Adcom vs Parasound vs Emotiva vs Sunfire vs Outlaw?

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,409
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    Ok but when you are comparing an $800 amp to a $2k + amp i think that the choice is clear, unless you got lot's of money? Which i don't :( I highly doubt that there would be a $1,200+ difference of "resolution, soundstaging, treble sweetness etc..."

    If you want 2ch duty you can get the xpa-2 and i think it would be safe to say there would be an "improvement" compared to the xpa-5? So for $2k you could get BOTH an xpa-5 for HT and an xpa-2 for 2ch!! Best of both world's? IF i had the cash the choice would be easy for me :o

    @ nooshinjohn: I think cable lifter's are easy enough to make, just need some non conductive material to make the stand's is all. Right? :o

    I think some people spend entirely to much time analyzing/critiquing there system's instead of listening/enjoying them....

    Just my $0.02 :o

    You ARE still learning. There is a difference and it is worth the $$$. Again many are you are speaking in hypotheticals because you've never had any other experiences.

    Again: Those that don't know; don't know that they don't know

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited October 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    You ARE still learning. There is a difference and it is worth the $$$. Again many are you are speaking in hypotheticals because you've never had any other experiences.

    Again: Those that don't know; don't know that they don't know

    H9

    Of course i'm still learning! i'm still alive! :D

    If you can HONESTLY tell me that you know everything that there is to know about everything that there is then you are a VERY special person! Just because you spent oodle's upon oodle's of money on gear does NOT make you any better/more intelligent than anyone else in this forum.

    Pull your nose down from the stratosphere, or your head out of your arse, and CHECK your ego bud. Quit regurgitating the same BS line in these topic thread's, frankly it is annoying and immature.
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    Of course i'm still learning! i'm still alive! :D

    If you can HONESTLY tell me that you know everything that there is to know about everything that there is then you are a VERY special person! Just because you spent oodle's upon oodle's of money on gear does NOT make you any better/more intelligent than anyone else in this forum.

    Pull your nose down from the stratosphere, or your head out of your arse, and CHECK your ego bud. Quit regurgitating the same BS line in these topic thread's, frankly it is annoying and immature.

    He has to resort to insults, because he has no other recourse...mostly mythical claims...Emotiva ruffles the feathers of the big spenders.;)
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    Well, from the other side, H9 is correct. What i don't agree with out of what he said was that the last iota is worth it. It may be to some people. May not be to others. That's opinion, and nobody else gets to judge if it's worth it to someone else.

    It's worth it to me, it's just a simple fact that i can't afford it, and it's very likely that i will never be able to afford it in this lifetime. Until then, i'll have a ball playing around on a limited budget, and see just how CLOSE i can get without dumping a life savings into the hobby.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    speakergeek wrote: »
    He has to resort to insults, because he has no other recourse...mostly mythical claims...Emotiva ruffles the feathers of the big spenders.;)

    Eh....

    I used to REALLY want to try a bunch of Emotiva stuff. Then i got to hear some of it. I'm good on all that. It's good value on the new market, it really is. But there's much better value on the used market, and any number of pieces of gear that blow most of their stuff away on the cheap. Again... just my opinion and experiences, so no butt-hurting allowed.

    On the other hand, i still really want to check out one of their HT Processors. But i have no further interest in them for 2-channel.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited October 2009
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Eh....

    I used to REALLY want to try a bunch of Emotiva stuff. Then i got to hear some of it. I'm good on all that. It's good value on the new market, it really is. But there's much better value on the used market, and any number of pieces of gear that blow most of their stuff away on the cheap. Again... just my opinion and experiences, so no butt-hurting allowed.

    On the other hand, i still really want to check out one of their HT Processors. But i have no further interest in them for 2-channel.

    There's a small handfull of you guys that think you are the last word in audio, and you really give the hobby a bad name unfortunately.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    speakergeek wrote: »
    There's a small handfull of you guys that think you are the last word in audio, and you really give the hobby a bad name unfortunately.

    There's apparently also a small handful of you guys that have no reading comprehension skills, if you want to point fingers. ;)

    Notice the words "Opinion" and "experiences." And also before you point fingers, may want to look around and see if i've EVER condemned anyone for their choices in gear. Hell no i haven't. I don't have their ears, just mine.

    Sooo.... back up and read the post again. Mmmmmmkay?

