The RTi12s Are Up and Running, But...
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comfortablycurt wrote: »The answer to that is very easy to find out.
Try both, and decide which sounds better. There's no way that we can tell you which setting is going to sound better in your room, to your ears.
But there is always some kind of "standard" that dictates what the better crossover would be for my particular scenario and gear -- so I'm wondering if the THX recommendation of 80Hz isn't quite right for speakers with the performance of the RTi12's, and perhaps 60 is...
I am going to test with 60 tonight just to see if there's a difference...And yes, 160hz is just fine for the XO control on the sub itself.
I'll keep that all the way up then, thanks. Can you explain why this works even at this high setting a bit more?Also, yes, I was referring to the Low Pass filter of the LFE channel.
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TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Looks like you have tried both Mike, you may struggle with this till you can get an amp for your 12's.
Mike even if you could spring for an Adcom GFA-545 sometime soon you would be a happy camper..
I haven't tried Full Range for the 12's yet. I just know that's too much of a strain for the 605.
Also, how much does that Adcom run? I don't have an AVR with pre outs is the problem though...:mad: -
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Mike LoManaco wrote: »In the AVR?
At the back of the sub?
Yes and Yes, but if you don't want to run them full range then don't set to large. -
Three knowledgeable and respected members here have given you advice and suggested you try running Audyssey. If you are just going to ignore others advice and keep asking the same questions repeatedly, then why bother asking for help? This is the same kind of attitude that got your other thread closed.Mike LoManaco wrote: »that's also why I am asking everyone here with the knowledge of these speakers for better physical overriding settings that may work for this combination (RTi12's and PSW350).
Okay, let me be member number four to suggest you try running Audyssey. It is easy to run, and if you don't like the results it is also easy to disable.Mike LoManaco wrote: »Your assesments and feelings on Audyssey are a bit skewed IMO however; I have heard dozens upon dozens of horror stories regarding people getting ridiculously "off" readings from running it, and every time I have run it on my 605, the results were wildly different. I simply just trust my judgements on certain readings Audyssey collects -- the crossover points is a great example. This system pegged my R20 bookshelves as "large" with really poor levels in my last setup, and I'd rather just adjust manually. I don't think by skipping this step it's going to "harm" the connection of my 12's to the 605 in any way
Also, to give a conflicting anecdote, I've had very good experiences with Audyssey. I have gotten consistent results and an excellent improvement in sound. I do tweak a few settings after it runs (front to small, and crossover points), but the rest of what it does I have no way of doing manually. Keep in mind that it isn't just a parametric EQ that it uses, but actually works in the time domain. -
SolidSqual wrote: »if you don't want to run them full range then don't set to large.
I understand this. The question has become whether 80Hz or 60Hz (or another unspoken setting) is better for a blend between the 12's and the 350... -
Three knowledgeable and respected members here have given you advice and suggested you try running Audyssey. If you are just going to ignore others advice and keep asking the same questions repeatedly, then why bother asking for help? This is the same kind of attitude that got your other thread closed.
No. The reason I had the other thread closed was due to private-messaged threats and harassment I was receiving. I ask for most of my threads to be closed.
Secondly, I am NOT ignorning the advice of said members -- I am STATING that it is MY experience with Audyssey that I am not pleased with the results normally found, and I would rather self-adjust.Okay, let me be member number four to suggest you try running Audyssey. It is easy to run, and if you don't like the results it is also easy to disable.
You're not getting it. You are going to continue saying that I am ignoring advice with regard to this to put me in a position looking as though I am simply not following anyone's tips -- but that's NOT the case.Also, to give a conflicting anecdote, I've had very good experiences with Audyssey. I have gotten consistent results and an excellent improvement in sound. I do tweak a few settings after it runs (front to small, and crossover points), but the rest of what it does I have no way of doing manually. Keep in mind that it isn't just a parametric EQ that it uses, but actually works in the time domain.
