Emotiva
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Emotiva just came out with a new processor that will process all the current HD codecs and has multiple HDMi inputs (single output). Like many new processors, there were bugs when first introduced, but they are releasing firmware updates and seem to be working twords a solution. It is the first pre-amp with those features for under $1,000 new I have heard of (Priced at $699).
That being said - they are supposed to introduce another processor next that has balanced outputs (and inputs) and has a little better sound quality than their current UMC-1. It is speculated to be out in another 4-6 months or so. When it and the new outlaw processor comes out (been waiting over a year for that one and still no word on when its supposed to happen) I plan to order both of them and keep the better sounding of the two and ship the other back.
For the price - these two processors (the Emotiva XMC-1 and Outlaw 997) are currently at the top of the budget group for my needs (and like my budget, both are vaporware right now). I can't wait to see how they compare to each other with my system. When the shootout happens, i will share my results with all of you....
MichaelMains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms) -
It's HIS opinion! And mine as well for the most part. Are you just trying to stir up ****? Personally I have never cared for anything Lexicon makes. Just me though....maybe.
how is that trying to stir **** up??? He gave a perfectly good counterpoint that is no more "aggressive" than what was previously said.
That Lexicon IS a rebadged Oppo. But is this really so hard for some people to believe? Well it shouldn't. Its quite common in the A/V industry....How many TV manufacturers do this? lol...lots. How about projectors! Its laughable how many time the JVC's are rebaged and prices increased by $1000-$2000.
Emotiva is owned by Dan L, who owns a contract company called Jade Designs. The first generation Emotiva processors were rebadged Sunfires. The latest generation is a Identical copy of the Sherbourne processor (minus the balanced outs which will appear on the later emotiva processor). I was actually one of the first UMC-1 owners...but I wasn't a big fan of it so I sent it back (see i'm not all "fanboi"
). The Cary processor is also of a similar design.
I personally am a big fan of Emotiva amps. Are they the best amps ever? No of course not. Will everyone like them? Again, of course not. I do believe though that most people would enjoy them (and no, not just newbs). Sure several people here do not like them. Thats great, not everyone will. But just because it's "entry level" according to you, does not make that a fact. I work at an audio store and several months ago I brought my RPA-1 into work and sat the owner of 40 years down in front of our demo B&W 803D's driven by a Anthem P2 (retails for $3,600). I had him listen to some tunes and then switched out out the P2 for a RPA-1. He listed again for awhile and said, "yeah that sounds great. How much did this one cost you, $2-3K? (he said this knowing that I buy lots of gear all the time...)" I said, "nope, $550, but it retails for $700". He laughed and thought I was messing with him.
No, no, no. I'm not trying to convince you that these products are better than more expensive ones. But for me and many others they provide great sound and at excellent prices. If you don't like them, then great! But really guys...are all the childish remarks needed? It's like some people are trying to defend their honor... It's a HOBBY guys... Now go enjoy your evening
Personally, I'm going to sit back and enjoy some vinyl while drinking wine :cool: Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
So can you tell me specifically what is different between the two players other than Lexicon dropping the oppo directly into their own box? Do you have any actual evidence, personal experience or otherwise to justify your statement? If not, you are blowing hot air. Oh, wait....you have more posts than I do, so you must be better than me. :rolleyes:
Why did you join? For that little gem of wisdom?
It's not snobbery, but the voice of reason. No, throwing money around
doesn't mean always getting better. But better can always be had.
EMO stuff is well priced performance. But for some reason too many
come here to tell us we're stupid to spend more? The CDP thing is
a case of doing your homework. That's why we are here to find good products
at whatever price point we are comfortable with. Some are happy with an IPOD.
Others want the best. Just like cars, tastes vary. EMO isn't at the top of the
dung heap by any means. We don't mean that it's bad. But never mistake a
good value for high end."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
bigred7078 wrote: »how is that trying to stir **** up??? He gave a perfectly good counterpoint that is no more "aggressive" than what was previously said.
lol...look at his response in post #97. Rubin was simply given an opinion and the troll took offense to that. Maybe its just me...but just joining the forum and tell someone they are blowing hot air just scream troll to me.--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Very well said bigred!
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lol...look at his response in post #97. Rubin was simply given an opinion and the troll took offense to that. Maybe its just me...but just joining the forum and tell someone they are blowing hot air just scream troll to me.
honestly, there are some comments by longstanding members that I find very "troll like". But what i've come to find out, it is what it is. EVERYONE has different opinions. Subjects like this obviously fire people up. Over at the emotiva lounge I got on TroyD's case early because I thought he was being a troll with his less than 10 posts. But I qucikly realized I made a mistake and he was in fact not stirring up trouble, so I apologized.
Now look what i've done...i was supposed to be drinking some wine and listening to tunes.
Later. Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
lol...look at his response in post #97. Rubin was simply given an opinion and the troll took offense to that. Maybe its just me...but just joining the forum and tell someone they are blowing hot air just scream troll to me.
And apparently you took offense to my opinion. I was not offended by rubin's post, just saw a comment that wan't necessarily logical and tried to provide a case where the original statement may not hold up. I actually agree that in many cases you get better quality by spending more. I wouldn't own my current Paradigm Signature S8's if I completely disagreed. I also agree that there is always something better, possibly, but not necessarily more expensive.
Maybe my last comment in post #97 was uncalled for, but so is automatically deciding I'm a troll because I am new to the forum. -
^ I take back my troll comment then. --Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Exactly, everyone has differing opinions and perspectives......what gets people fired up is that everyone has the corner on what the absolute truth is. The problem is, there is no absolute (except that maybe Bose sucks...that everyone seems to agree on).
That said, a new guy coming in, like 98Badger...he doesn't have much history here so, yes, it's pretty easy to label him as a **** pot stirrer...and I say that because rather than saying "I think this X...and this is why"....he seems to be making absolute statements which is ridiculous.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
Thank you halo. You are a gentleman.
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That said, a new guy coming in, like 98Badger...he doesn't have much history here so, yes, it's pretty easy to label him as a **** pot stirrer...and I say that because rather than saying "I think this X...and this is why"....he seems to be making absolute statements which is ridiculous.
BDT
I actually thought I was doing the opposite of making absolute statements (that was my intention anyway). I didn't think providing a counter example was an absolute statement. My thought was I don't think you always get more by paying more because the Lexicon has the same internals as the Oppo. I offered my I think this X....and this is why. I am more than willing to consider other opinions if there is something to back them up other than because someone thinks they are right (even if they are). Being a science guy, I've been conditioned not to take things at face value. If I have offended, I sincerely apologize. -
But I will say I don't like the way they look. If a company is going to offer high quality for low cost, I prefer it look like the money was spent on what counts. The Emotiva products look far to flashy for my taste. Flashy looks are fine if the product costs a fortune, but if it's a budget component, flashiness is tacky IMO.
My sentiments exactly. I wanted to like their 2 channel pre w/ phono stage and I read it is very nice, but the garish looks spoiled it for me. A nice plain thick machined aluminum faceplate would have been more handsome, and sealed the deal for me. I moved on to the more expensive PS Audio GCPH phono preamp w/ volume instead. Cleaner looking lines to satisfy my eye, and I gained superior sound while I was at it.
