus. I don't know if sociopath is the right word yet for Walt but he's certainly ignoring societies rules and norms in order to further his "cause" whatever that may be. As for Skylar, I think they are just trying to show how being in an imoral environment can cause moral decay. Same with her sister. Hank on the other is another character clinging to his morals but also paid a heavy price for Walt's actions. If you total all the people in the show who have been affected or died by Walt's "plan", the list is huge. And I believe they are showing Walt's skin growing thicker and thicker as the series goes on. He is less and less affected personally by all the death and mayhem, and even in my opinion is beginning to really enjoy it. My .02
I can see that. But, like you say Skyler and the others have been corrupted by an immoral environment, I think Walt is being corrupted as well. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a sociopath. But being surround by sociopaths as he is with a conflicted moral compass, it's leading him to adopt the same behavioral tendencies as the sociopaths he deals with. Unlike the sociopaths he deals with, he has a discernible conscience he tends be conflicted due to his conscience. That's the anti-sociopath I think.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Jesse is the one I believe most conflicted. On one hand he thought nothing of going to his support group with his dealer buddies and praying on the vulnerabilites of the druggies trying to clean up, but when he sees them as real people (his current girlfriend for example) he has a hard time going through with corrupting them again. And then his true soft spot is obviously children Remember the episode where he had to collect from the junkies who ripped him off? He really felt for the child of the junkies and made sure it didn't see the mess after the ATM crushed the one. He is constantly walking the line of moral goodness versus what Jesse wants. By the way, the actor portraying Jesse is superb. Totally believable in that role.SDA-1C (full mods)
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Walt has accepted the fact that he's now a criminal. Again from what I said awhile back part of the decision behind killing Jesse's girlfriend was about what was happening to Jesse. He killed those two drug dealers, because he knows there's still an innocence to Jesse.
The Gale decision was tough, and I think wrong of course he's not a 100% innocent when you start cooking meth. I think the right thing to do was give up Gus like Jesse suggested.Setup:
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Jstas, why so hung up on the word sociopath? Did someone have a clinical diagnosis somewhere in their past they disagreed with?
Seriously, whatever you want to call it... Walt started off just cooking some meth to make some cash, but he's obviously gotten to the point where he is in fact a murderer many times over and is willing to murder or direct the murder of a (relatively) innocent person, not because that person is any direct threat to him but because killing that person gives him a bargaining position. You're making it sound like Walt's still "the good guy," and for sure, a good guy he ain't.
I think Vince Gilligan's point is that no one is the good guy... that maybe most people are capable of doing some pretty messed up stuff if the circumstances are right. But no matter what is going on in the Walter White character's head, no matter how he or anyone else would rationalize or justify his actions, society would definitely deem him to be a criminal, and anti-social, and a bad, bad man.
All that said... I love Breaking Bad for the same reasons I love the movie The Unforgiven. The themes are very similar, no one's bad all the time and no one's good all the time. We all got it coming, and deserve's got nothing to do with it. It's interesting stuff to discuss, but nothing worth fighting about. It's just damn good fiction! -
I hope they dont try to wrap it all up in neat little bow for the sake of morality" or anything else for that matter.
Gus and Mike are too cool to go. Guys reminds me of The Greek from The Wire, he has so much control but has such a low-key role. Guys like that remain in obscurity for years.
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I hope they don’t try to wrap it all up in neat little bow for the sake of “morality" or anything else for that matter.
Gus and Mike are too cool to go. Guys reminds me of The Greek from The Wire, he has so much control but has such a low-key role. Guys like that remain in obscurity for years.
I hear that. A happy ending would pretty much wreck it. I normally skip over the commercials and AMC crap while watching the show, but I did catch a little blip where they were talking to John Hamm (Don Draper from Mad Men) and he was talking about how interesting and out of control Breaking Bad was getting and how it probably wasn't going to end well for most of the characters. It's gonna be a long wait for next season! -
I hope they dont try to wrap it all up in neat little bow for the sake of morality" or anything else for that matter.
Gus and Mike are too cool to go. Guys reminds me of The Greek from The Wire, he has so much control but has such a low-key role. Guys like that remain in obscurity for years.
I don't want Gus and Mike to go soon either. I'm guessing Hank is going to get involved. He's really taken care of all the guys that tried to kill him. Tuco and his cousins.
I think Gus will remain in Season 4, and Hank will get involved somehow. That's just a guess obviously it can go either way.
The last scene is weird almost to where if they really wanted to they could probably change it to where he doesn't kill Gale.
If you guys are really interested in what the writers intentions on how they portray Walt and everyone else just watch the Inside breaking bad on their website, and read the interviews.Setup:
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I think the other basic cable channels could learn a lot from AMC in regards to original programming, rather than all of that reality CRAP!!
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I think the other basic cable channels could learn a lot from AMC in regards to original programming, rather than all of that reality CRAP!!
Considering Breaking Bad costs ~$3 million/episode and gets at best a million and a half viewers, I think most cable stations would smartly stick to the cheap and popular trash.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
bobman1235 wrote: »Considering Breaking Bad costs ~$3 million/episode and gets at best a million and a half viewers, I think most cable stations would smartly stick to the cheap and popular trash.