    You can like Emotiva all you want. Certainly doesn't bring you down a notch in my book, and i'm not going to say their stuff is crap.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited October 2009
    Lowell_M wrote: »
    +1.... but I like ADCOM better, and REALLY dislike Emotiva despite a lot of the positive reviews here. it's always best to get your ears on it and see what they tell you rather than listening to any of us. :cool:
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Emo is an entry level amp. Compared to many other entry level amps they come up short, IMO. They are good for HT. Anyone who wants to know why I don't care for Emo can do a search as I've done a couple write-ups from a recent comparison.

    H9

    And both of these impressions were garnered over a 20 minute span, with reversed polarity....Yep, didn't sound good, go figure....:rolleyes:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,409
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    Of course i'm still learning! i'm still alive! :D

    If you can HONESTLY tell me that you know everything that there is to know about everything that there is then you are a VERY special person! Just because you spent oodle's upon oodle's of money on gear does NOT make you any better/more intelligent than anyone else in this forum.

    Pull your nose down from the stratosphere, or your head out of your arse, and CHECK your ego bud. Quit regurgitating the same BS line in these topic thread's, frankly it is annoying and immature.

    Never said that at all, not even close. But I have heard/owned all the amps in the thread (and more) and I still think you're kidding yourself if you think it can't get better; and you don't need to spend a fortune. I can show you a $400 amp that will be more musical than any mentioned in the title of this thread. It's all about your goals, experiences, and compromises.

    You really are fooling yourself

    Get some experience in this hobby and then come back with real world opinions rather than than supposition based on what you think you might know.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited October 2009
    concealer404 wrote: »
    There's apparently also a small handful of you guys that have no reading comprehension skills, if you want to point fingers. ;)

    Notice the words "Opinion" and "experiences." And also before you point fingers, may want to look around and see if i've EVER condemned anyone for their choices in gear. Hell no i haven't. I don't have their ears, just mine.

    Sooo.... back up and read the post again. Mmmmmmkay?

    You can like Emotiva all you want. Certainly doesn't bring you down a notch in my book, and i'm not going to say their stuff is crap.

    Sorry, concealer404, I was not referring to you specifically...:)
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    speakergeek wrote: »
    Sorry, concealer404, I was not referring to you specifically...:)


    Ahhhhhh FML. Now i feel like a jerk. :( My bad!
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited October 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Never said that at all, not even close. But I have heard/owned all the amps in the thread (and more) and I still think you're kidding yourself if you think it can't get better; and you don't need to spend a fortune. I can show you a $400 amp that will be more musical than any mentioned in the title of this thread. It's all about your goals, experiences, and compromises.

    You really are fooling yourself

    Get some experience in this hobby and then come back with real world opinions rather than than supposition based on what you think you might know.

    H9

    ROTFLMFAO

    Seem's that you are the one being fooled! I can get basically the SAME sound reproduction as you for 1/4 the price! lol Used gear is NOT an option for me, i don't want another's misused item. I like brand new with warranty, thank you :)

    You know nothing about me OR my experience's so for you to claim an understanding of me or my opinion's is totally hillarious!

    Go spend your money, it'll make your e-peen bigger! :p
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  • Lord Vader
    Lord Vader Posts: 167
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    I'm a fool :o



    Well said...
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,409
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    ROTFLMFAO

    Seem's that you are the one being fooled! I can get basically the SAME sound reproduction as you for 1/4 the price! lol Used gear is NOT an option for me, i don't want another's misused item. I like brand new with warranty, thank you :)

    You know nothing about me OR my experience's so for you to claim an understanding of me or my opinion's is totally hillarious!

    Go spend your money, it'll make your e-peen bigger! :p

    Now come the personal attacks............so damn predictable. FYI, the $400 amp I was referring to is new. Anyway ignorance is bliss, if you enjoy your system that's all the matters.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited October 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Now come the personal attacks............so damn predictable. FYI, the $400 amp I was referring to is new. Anyway ignorance is bliss, if you enjoy your system that's all the matters.

    H9

    personal attack's? :confused: I think you need to try a new brand of beer :o

    You can make comment's about other's and their opinion's but you cry foul when the same is said toward's you? I think i see where the ignorance truly is....
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    HTPC
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    ROTFLMFAO

    Seem's that you are the one being fooled! I can get basically the SAME sound reproduction as you for 1/4 the price! lol Used gear is NOT an option for me, i don't want another's misused item. I like brand new with warranty, thank you :)

    You know nothing about me OR my experience's so for you to claim an understanding of me or my opinion's is totally hillarious!