Okay. But I'm not the only one that prefers to adjust parameters manually versus Audyssey techniques; it runs rampant on sites like AVS. -
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Member number 5 to suggest you try running Audyssey.① ⇓-Preference-⇓
◊ Main speakers - SMALL - crossover to 60 Hz,
◊ Center - SMALL - crossover to 60 Hz,
◊ Surround - SMALL - crossover to 60 Hz,
◊ Subwoofer - crossover to 60 Hz,
◊ LFE (Low Frequency Effects) channel - crossover to 120Hz.
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◊ Main speakers - SMALL - crossover to 80 Hz,
◊ Center - SMALL - crossover to 80 Hz,
◊ Surround - SMALL - crossover to 80 Hz,
◊ Subwoofer - crossover to 80 Hz,
◊ LFE (Low Frequency Effects) channel - crossover to 80Hz.
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◊ Main speakers - SMALL - crossover to 80 Hz,
◊ Center - SMALL - crossover to 100 Hz,
◊ Surround - SMALL - crossover to 80 Hz,
◊ Subwoofer - crossover to 80 Hz,
◊ LFE (Low Frequency Effects) channel - crossover to 120Hz.
④ ⇓-Preference-⇓
◊ Main speakers - LARGE,
◊ Center - SMALL - crossover to 60 Hz,
◊ Surround - SMALL - crossover to 60 Hz,
◊ Subwoofer - crossover to 60 Hz,
◊ LFE (Low Frequency Effects) channel - crossover to 120Hz.
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If you're receiving those kind of PM's in regards to multiple threads of yours, then you need to take a look in the mirror to find the problem.Mike LoManaco wrote: »No. The reason I had the other thread closed was due to private-messaged threats and harassment I was receiving. I ask for most of my threads to be closed.
This a different setup with very different speakers, yet you're assuming you'll have exactly the same experience.Mike LoManaco wrote: »Secondly, I am NOT ignorning the advice of said members -- I am STATING that it is MY experience with Audyssey that I am not pleased with the results normally found, and I would rather self-adjust.
I'm only stating the truth. You are given advice, and you either argue about it or ignore it. This is not something I've only seen once or twice from you, but repeatedly.Mike LoManaco wrote: »You're not getting it. You are going to continue saying that I am ignoring advice with regard to this to put me in a position looking as though I am simply not following anyone's tips -- but that's NOT the case.
Uh huh...go ahead and ignore advice, that is fine. I will not be posting anymore on this thread, since I'm not going to waste my time and energy trying to help someone who is unwilling to help himself.Mike LoManaco wrote: »Okay. But I'm not the only one that prefers to adjust parameters manually versus Audyssey techniques; it runs rampant on sites like AVS. -
Mike LoManaco wrote: »I understand this. The question has become whether 80Hz or 60Hz (or another unspoken setting) is better for a blend between the 12's and the 350...
I think this can be only be determined by you, your room and speaker placement. -
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Mike
You need to seriously try playing with the setting then report back. Seems useless giving you all this info if you're not going to at least give it a try. -
Mike LoManaco wrote: »But there is always some kind of "standard" that dictates what the better crossover would be for my particular scenario and gear -- so I'm wondering if the THX recommendation of 80Hz isn't quite right for speakers with the performance of the RTi12's, and perhaps 60 is...
I am going to test with 60 tonight just to see if there's a difference...
Yes, there is a standard that dictates what sounds better. The standard, is judging that question with your own ears. THX recommendations are simply that, recommendations. They are not a 100% guaranteed "this is going to be best" suggestion. They have their own standards by which their soundtracks are recorded, but your living room is not a recording studio. It's a living room, that people live in. It's not an ideal acoustic environment in any way.
Sometimes the THX recommendations aren't going to apply to your specific situation. You mentioned thinking that your sub sounded better at the 180 phase setting, yet you set it to 0 anyway...because that's what you were told the typical setting was. This is a big mistake. TEST it both ways, and see what sounds best to YOUR ears in YOUR living room.I'll keep that all the way up then, thanks. Can you explain why this works even at this high setting a bit more?
I think I've already explained this to you several times...but here goes.