If they do that then I will not even waist my time. Breaking Bad is one of a very small handful of shows I will watch. Most of everything else is a waist of time.Sunfire TGP, Sunfire Cinema Grand, Sunfire 300~2 (2), Sunfire True Sub (2),Carver ALS Platinum, Carver AL III, TFM-55, C-19, C-9, TX-8, SDA-490t, SDA-390t -
I totally agree, unfortunately viewers like you and me are still in the minority. The Jersey Shores of the world continue to make ridiculous money while the Breaking Bads get critical acclaim and not much else.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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The ratings keep improving as long as that happens hopefully it'll be a long series. Favorite show since Seinfeld.Setup:
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Actually the creator said he always envisioned it as a 4-season series, so I doubt we'll get anything beyond this next season.
Hopefully he goes on to create something equally great.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
Copied from an interview with Gale the actor.
Q: Do you think there's any chance Gale could still be alive?
A: It's what's so incredible about how it ends. You've created such a terrific character and fleshed it out that then that he would be taken away from you is so profound. He's such a great companion for Walt. You think, "Oh my God, he's finally found a soul that he can connect to," but no... I mean, Vince and the writers are extraordinary people so they could come up with something. However, with a gun that close to someone's face it certainly seems like the result is..Setup:
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Wow, what a series and what an emotional roller coaster ride. I've ignored most of the posts here because I'm only half way through season 2 but wow. On top of what has already been said, I also like how they show production and distribution problems and the unsavory characters you have to deal with in this line of work. Loved Raymond Cruz as Tuco.
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Noooooo! Season 4: July 2011.
My favorite thing about this series is watching Walter go from Anakin to Vader. Wicked. -
Seriously July?? It's always been March this sucks.Setup:
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For anyone who hasn't watched this show but wants to start, AMC is airing all three seasons starting next week. Perfect opportunity to get caught up. And you will be thankful you did, it's one of the best shows on TV.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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bobman1235 wrote: »For anyone who hasn't watched this show but wants to start, AMC is airing all three seasons starting next week. Perfect opportunity to get caught up. And you will be thankful you did, it's one of the best shows on TV.
Great!! I didn't see a lot of the first season. There have been some reruns latley that my dvr recorded but they were not in sequence so this will make more sense for me. AMC has become one of my regular stations lately. "The Killing" is a new one next year and sounds promising too.Yep, my name really is Bob.
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I know the first two seasons are out on DVD. You can probably rent them too.
And, according to Amazon, the third season will be available on DVD as well. Currently available for pre-order.
It'd be a good thing to add to your Netflix queue.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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I know the first two seasons are out on DVD. You can probably rent them too.
And, according to Amazon, the third season will be available on DVD as well. Currently available for pre-order.
It'd be a good thing to add to your Netflix queue.
Yep, been in my queue...currently catching up on Dead Like Me...just not sure how much I like it though, but I keep watching.
Glad this section forum is in here or I doubt I ever would have started watching BB.
I wonder what else I've missed......Yep, my name really is Bob.
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The ones I've been watching religiously have been House, Fringe and Boardwalk Empire. I started watching Lie To Me and I'll admit, it started out stronger than I thought it would but it's been kind of...meh, lately.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Yep, been in my queue...currently catching up on Dead Like Me...just not sure how much I like it though, but I keep watching.
Glad this section forum is in here or I doubt I ever would have started watching BB.
I wonder what else I've missed......
Dead Like Me is a fun little show but nothing special. Put it on hold and get caught up on BB, you won't regret it.
Fun fact about "Dead Like Me" that I didn't realize until way later - the old / lead guy in that show ("Rudy") is Mandy Patinkin, best known as.... Inigo Montoya from "The Princess Bride".If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
Doesn't this start up soon?
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The ones I've been watching religiously have been House, Fringe and Boardwalk Empire. I started watching Lie To Me and I'll admit, it started out stronger than I thought it would but it's been kind of...meh, lately.
house was great until the storylines were so similar, regular person, going about their daily,,,OH MY GOD CALL 911, then house smart assing his way through the case, funny, well acted but eventuall very predictable, hugh laurie was perfect casting for that part.
Boardwalk empire i so wanted to be good,but first time i saw the shriveled up little lead actor, steve buscemi, otherwise one of my favorite actors, fargo, big lebowski,etc., grab a grown mans head, slam it down 2 feet repeatedly into table, incapacitating him, all suspension of disbelief was gone.
Never saw fringe, might have to look it up.humpty dumpty was pushed -
Dagnnabit. You guys got me all excited thinking I missed the season premiere when I saw this thread. LoL!
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New season starts tonight!Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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scottyboy76 wrote: »Boardwalk empire i so wanted to be good,but first time i saw the shriveled up little lead actor, steve buscemi, otherwise one of my favorite actors, fargo, big lebowski,etc., grab a grown mans head, slam it down 2 feet repeatedly into table, incapacitating him, all suspension of disbelief was gone.
Never saw fringe, might have to look it up.
I don't get this. Why do you think that a "small" guy couldn't do such a thing? That's stupid reasoning. It's amazing how much movies and BS like wrestling have taught the general public that small means weak. Besides that, why would you base your opinion of an entire show on such an asinine concept? Whatever, it's your loss.
Don't bother with Fringe unless you can catch up with seasons 1-3 because none of it will make any sense to you if you start watching now.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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