Going seperates! Woo hoo!

VR3 · May 2003

LoL, all in the title.
I am moving along in my seperates journey!
Purchased an Adcom amp at 9 oclock today on ebay!
Now after i get my amps, center channel, and center channel cabinet, what next? I might buy a new subwoofer, but I doubt it!

Here is what I might buy this year...all depends...
1 more Adcom amp (GFA 545II
Center Channel (CSi40)
Center Channel Cabinet
Banana Plugs
Power Line Conditioner
Tuner

or

1 more Adcom Amp (GFA 545II)
Center channel (CSi40)
Center Channel cabinet
Banana Plugs
*sale the M&K on ebay* and buy a Mid Line Box sub from SVS. the pb plus 2 or w/e. The one with 3 ports, (2) 12 inch woofers. ETC...that one. All depends on my year! But I dont know which road to take. Any advice is welcome! Thanx in advance!

VR3 · May 2003

let me think about it...$400 PE, 1000 Adcom...does the same thing...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......ill take the PE!

VR3 · May 2003

yeah. funds dont allow em right now. I can only settle for what I can afford. But once the funds are there, I will purchase an Adcom pre! (and better cables...lol)

brettw22 · May 2003

Sid,

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but are you telling us that you're doing something that you've already been doing for a while now?

VR3 · May 2003

yeah, im aksing where the el i need to go! lol! Sale the sub? keep the sub? buy a seperate tuner? buy a line conditioner?????/ well? what do i need to do?

VR3 · May 2003

Originally posted by ATCVenom
keep the sub.
forget the tuner....
get a cheap ups....... unless your wiring in the home is absolutely worthless, its doubtfull you will notice a sonic difference.

better wire, is what you need my friend. Better wire. Let IXOS enter your life.

Wire is when i get my own house, dont wanna spend all my money on expensive wire in my small room. However I plan on saleing my M&K.

VR3 · May 2003

ok...fine, ill get these at christmas. GIve it a rest WILL YA???? http://accessories4less.com/aless4/Corporate/itemdesc.asp?CartId=1-ACCWARE-4619670OEWFG40&ic=HT%2D222&cc=&tpc=

thats cheaper than HD! 30 bucks per 50 foot. So 90 for 150 feet! Coolio! NO! WAIT! THATS NOT CHEAPER! THATS 40 dollars more expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

dthomps · May 2003

No Sid, really you might want to take their advice. Wire (and interconnects) WILL make a difference, especially since you will be making an upgrade from stuff included in the box to at least entry-level wire. Most of the debate you see around is for mediocre stuff to really expensive stuff- there are those who hear the difference and those who dont- but most everyone I have talked to agree that at least some good interconnects are worth buying. It isnt that expensive, and you will appreciate it. Not only that but you can use it when you move out or whatever; interconnects are interconnects. You can use them on your system now and on any system you will own. Really just a thought, but I mean maybe just try some nice ones for your DVD player and see if you can hear/see a difference? I mean, c'mon we are talking about $30 or less. Whatever you decide to do good luck with your system. Peace. Mike

VR3 · May 2003

The only interconnects I upgraded too are ratshack gold cables. They work for me, picture was slightly better, and sounded slightly better, nothing major. I got rid of the factory cables a LONG time ago.

rs159 · May 2003

And you still don't have a real digital connection from DVD to receiver, no? So the best you can do is PL2 and the like, no?

VR3 · May 2003

right, i am buying all the cables (including new speaker wire at the end of the year!)

rs159 · May 2003

So you can drop a hundred or two for a new amp but you cant spend <20 for a friggin cable? hmm.....

VR3 · May 2003

YEP! Thats right! lol! Personally, I dont see *how much* of a difference wire/cables can do. The only thing I plan to upgrade is all my components to S-video, and digital coax! Thats bout it! I also plan to upgrade the speaker wire and use banana plug connects! Thats the only! I mean only! cable/wire upgrade I plan to do, I doubt I will upgrade the speaker wire, it sounds good to me!

rs159 · May 2003

The difference between analog and digital surround is the difference it can make.

Speaker wire can make a difference. Think about it - would you rather walk through a nice 7 foot stainless steel pipe and come out just fine on the other end or crawl through a 4 foot sewage pipe with all kinds of nasties floating around and you are all brown and smell bad when you come out?

With separates, interconnects can make the difference. A lot of people try a lot of different kinds until they find the right ones. Don't fall into the "good enough" trap, there's better sound out there for less than you'd think.

VR3 · May 2003

Im going to invest on thoughs cables sean recomended. 90 bucks for 150 feet isnt bad for 12 guage AR cables. Ill take a dive into that.

VR3 · May 2003

Yall mise well get over it, im not going to spend 200-300+ on speaker wire. Thats insane. When i get a bigger system, bigger house! (and not an effin bedroom) yeah, I will get good cable, like Mit Terminators, but not no time soon! AR Cables will do fine!

F1nut · May 2003

Ah Grasshopper, much to learn.

RuSsMaN · May 2003

I wouldn't call him a hopper yet, he's still a Pupa in my book.

Cheers,
Russ

VR3 · May 2003

well when yall loan me to money to buy *the learning tools*, Ill spend it.

::Man who is happy, yet broke, dies.::

dcarlson · May 2003

Are you guys suprised with the answers Vr3's giving? Here's one of his threads that gives a few answers.

http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9450&highlight=speakers

Vr3, I don't want to rag on you man but what are you looking for? Why go separates if your not going to use them to their potential? If you don't think cables are worth money, buy a good set of interconnects from a place with a return policy, try them, if you don't hear a difference bring them back. I don't understand.