You have your sub connected to your AVR with an LFE connection. When connected over LFE, the crossover in your sub should automatically be completely bypassed, and completely out of the signal path. This is because you are controlling your subs(LFE) crossover point in your AVR, and the subs internal crossover point isn't necessary.
In some instances, due to the design of the sub or any one of a number of other possible factors, the subs crossover isn't completely bypassed, and the subs internal crossover can refilter the signal, when it doesn't need to. Picture this situation. You have the LFE channel in your AVR set to a 120hz crossover point. Now suppose that the internal crossover in your sub is set to 80hz.
See the problem? The LFE channel was crossed over at 120hz in your AVR, and then crossed over at 80hz in the subs internal crossover. What happened to all of the material between 80-120hz? It's now gone. This is because your signal was unintentionally double filtered by both the AVR and the subs internal crossover.
Turning the subs internal crossover up ALL THE WAY, insures that there will be NO double filtering of the signal. This is simply a safe measure. As I said, the subs internal crossover should be automatically bypassed when connected over LFE, but this is simply a safe measure. That's all. There is no specific reason that I'm suggesting 160hz, other than the fact that 160hz is ALL THE WAY up on your subs internal crossover. If the highest setting on your subs internal crossover was 150hz, I would recommend that you set the internal crossover point of your sub to 150hz.
I really did not think that this was that complicated of a concept.
Just to reiterate one more time, your REALLY, SERIOUSLY need to run Audyssey. You say you've tried it before, and were unhappy with the results. Have you ever tried it with exact combination of speakers and gear that you have right now though? No, you haven't. You have absolutely no idea how it's going to sound after running Audyssey, so you shouldn't have any reason to think that it's going to sound bad.
I own an Onkyo 606, and I've run Audyssey on it numerous times. Everytime it's done a wonderful job of setting it up. I've went back through and adjusted different levels and XO points to suit my taste...but the fact is, Audyssey is much more than an "automatic level setter". It tailors the speakers to work in YOUR ROOM, WITH EACH OTHER, and it makes adjustments automatically depending on the material being played.
Run Audyssey. Seriously. It takes about 10-12 minutes to run the entire setup. If you don't like it, it takes about 5-6 seconds to turn Audyssey back off.
No, you are not the only one here that doesn't like Audyssey, but you're the only one in this thread who's had anything to say about it other than "Run Audyssey, it can work wonders".:rolleyes:
You're asking us for advice, we're giving it, and you're not taking it.
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Mike,
Try the FAQ section over at Audyssey. It may answer some your questions. Especially the section on why your receiver sets things to large when they are not. It's Onkyo who has chosen to set your speakers to large not Audyssey. The FAQ also explains why distance settings for the sub don't seem correct all the time.
You really need to run Audyssey then just change the speaker size and crossover point.
You also need to try your speakers set to large. You might be surprised at what the Onkyo is capable of. Its not like you will hurt anything or damage the speakers. I believe you are over thinking and underestimating what your receiver can do.
I also included a link to an SPL calculator. With the info I gave it in regards to your system. It stated you could achieve over 100db with your current receiver. That's pretty damn loud. Even with my system cranked up I only hit 95 db peaks at the loudest moments in The Hurt Locker.
http://www.audyssey.com/technology/faq.html
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OP seems to dislike Audessey and does not have preouts on his AVR. My next suggestion would be to sell the 605, buy the SC25 which should be plenty power and try MCACC. From there make manual adjustments, while keeping the SP(speaker settings) fronts set to full range etc. Many AVS members prefer MCACC to Audessey so perhaps you would also. Go to a BB and get your ears on a Pio SC25 or SC27.Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!
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If you're receiving those kind of PM's in regards to multiple threads of yours, then you need to take a look in the mirror to find the problem.
So I see now...personal, physical THREATS of violence over the kind of advice I am seeking and DVD/media reviews are to be condoned, and I am the one creating the rage in these people to want to behave this way?
Right.This a different setup with very different speakers, yet you're assuming you'll have exactly the same experience.
