TT clamp

PSOVLSK
PSOVLSK Posts: 5,204
edited February 2010 in 2 Channel Audio
I wandered across this clamp that looks pretty good (nice website anyway). Anybody have any experience with it?

http://www.bren1recordclamp.com/page1.php

TT is a Pro-Ject Debut III
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2010
    Paul that looks like a weight not a clamp. Joe recommended this to me and it works great and is a clamp that is somewhat like Joe's in design. If you can find one of Joe's that would be good too.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CLTWICL
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited January 2010
    Looks interesting - I'd like to know too.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    thsmith wrote: »
    Paul that looks like a weight not a clamp. Joe recommended this to me and it works great and is a clamp that is somewhat like Joe's in design. If you can find one of Joe's that would be good too.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CLTWICL

    Paul, indeed that is a weight and IMHO practically useless. You'd be much better off with the clamp linked above. If you do go the Clearaudio Twister route I can send you some delrin shims to place under the record to augment the benefits of the clamp.

    BTW Joe Paraski is putting up one of my clamps for sale. I've already recommended this to Harry so I don't know if it is still available.
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    BTW Joe Paraski is putting up one of my clamps for sale. I've already recommended this to Harry so I don't know if it is still available.

    I may probably be interested if it doesn't sell elsewhere
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  • joeparaski
    joeparaski Posts: 1,865
    edited January 2010
    It's still available but I haven't put it up for sale yet. Waiting till the end of my auction on ebay to see where I'm at "moneywise" for that projector.

    Joe
    Amplifiers: 1-SAE Mark IV, 4-SAE 2400, 1-SAE 2500, 2-SAE 2600, 1-Buttkicker BKA 1000N w/2-tactile transducers. Sources: Sony BDP CX7000es, Sony CX300/CX400/CX450/CX455, SAE 8000 tuner, Akai 4000D R2R, Technics 1100A TT, Epson 8500UB with Carada 100". Speakers:Polk SDA SRS, 3.1TL, FXi5, FXi3, 2-SVS 20-29, Yamaha, SVS center sub. Power:2-Monster HTS3500, Furman M-8D & RR16 Plus. 2-SAE 4000 X-overs, SAE 5000a noise reduction, MSB Link DAC III, MSB Powerbase, Behringer 2496, Monarchy DIP 24/96.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    joeparaski wrote: »
    It's still available but I haven't put it up for sale yet. Waiting till the end of my auction on ebay to see where I'm at "moneywise" for that projector.

    Joe

    Smart move Joe, not that I am biased or anything!:D
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,204
    edited January 2010
    PERFECT!. Since it looks like I would be 3rd in line for any potential sale of Joe's Clamp, I may go ahead and get the one from ClearAudio.

    A follow-up question would be one asked a few days ago in another thread: Does it make sense for me to put a $100 clamp on a $350 TT?? I have replaced the stock cartridge with a Shure M97xE (only because I ruined the stock cart:o:mad:). Haven't had a chance to listen yet because I didn't realize I'd need a new counterweight with the Shure. I should have the counterweight by Tuesday.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2010
    PSOVLSK wrote: »
    PERFECT!. Since it looks like I would be 3rd in line for any potential sale of Joe's Clamp, I may go ahead and get the one from ClearAudio.

    A follow-up question would be one asked a few days ago in another thread: Does it make sense for me to put a $100 clamp on a $350 TT?? I have replaced the stock cartridge with a Shure M97xE (only because I ruined the stock cart:o:mad:). Haven't had a chance to listen yet because I didn't realize I'd need a new counterweight with the Shure. I should have the counterweight by Tuesday.

    Paul my $90 TT benifited so yes. That SHure will need a week or so to settle in but should sound good right off the bat.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    PSOVLSK wrote: »
    PERFECT!. Since it looks like I would be 3rd in line for any potential sale of Joe's Clamp, I may go ahead and get the one from ClearAudio.

    A follow-up question would be one asked a few days ago in another thread: Does it make sense for me to put a $100 clamp on a $350 TT?? I have replaced the stock cartridge with a Shure M97xE (only because I ruined the stock cart:o:mad:). Haven't had a chance to listen yet because I didn't realize I'd need a new counterweight with the Shure. I should have the counterweight by Tuesday.

    Absolutely! I've always maintained that turntable manufacturers who don't provide a clamp for their offering should be arrested.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    thsmith wrote: »
    Paul my $90 TT benifited so yes. That SHure will need a week or so to settle in but should sound good right off the bat.

    About 35 hours for the stylus mount to loosen up is a good rule-of-thumb.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2010
    Thats about a week or so for me;)
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    thsmith wrote: »
    Thats about a week or so for me;)

    I can relate Bro.
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,204
    edited January 2010
    My questions couldn't have been answered any better! Thanks.

    Joe, I'll take you up on the offer of the shims. I'll shoot you a pm with my address. I'll gladly pay shipping costs + a little extra for your time and effort to mail them. Much appreciated.

