Is it socially irresponsible to use a diesel truck to commute...
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I wasn't assuming anything about your situation, just about the comments that have come about. Every individual situation is different, but the backlash against the environmentalists has gone over the edge IMHO.
If driving is your only real option, and you want a truck as opposed to a Prius, I couldn't care less. If you buy a truck, or drive 2 blocks in sunny California to the 7-11 just cuz you think you're sticking it to Al Gore (or maybe even worse, because you're a lazy sloth) then I just think it's stupid.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
Jstas - I thought I tried to indicate my comments were what "I" would consider socially irresponsible for "me", I was trying to avoid a general indictment of anyone else. In the scenario you describe where there isn't an easy or safe way to walk or bike, then I totally agree. That issue was left open in your original question. It's not about who is more or less a person than anyone else, it's about the personal values we have and how those drive our decision process when faced with the issue you presented.DKG999
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bobman1235 wrote: »I wasn't assuming anything about your situation, just about the comments that have come about. Every individual situation is different, but the backlash against the environmentalists has gone over the edge IMHO.
If driving is your only real option, and you want a truck as opposed to a Prius, I couldn't care less. If you buy a truck, or drive 2 blocks in sunny California to the 7-11 just cuz you think you're sticking it to Al Gore (or maybe even worse, because you're a lazy sloth) then I just think it's stupid.
Well, I can drive 2 blocks but put 4 blocks worth of distance on the odometer.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Well, I can drive 2 blocks but put 4 blocks worth of distance on the odometer.
Too funny!!!
All this talk reminds me of the book, "Stuff White People Like." I don't know any of your ethnicities and could care less. I'm a white male myself. But Number 9 on the list is pretty hilarious, "Making you feel bad about not going outside"
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/20/9-making-you-feel-bad-about-not-going-outside/
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Well, I can drive 2 blocks but put 4 blocks worth of distance on the odometer.
How is this possible?? Drive around in circles?polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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Huge nasty burnouts.
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Serendipity wrote: »How is this possible?? Drive around in circles?
I would assume he means 2 blocks to the store + 2 blocks back = 4 blocks -
...if your commute is less than 2 miles to a train station?
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Ah, see, not the question I asked. I didn't ask about walking.
Besides, both of you live in areas where heavy snowfall occurs as well as temperatures well below freezing. How walking is considered an option for either of you is hard for me to understand.
Because some people have realized that going out in the cold for a short actually won't kill you?
I regularly walk to numerous places in the winter. I'm about to take a walk down to the gas station that's about 6 blocks away actually.The nirvana inducer-
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I walked a mile and a half the other day... i ran out of gas a mile and a half down the road from the gas station.I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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Serendipity wrote: »How is this possible?? Drive around in circles?
Almost 600 pound feet of torque in a 4500 pound pickup truck with barely any weight on the rear wheels.
I've gotten the speedometer to read 70+ MPH while standing still.
That wasn't exactly smart or good for the truck but it was a TON of fun!
It was done in the burnout box at the dragstrip too so I wasn't being a reckless hooligan on the street.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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comfortablycurt wrote: »Because some people have realized that going out in the cold for a short actually won't kill you?
I regularly walk to numerous places in the winter. I'm about to take a walk down to the gas station that's about 6 blocks away actually.
There is a difference between cold and 19 degrees with a 30 mile an hour wind in 2 feet of snow.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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As stated above, not socially irresponsible, but not great for the diesel as you never let it warm up.
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bobman1235 wrote: »Every individual situation is different, but the backlash against the environmentalists has gone over the edge IMHO.
If driving is your only real option, and you want a truck as opposed to a Prius, I couldn't care less. If you buy a truck, or drive 2 blocks in sunny California to the 7-11 just cuz you think you're sticking it to Al Gore (or maybe even worse, because you're a lazy sloth) then I just think it's stupid.
Do you really believe anyone here chooses what kind of vehicle to buy or how to drive it in order to stick it to some bloated **** ex-pol who has bilked corporations and individuals out of billions of dollars (maybe more) collectively?