I've tried Audyssey with various speakers brought in and out of my last setup by friends who came over to try them out; not once did the setup get pegged right.I'm only stating the truth. You are given advice, and you either argue about it or ignore it. This is not something I've only seen once or twice from you, but repeatedly.
Not even going to touch this one. You want statistics on repetiveness? How about once more: I'm NOT ignoring the advice. I took it. I considered it. If I don't ACT on it, I should be tied to the stake and crucified.Uh huh...go ahead and ignore advice, that is fine. I will not be posting anymore on this thread, since I'm not going to waste my time and energy trying to help someone who is unwilling to help himself.
Oh dear G-d...please STOP your drama...it's ridiculous; you know you're baiting me by saying "go ahead -- ignore the advice" when I am taking it all into consideration...
Jesus H. Christ man...I'm not "helping myself" because I don't want to use Audyssey based on my past with it? -
Conradicles wrote: »Hooray for SolidSqual!!!
There is some kind of mental problem here, but I suppose I'll join in your tirade...
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comfortablycurt wrote: »Yes, there is a standard that dictates what sounds better. The standard, is judging that question with your own ears.
Curt,
You know as well as I that what you're stating here is NOT the standard I am talking about...come on...THX recommendations are simply that, recommendations. They are not a 100% guaranteed "this is going to be best" suggestion. They have their own standards by which their soundtracks are recorded, but your living room is not a recording studio. It's a living room, that people live in. It's not an ideal acoustic environment in any way.
I understand that. I am merely asking if a crossover of 60Hz would be better for speakers like the RTi12's with a sub like I'm running. That's all.Sometimes the THX recommendations aren't going to apply to your specific situation. You mentioned thinking that your sub sounded better at the 180 phase setting, yet you set it to 0 anyway...because that's what you were told the typical setting was. This is a big mistake. TEST it both ways, and see what sounds best to YOUR ears in YOUR living room.
I understand. I am asking if the RTi12's would be rolled off better at 60 rather than 80Hz, as another member already suggested they probably would.I think I've already explained this to you several times...but here goes.
Maybe once...but anyway, I was asking for a different reason...You have your sub connected to your AVR with an LFE connection. When connected over LFE, the crossover in your sub should automatically be completely bypassed, and completely out of the signal path. This is because you are controlling your subs(LFE) crossover point in your AVR, and the subs internal crossover point isn't necessary.
Okay...
I am glad you explained this to me because advice I was getting over at my installer's website forum said the EXACT opposite -- that a sub doesn't "automatically know" that an LFE input is being used, and its crossover is still active...In some instances, due to the design of the sub or any one of a number of other possible factors, the subs crossover isn't completely bypassed, and the subs internal crossover can refilter the signal, when it doesn't need to. Picture this situation. You have the LFE channel in your AVR set to a 120hz crossover point. Now suppose that the internal crossover in your sub is set to 80hz.
See the problem? The LFE channel was crossed over at 120hz in your AVR, and then crossed over at 80hz in the subs internal crossover. What happened to all of the material between 80-120hz? It's now gone. This is because your signal was unintentionally double filtered by both the AVR and the subs internal crossover.
Exactly what I was trying to explain with my post to you above -- that it's been explained by others that this may be the case...that the sub is still applying crossover activity...thank you for clearing it up that it may be based on a sub's design.
I don't know if my PSW350 is doing this, but I've moved the low pass knob all the way up to 160...Turning the subs internal crossover up ALL THE WAY, insures that there will be NO double filtering of the signal. This is simply a safe measure. As I said, the subs internal crossover should be automatically bypassed when connected over LFE, but this is simply a safe measure. That's all. There is no specific reason that I'm suggesting 160hz, other than the fact that 160hz is ALL THE WAY up on your subs internal crossover. If the highest setting on your subs internal crossover was 150hz, I would recommend that you set the internal crossover point of your sub to 150hz.
I understand that.I really did not think that this was that complicated of a concept.