    Go spend your money, it'll make your e-peen bigger! :p

    Annnnnddddd.... this is where i stop agreeing with you further.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    personal attack's? :confused: I think you need to try a new brand of beer :o

    You can make comment's about other's and their opinion's but you cry foul when the same is said toward's you? I think i see where the ignorance truly is....

    I agree with you there bro...
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,995
    edited October 2009
    Lord Vader wrote: »
    Well said...

    My oh my!! still learning and speakergeek just don't get it.

    When I came here to the forum I never said the **** you guys are spouting off,If you can't get the gist of what these guys are saying you never will.

    If this was a hobby to you then for one, you would sit back and take a listen to what is being said. nobody here is talking **** about emotiva or anybodys gear. If your happy fine be done with it, but as I see it your just wanting to stir the pot.

    I come here to learn and see what ideas I can try to do myself to take me to another level. you on the other hand don't, and that is fine but posting the crap your posting will get you nowhere here. personally if this is how your going to be then leave. cause right now your a waste of space.

    Go on and buy all new gear from emotiva and not try anything else that is your choice. but trust me you are missing out. I have been there and have a long way to go. the XPA-2 (NEW) will not out perform the Adcom GFA-5802 (USED). all my gear in my rig is used and looks and performs as NEW, and I spent about $2000 for it all. TT, Pre (2 of them) Amp and CDP.

    Good luck in the narrow minded path your going, If this is a hobby to you then you will need it.

    Going back and reading the post's it sounds more like your the one with the ego and a chip on your sholder not H9.
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited October 2009
    And out come the troll's!! Get back under your rock's :D

    For the record i DO get it, i get that i don't need to sell my kidney and first born to get adequate, enjoyable, QUALITY sound.

    I still love ALL of you :)
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    HTPC
    Intel e5300 | Asus p5q DLX | LG ch08 BD | OCZ 4g reaper2 | WD 1TB | Sapphire 4890 VaporX 1g | Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 | OCZ modXtreme 700w | Antec Fusion remote MAX

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    I don't drink Koolaid

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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,995
    edited October 2009
    You just made my point, You don't get it...
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  • Lord Vader
    Lord Vader Posts: 167
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    And out come the troll's!! Get back under your rock's :D

    For the record i DO get it, i get that i don't need to sell my kidney and first born to get adequate, enjoyable, QUALITY sound.

    I still love ALL of you :)


    The only thing you GET is my vote for 'tard of the week. You are correct however when you state that you do not need to sell body parts to get good sound. You do however need a BRAIN do decipher the signals your ears pick up. I think it best to first find one (learn something)before you decide to give opinions.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    He keeps on jumping back and forth from getting it, to blatantly not getting it. I don't understand.

    Hell, i don't even know if i get it. But i like my system, and i know where my next upgrades will be, and they'll probably be used gear. And that's fine.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    I still love ALL of you :)

    LOL!!! I wish I could say that.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,995
    edited October 2009
    speakergeek wrote: »
    LOL!!! I wish I could say that.

    Then why waste your time here??:rolleyes:
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited October 2009
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Then why waste your time here??:rolleyes:

    There are a few respectable folks who actually post some useful information, and who are nice and helpful.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,890
    edited October 2009
    You will not find anyone here more helpful and "nice" as TOOLFORLIFEFAN... He is one of the most respected members here on the forum. This guy single handedly did more to help SRS owners restore the appearance of their speakers with his new crossover cover reproductions (made at his expense) than most anyone else here. He gets my vote for Polkie of the year. I could go on, but that would be considered ****-kissing.:eek:
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited October 2009
    Thanks for all your input, I'm going to try to get a professional room calibration done and look for a qualified expert to wire the system completely over but keep all my electronics and speakers.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,995
    edited October 2009
    speakergeek wrote: »
    There are a few respectable folks who actually post some useful information, and who are nice and helpful.


    Like stillearning??? "Please":rolleyes:
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,995
    edited October 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    ^^^hehe :D

    Using logic on trolls is useless though Larry. Let's go spin some vinyl instead bro. ;)


    Sounds Good, I was taking a break from cleaning some befor I came on:D
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited October 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    You will not find anyone here more helpful and "nice" as TOOLFORLIFEFAN... He is one of the most respected members here on the forum. This guy single handedly did more to help SRS owners restore the appearance of their speakers with his new crossover cover reproductions (made at his expense) than most anyone else here. He gets my vote for Polkie of the year. I could go on, but that would be considered ****-kissing.:eek:

    I missed the "nice" part. However, I have decided to sell my polk speakers as a result of interacting with you guys. :o
    Farewell.
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