I know you're smarter than that.
Don't get me wrong, I'll admit that on that stupid National Lights Out Night I go out of my way to make sure my house is lit up like a Christmas tree. Why? It's a tiny way to rebel against hysterical movements that serve no real purpose.comfortablycurt wrote: »Because some people have realized that going out in the cold for a short actually won't kill you?
I regularly walk to numerous places in the winter. I'm about to take a walk down to the gas station that's about 6 blocks away actually.
Do you have a full time job? Do you have lots of stuff to carry to your job/school? Do you wear nice clothes as a part of your job? Do you have children to pick up from school/daycare? Do you have classes to get to after work?
These are all rhetorical questions.
Point being that most of us pack more into a 24 hour day than we did even 20-30 years ago. The reasons one may choose not to walk 2 miles in the middle of winter are numerous. Know what, though? Its awesome that you make it work for you.
I don't know why people act so ashamed of living in a country where we have numerous options and the freedom to make choices. -
There is a difference between cold and 19 degrees with a 30 mile an hour wind in 2 feet of snow.
It's 52 today in LA. To me, that's cold! I guess it's all relative. -
BTW, isn't it kind of ironic that we are debating social responsibility of driving a couple miles when most of us don't even think twice about hundreds (if not thousands) of watts of electricity we use in our never ending quest to achieve musical and home theater bliss?
Maybe ironic isn't the correct word. Probably should be hypocritical. -
I'm socially responsible because my D-class amps use less energy than traditional Class A designs. Of course, that means I have to turn my heat up to warm my downstairs listening room, which of course uses more energy. It's a crap shoot.
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There is a difference between cold and 19 degrees with a 30 mile an hour wind in 2 feet of snow.
19 degrees with 30 mph wind (strong breeze) is a little chilly, but not exactly cold yet so you're right.
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19 degrees with 30 mph wind (strong breeze) is a little chilly, but not exactly cold yet so you're right.
So, tough guy, if cold doesn't bother you, why'd you move to Texas?Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Bob, when I want to exercise, I go to the gym where I can use a treadmill that has some give in comfortable environment so that my fat, lazy, diabetic **** won't hurt my arthritis riddled joints. The exercise will certainly help with my diabetes and racked joints.
When I need to go to the store that is probably about 1/2 mile away from my home I drive.
John asked a question about "Social Responsibility." I look out for number 1 first which means me, my wife and my child. If being "Socially Responsible" means paying more money out (of which our meager income just gets us by) to make the greenies happy then eff them. Although one could argue that saving gas by walking to the store would help my financial situation then that makes sense to me. Otherwise I would like to take that phrase "Socially Responsible" and shove up the person's arse who first coined the phrase. -
Al Gore, and the rest of the Green ****'s can line up, take a number, and SUCK my hairy left ****!:eek::pI refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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hearingimpared wrote: »Bob, when I want to exercise, I go to the gym where I can use a treadmill that has some give in comfortable environment so that my fat, lazy, diabetic **** won't hurt my arthritis riddled joints. The exercise will certainly help with my diabetes and racked joints.
When I need to go to the store that is probably about 1/2 mile away from my home I drive.
John asked a question about "Social Responsibility." I look out for number 1 first which means me, my wife and my child. If being "Socially Responsible" means paying more money out (of which our meager income just gets us by) to make the greenies happy then eff them. Although one could argue that saving gas by walking to the store would help my financial situation then that makes sense to me. Otherwise I would like to take that phrase "Socially Responsible" and shove up the person's arse who first coined the phrase.
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Do you really believe anyone here chooses what kind of vehicle to buy or how to drive it in order to stick it to some bloated **** ex-pol who has bilked corporations and individuals out of billions of dollars (maybe more) collectively?
I know you're smarter than that.