That's not necessary -- ESPECIALLY from a member of your caliber and based on your input up to this point. Let's stay on track.Just to reiterate one more time, your REALLY, SERIOUSLY need to run Audyssey. You say you've tried it before, and were unhappy with the results. Have you ever tried it with exact combination of speakers and gear that you have right now though? No, you haven't. You have absolutely no idea how it's going to sound after running Audyssey, so you shouldn't have any reason to think that it's going to sound bad.
I own an Onkyo 606, and I've run Audyssey on it numerous times. Everytime it's done a wonderful job of setting it up. I've went back through and adjusted different levels and XO points to suit my taste...but the fact is, Audyssey is much more than an "automatic level setter". It tailors the speakers to work in YOUR ROOM, WITH EACH OTHER, and it makes adjustments automatically depending on the material being played.
Run Audyssey. Seriously. It takes about 10-12 minutes to run the entire setup. If you don't like it, it takes about 5-6 seconds to turn Audyssey back off.
While I don't appreciate your tone, I will consider running Audyssey.No, you are not the only one here that doesn't like Audyssey, but you're the only one in this thread who's had anything to say about it other than "Run Audyssey, it can work wonders".:rolleyes:
You're asking us for advice, we're giving it, and you're not taking it.
Enjoy.
I have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about here, but I will repeat, once more: TAKING AUDYSSEY OUT OF THE EQUATION FOR A MOMENT, is there a recommended crossover for the RTi12's with its combination of the PSW350 OTHER than 80Hz?
For the record: I too am staying out of this thread (as usually happens because of the immediate downward spiral and gang attacks accusing me of "not listening," "not knowing what I am talking about," "causing the ruckus of all ruckus in the forums" yadda yadda yadda when it comes to my threads) until I report back with how the system is running with the changes I have made. I'll start a new thread for that one, G-d help me...:rolleyes: -
anamorphic96 wrote: »Mike,
Try the FAQ section over at Audyssey. It may answer some your questions. Especially the section on why your receiver sets things to large when they are not. It's Onkyo who has chosen to set your speakers to large not Audyssey. The FAQ also explains why distance settings for the sub don't seem correct all the time.
Yes, Anamorphic, I understand why ONKYO makes these changes within the measuring algorithm; I've read the information on this. I also realize that I can go in and re-adjust what Audyssey has done.You really need to run Audyssey then just change the speaker size and crossover point.
But, so what's left then? Level calibration values and distances? Audyssey has gotten this wrong many times for me before -- I checked with an SPL meter and my calibration levels in each channel were skewed each time, way off. Distances were also handled haphazardly, putting speakers away from the sweet spot and missing by at least five or so feet. :rolleyes:You also need to try your speakers set to large. You might be surprised at what the Onkyo is capable of. Its not like you will hurt anything or damage the speakers. I believe you are over thinking and underestimating what your receiver can do.
I also included a link to an SPL calculator. With the info I gave it in regards to your system. It stated you could achieve over 100db with your current receiver. That's pretty damn loud. Even with my system cranked up I only hit 95 db peaks at the loudest moments in The Hurt Locker.
http://www.audyssey.com/technology/faq.html
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html
Anamorphic, almost anyone on this forum -- or any other one for that matter -- will tell you that the Onkyo I am running is FAR from even capable of running these speakers remotely efficiently...I am only trying it based on Polk's tech advice that assured me it's safe to do so because the 12's are "merely" 8 ohm, RELATIVELY easy to drive speakers. I really don't think driving them at full range is safe for this receiver, or recommended.
You say it "won't hurt anything" but that's not really accurate -- forcing this receiver's amp to drive these RTi12's at high SPLs are going to lead to overcooking the drive or output stage, or possibly causing the cutoff circuits to kick in. Now, you will say "there! Yes! The cutoff circuits will kick on, so you are not hurting anything!" but I mean, come on...is that what we're after here, the protection circuits of the receiver to rear to life? -
Try running them full range. Monitor how hot your Onkyo is getting.
If it gets way too hot, you can't keep running them like that.
I'm gonna give it about a 99% chance that you'd be absolutely fine running them full range.