Derick.

VR3 · May 2003

Ok, wait wait - lets recap. My mains, 300 dollars. You want me....to buy speaker wire....that cost as much as my mains...................................................................................................................................................Yall are insane! 100 dollars for me, 150 feet of wire, is all im going to spend. Stop nagging me! You want me to buy better AV cables...sure...but im not going to spend more than 100 dollars on em, I need 6 feet per run.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F015%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1080 (1 cable)

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F015%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1002 (12 cables)

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F015%5F003%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1070 (1 cable)

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F015%5F004%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1090 (1 cable)

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F015%5F004%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1092 (1 Cable)

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F015%5F001%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1074 (1 Cable)

3 Spools of AR Cables (12 guage - 50 feet) http://accessories4less.com/aless4/...%2D222&cc=&tpc=

If I were to buy cables, those would be the ones I can buy. They seem good dont they?

dcarlson · May 2003

Hey man, spend what you can afford but give some credit to your stuff and get the Ratshack out of there.

VR3 · May 2003

OK, splain to me....what is wrong with my cables...

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F009%5F000%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D2421

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F009%5F000%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1508

VR3 · May 2003

How about this gentleman, Ill do some A, Bing...I bought an adcom amp and it comes with Lab cables. If they beat the Ratshack cables ill upgrade...is that good enough for yall??? However...if there is no change....ratshack stays!

dcarlson · May 2003

All I'm saying is if you're going with separates, how are going to know how they truly sound if you're using $13 audio interconnects. Don't count interconnects out.

Just a couple of months ago I was very skepticle about expensive interconnects. They do make a huge difference in sound. I tried 5 or six different levels from difference manufacturers and each one sounded different. I live in Canada, everything up here is damn expensive, count you blessings. Your $13 cables would cost me around 20, Kimber Heros cost me over $200CDN.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=KKH%2E50144&product_name=Hero%20Interconnects%20-%20Pair

I'm not saying to go out and buy them but don't rule out the importance of cables.

Has anyone here ever lead you down the wrong trail? Hasn't happened to me.

Don't take this as a cut up, open your mind to suggestions, there's a lot to go around in here.

Derick.

VR3 · May 2003

I found my effin speaker wire! El yes! Looks awesome, will get it later this year, will upgrade to it slowly! Will buy new cables/wire instead of subwoofers. Now leave me the el alone! http://accessories4less.com/aless4/Corporate/itemdesc.asp?CartId=ACCWARE-12217347SCWGB128&ic=IXOS%2D6003W&cc=&tpc=

I will not spend 200 bucks on AV Cables, thats ludicris. I might spend maybe 30 per cable or less, but 200 for one cable? Insane. Simply put.

Frank Z · May 2003

Sid,
Cables are an area that can lead to huge pissing contests. Let me bottom line it for ya...
Some people swear that they hear a difference, others do not hear any difference at all. Try em if you are so inclined, but try to do so with an open mind. There are no rules carved on granite tablets anywhere that state that your cables should equal XX% of your total system price. Spend your money the way you see fit. If high end cables sound good to you, fine, if they sound the same as a bulk spool from Home Depot, that's even better, cuz HD wire won't set you back as much.

Here's a quote for ya to use in your sig,

Listen to the music, not the gear!

VR3 · May 2003

LOL, ill use that one too! BTW - Finally someone with a brain! lol! I am going to get the IXOS 15 guage wire, .69 cent a foot. That wont put a huge hole in my pocket! (Im going to buy a 9 feet strand, and do an A-B test. If I hear a difference, I will upgrade my entire system. After I buy my amps, center channel, center channel cabinet, wire/cable is next! then I am done for the next year!

brettw22 · May 2003

What's funny in this thread is......well.........this thread. Sid's desire for good quality sound doesn't rank near what some of y'alls does, so he can't possibly be expected to see the difference in basic wires and upgraded ones. He's apparently under the impression that theres basic cables for like $10 and another set for $300, and nothing in between.

Not that I'm trying to dictate what Sid's flavor is, but he's told us all over and over that he wants loud. I'm sure he gets a lot of noise out of his system with the cables that he's using, and until he decides to grow into other audible tastes, he obviously sees/hears nothing wrong with basics....

danger boy · May 2003

I tried to convince Sid a while back on better speaker wires and interconnects. They for the most part helped bring out the real capabilities in my system. Good decent (don't have to be expensive) cables DO make a difference.

Not until i made that leap was I convinced of it. Sid start by getting one pair of decent interconnects when you get the funds. I can't believe you don't have a digital cable from your DVD player to the PE. That's just **** backwards to me.

The guys here aren't trying to give you a hard time dude.. just trying to get you to listen to their suggestions.. so you get the most out of your PE. I know you love your PE and your Adcom. Make it work for you the way it was built to do. Poor quality cables and wires are holding it back. Open it up and rock your room.

brettw22 · May 2003

Originally posted by danger boy
The guys here aren't trying to give you a hard time dude.. just trying to get you to listen to their suggestions.. so you get the most out of your PE.

What's the point of even having the PE and the amps and all that if you're not even using the digital connections? Come on Sid.....you can't be THAT dense.

I was in a similar situation before my recent receiver upgrade. I didn't have any digital interconnects, but only because my receiver wasn't digital capable. Once I made that change, I instantly got the cables to better my system. To not have done so would have been idiotic.

Going seperates! Woo hoo!

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