Don't get me wrong, I'll admit that on that stupid National Lights Out Night I go out of my way to make sure my house is lit up like a Christmas tree. Why? It's a tiny way to rebel against hysterical movements that serve no real purpose.
I wouldn't count it out so quickly. The "National Lights Out" nonsense is a perfect example of the lengths people go to "rebel". I hope I make it clear that I don't blame people for striking back; I think the green movement is largely a crock and at teh very least perpetrated by hypocritical jackasses trying to bilk money out of money. But people go to LENGTHS to show they are NOT green, and I find it retarded.
As mentioned, this has little to nothing to do with the original purpose of this thread.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
Wish I only had to drive 2 miles one way!
I agree with the short stops that taxes a diesel. If I had one I might check into making biodiesel. Maybe buy a motorcycle, scooter or a bike. But I damn sure wouldn't rely on one of the latter 3 to get me to and from everyday. Rain, snow....wind, yeah I would be driving when needed. --Gary--
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hearingimpared wrote: »Bob, when I want to exercise, I go to the gym where I can use a treadmill that has some give in comfortable environment so that my fat, lazy, diabetic **** won't hurt my arthritis riddled joints. The exercise will certainly help with my diabetes and racked joints.
When I need to go to the store that is probably about 1/2 mile away from my home I drive.
John asked a question about "Social Responsibility." I look out for number 1 first which means me, my wife and my child. If being "Socially Responsible" means paying more money out (of which our meager income just gets us by) to make the greenies happy then eff them. Although one could argue that saving gas by walking to the store would help my financial situation then that makes sense to me. Otherwise I would like to take that phrase "Socially Responsible" and shove up the person's arse who first coined the phrase.
How about just a functioning, normal, member of society?
You should look out for number 1 first, of course, I just don't understand why people go out of their way to be ****, or why it inspires ire when someone essentially says "consider the rest of the world when making a decision." Especially when you same jerkoffs pretend to be religious, considering Jesus's number one frickin decree was supposedly about treating others well.
Put it this way... there's no law against farting in an elevator, but it still makes you an ****.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
Point being that most of us pack more into a 24 hour day than we did even 20-30 years ago. The reasons one may choose not to walk 2 miles in the middle of winter are numerous. Know what, though? Its awesome that you make it work for you.
This is how"social responsibility" should be defined, making it work in your life. An honest citizen respects others, while doing what's best for him. To quote Josey Wales, "The government don't live with people, people live with people." -
bobman1235 wrote: »I wouldn't count it out so quickly. The "National Lights Out" nonsense is a perfect example of the lengths people go to "rebel". I hope I make it clear that I don't blame people for striking back; I think the green movement is largely a crock and at teh very least perpetrated by hypocritical jackasses trying to bilk money out of money. But people go to LENGTHS to show they are NOT green, and I find it retarded.
As mentioned, this has little to nothing to do with the original purpose of this thread.
Yeah, but dude...what is more hysterical, the fact there's something as ridiculous as a National Lights Out Night in the first place or that a guy would do the opposite of what that movement wants as nothing more than a show of non-conformity? Its symbolic and has no impact on anything, just like such movements like National Lights Out Night have no impact.
The way I see it, if you don't reject this group think nonsense it will go from simply annoyance to pervasive and oppressive (who can argue its not now?).
I don't agree that people are making buying decisions on 20-40+ thousand dollar vehicles just to stick it to these green loons. -
I dont' think it is socially irresponsible at all. I live 48 miles from work because I dont' like the town my company is in. How's that for responsible? Traveling 2 miles to take mass transit is quite responsible.
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Point being that most of us pack more into a 24 hour day than we did even 20-30 years ago. The reasons one may choose not to walk 2 miles in the middle of winter are numerous. Know what, though? Its awesome that you make it work for you.
This is how"social responsibility" should be defined, making it work in your life. An honest citizen respects others, while doing what's best for him. To quote Josey Wales, "The government don't live with people, people live with people."
Right on.
Another point...ever seen anyone give someone crap for walking to work? Never.
Its always the other way around.