    Paul
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    PM received an reply sent Paul. The shims are on me Bro.
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,338
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    The shims are on me Bro.

    You rock Joe! I'm scared to death that someday I will loose your famous clamp. I also use The Clamp on my VPI to hold the record during the vacuum. The little black checker size screw on clamp doesn't work all that well. The Clamp is a classic!
    Carl

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Thanks for the kind words Carl. You're not so bad either big boy!:D
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  • Nashvilletitans
    Nashvilletitans Posts: 80
    edited January 2010
    I was looking around for a clamp and thought this one looked interesting. The price is appealing enough. I might even keep an eye open for something from the hardware store to be substituted for it and get out my trusty Dremel tool.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CLCLEVCL

    NASH
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Nashvilletitans wrote: »
    I was looking around for a clamp and thought this one looked interesting. The price is appealing enough. I might even keep an eye open for something from the hardware store to be substituted for it and get out my trusty Dremel tool.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CLCLEVCL

    NASH

    Nash, that "clamp" is the same design and material that VPI used on their tables 25 years ago and they abandoned it because it simply didn't work well and caused the record to dish on the platter and had no damping properties.

    As a matter of fact THAT one as well as the Goldmund clamp at the time and a few others are what inspired me to design and manufacture a better clamp way back then.

    IMHO You are better off spending the extra money on the Clearaudio Twister clamp. You will have better control over the down pressure and the delrin base will help with dampening vibrations. You will realize deeper bass, a more stable soundstage and imaging as well as a lower noise floor.

    http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/36249/Clearaudio-Twister_Clamp-Record_Mats_and_Clamps
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  • polrbehr
    polrbehr Posts: 2,830
    edited January 2010
    FYI- Joe, the link to the Twister in your above post shows that it's on backorder as of now.

    Anyone looking for one can also check out NeedleDoctor, same piece, same price. And they ship prettty fast, IMO.
    http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Twister?sc=7&category=12276
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


    http://audiomilitia.proboards.com/
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2010
    Can be found here too. With Joe's shims it makes a definate improvement in sound.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CLTWICL
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    polrbehr wrote: »
    FYI- Joe, the link to the Twister in your above post shows that it's on backorder as of now.

    Anyone looking for one can also check out NeedleDoctor, same piece, same price. And they ship prettty fast, IMO.
    http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Twister?sc=7&category=12276

    Their selling like hotcakes because they got the design right and the proper materials for a record clamp, i.e. brass collet and delrin base. The only thing that surprises me is that they don't offer shims to give the reflex action a real boost.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    With all these retailers selling this clamp, I would think you could barter the price down.
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  • Nashvilletitans
    Nashvilletitans Posts: 80
    edited January 2010
    "IMHO You are better off spending the extra money on the Clearaudio Twister clamp. You will have better control over the down pressure and the delrin base will help with dampening vibrations. You will realize deeper bass, a more stable soundstage and imaging as well as a lower noise floor."


    Thanks for the 411,it sounds like I will be in the market for a Twister or its equivalent soon then. Adios
    NASH
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited January 2010
    Joe,

    If I end up getting the Clearaudio (because The Clamp is just not available), would I be able to buy a set of shims from you?

    Thanks,

    Dawg
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Big Dawg wrote: »
    Joe,

    If I end up getting the Clearaudio (because The Clamp is just not available), would I be able to buy a set of shims from you?

    Thanks,

    Dawg

    The shims are on me Bro. When you buy your clamp, PM me your address and I'll mail them out to you. Better hurry though, I'm running low and won't be making any more.

    BTW have you tried the other websites listed above. I believe they are in stock at the needledoctor and audioadvisor.
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  • jimmydep
    jimmydep Posts: 1,305
    edited January 2010
    Joe, do you think shims would have any effect on the sound when used with the Bren 1 weight, or are they only useful with a clamp?
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    jimmydep wrote: »
    Joe, do you think shims would have any effect on the sound when used with the Bren 1 weight, or are they only useful with a clamp?

    No Jim it won't help with just a weight. It helps stregthen the reflex action of a reflex clamp.

    What would happen if you tried to use the shims with a weight would be that the record would just float over the platter thus negating any benefit you may get from the weight.
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  • jimmydep
    jimmydep Posts: 1,305
    edited January 2010
    Thanks, That's what I thought, but wasn't sure.
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,338
    edited January 2010
    That clamp looks like a waste of money. The ClearAudio is a step in the right direction.

    Joe, we need to get your clamp back in production. Have you found any drawings? I know a local machine shop that might do it. In this economy the pricing might not be too bad. If we could get some preorders and a few investors we'll get your clamp back on the market.
    Carl

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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,204
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    I believe they are in stock at the needledoctor and audioadvisor.

    You are correct. Ordered mine today from audio advisor. By next weekend I should be enjoying my new and improved vinyl set-up:D:D I can't wait.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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