In either case, it isn't going to hurt to try. Like I said, just pay attention to how hot your Onkyo gets. Keep in mind that Onkyo's do run fairly hot all the time.
Same with Audyssey. It takes 10-15 minutes to do the entire setup. It doesn't hurt to try it. Do you have some pressing engagement that prevents you from having the time to try it?
Is there another ideal crossover point? Not that we can give you. Try another one and see how it sounds. This is all hear say. You're the one sitting at your house with the exact gear in question. Try it. Your ears are the final judge here. Maybe 60 will be better than 80. Maybe full range would be best. Maybe you should have them upside down and backwards with the tweeters disconnected.
Point is...this is your gear, in your room. We can only give you so much info. Some of these questions you're going to have to answer yourself.
Anytime you get new gear or new speakers, you always want to spend the first few weeks playing around with it, and spending some time with it in different settings.
When I say "try 60hz", I don't mean set it to 60hz, and watch one scene out of a movie to make your decision. Set it to 60hz, and live with it for a few days. Set it back to 80 for a while, then try 50hz or 40hz for a while...or even full range. As said above, it IS NOT going to hurt anything to try running them full range. Nothing is going to blow up or start on fire. Simply pay attention to how hot the Onkyo gets. If it seems like it's getting extremely hot, maybe you shouldn't run them full range. Odds are, you'll be absolutely fine running them full range off your Onkyo. I've run both my SDA 2A's and my Monitor 7A's full range off of my Onkyo 606 with great success, and I can assure you that they both present a harder to drive load than your RTi12's. For a while, I was running my 2A's full range as fronts, with my sub as well. The in room bass response I was getting was fantastic, and my sub is nothing at all to write home about.
You've got the gear there, and it's not going to hurt anything to play around with it. You've got all the time in the world to experiment with it. That's what the different settings are there for.
Not trying to be a dick, but just for the record...you're already starting up this "ask the same question 40 times" stuff again.
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I can see you are frustrated Mike, but hang in there you will get it figured out. I know you dislike Audyssey, but in my experience it has never steered me wrong. I run it and fine tune from there and I am done in less than 30 minutes, always satisfied with the results. You have to atleast try it to rule that out as something that is not an option. Every speaker, sub, component is going to perform differently and net different results from Audyssey, just because it didn't work for you in the past, doesn't mean it won't now. Those auto calibration programs are there for a reason, to save you the headaches you are experiencing right now. They are designed by professionals who know what they are doing, and 99% of the time, they do a pretty damn good job, with only minor fine tuning required for optimal sound. When I replaced my Monitor 40's with the TSi 500's I now run as surrounds, I ran Audyssey, and was amazed by the results, I had to fine tune a few things, but all in all Audyssey nailed it. I know I may sound like a broken record here Mike, but you have to atleast try it with your current setup, before you can dismiss it as an option, IMHO. Good luck Mike, hope you get it fixed up.
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You won't cause any damage to the driver or output stage unless you are hearing a distorted sound. Onkyo receivers are capable of more than you think. Just make sure it's open on top with good ventilation and you will be fine.
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anamorphic96 wrote: »You won't cause any damage to the driver or output stage unless you are hearing a distorted sound. Onkyo receivers are capable of more than you think. Just make sure it's open on top with good ventilation and you will be fine.
As stated before. It does not hurt anything to try.
+1, I have always been amazed by what my 806 is capable of doing, I have thrown everything at it but the kitchen sink and it hasn't so much as batted an eye.
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Best advice. Try each and see what works. If none do, then you're out of options.If you think full range is too much, and 80hz is too little, then you should start lowering the crossover in increments of 10 until you find the balance you like (starting with 70hz) -
Second best advice. Once properly powered, the 12s are actually capable of playing lower than the 350.TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Looks like you have tried both Mike, you may struggle with this till you can get an amp for your 12's.
Mike even if you could spring for an Adcom GFA-545 sometime soon you would be a happy camper..
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Ouch... I hadn't read far enough before I posted to see what a mess this thread has become...:o
