Power amps and conditioners

VR3
VR3 Posts: 29,429
edited May 2009 in Electronics
NO THANKS! I'll pass!

Talk about soundstage and dynamics robbing!!?!?!?!?!?

Huge difference between in the conditioner and out of the conditioner.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,294
    edited May 2009
    I take it you never used an Equitech Balanced Power unit. I guarantee your opinion will change.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,429
    edited May 2009
    Hmmm...

    The MIT does good on the sources, but the Monos consume quite a bit of power...
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  • ward91
    ward91 Posts: 338
    edited May 2009
    Talking about mains ac?
    I have never used a power conditioner (apart from my belkin “pure av” filter cheap plug thingy)
    But i fail to understand how they make a huge difference when the power amp has a conditioned power supply. Often with capacitors holding enough charge to run the unit for seconds after it has been unplugged from the wall.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,432
    edited May 2009
    ward91 wrote: »
    Talking about mains ac?
    I have never used a power conditioner (apart from my belkin “pure av” filter cheap plug thingy)
    But i fail to understand how they make a huge difference when the power amp has a conditioned power supply. Often with capacitors holding enough charge to run the unit for seconds after it has been unplugged from the wall.

    But power amps don't have a conditioned power supply, some have regulated power supply's. Big difference between conditioning and regulating. Perhaps you got the two terms mixed up.

    I don't know of any (amp) power supply's that also condition the AC.

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  • jm1
    jm1 Posts: 618
    edited May 2009
    And you tried which one(s)?

    pearsall001 wrote: »
    I take it you never used an Equitech Balanced Power unit. I guarantee your opinion will change.

    I also have a 2.4 kVA balanced power unit on a 20A circuit powering my entire system. Better than all the others I tried and much better than directly from the wall outlet.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,294
    edited May 2009
    jm1 wrote: »
    And you tried which one(s)?




    I also have a 2.4 kVA balanced power unit on a 20A circuit powering my entire system. Better than all the others I tried and much better than directly from the wall outlet.

    I've had the Equitech Son of Q running in my system since '05. I wouldn't think of running my gear without it.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited May 2009
    jm1 wrote: »




    I also have a 2.4 kVA balanced power unit on a 20A circuit powering my entire system. Better than all the others I tried and much better than directly from the wall outlet.
    I think balanced AC has a lot of merit.I have 500VA Plitron xformer I will be using for my source components.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited May 2009
    ward91 wrote: »
    But i fail to understand how they make a huge difference when the power amp has a conditioned power supply. Often with capacitors holding enough charge to run the unit for seconds after it has been unplugged from the wall.
    What your thinking of is the filter/storage capacitance used to filter out the 120hz ripple,it is completely different than AC power conditioning.Some amplifers will have a small capacitor placed across it's AC input's neutral and hot.It's purpose is to provide some filtering of RF but it can't be considered elaborate line conditioning.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2009
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    I take it you never used an Equitech Balanced Power unit. I guarantee your opinion will change.

    Yeah, and there are a few others out there that actually improve the sound, as well. I use the low end BPT. Highly recommended.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,294
    edited May 2009
    Early B. wrote: »
    Yeah, and there are a few others out there that actually improve the sound, as well. I use the low end BPT. Highly recommended.

    Yep, these balanced power units are the real deal!!! You can't go wrong, the improvements in audio & video are not subtle to say the least. Highly recommended also!
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,120
    edited May 2009
    Early B. wrote: »
    Yeah, and there are a few others out there that actually improve the sound, as well. I use the low end BPT. Highly recommended.


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  • ward91
    ward91 Posts: 338
    edited May 2009
    Fair enough guys, looks like ill have to do some reading on this one :D
    So what do they do ?? make the mains ac sine a pure wave ?? rather than one with noise in it ??
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,294
    edited May 2009
    ward91 wrote: »
    Fair enough guys, looks like ill have to do some reading on this one :D
    So what do they do ?? make the mains ac sine a pure wave ?? rather than one with noise in it ??

    Here's so reading for you...they pionered the whole concept & obtained the patents for it.
    http://www.equitech.com/
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  • ward91
    ward91 Posts: 338
    edited May 2009
    Interesting. Done a little bit of reading, ill have to do some more, but I’ve come across some bt mains conditioners on eBay might have to get one and see what i think ;

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BT-MCU5A-125-Mains-Conditioning-Unit-Cleans-Mains_W0QQitemZ260419290248QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item3ca2330488&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A2108%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
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