QOTD: Would you buy a FIAT?

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  • jflail2
    jflail2 Posts: 2,868
    edited January 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Penalize an entire car marque for history for some issues 30 years ago. That seems rational.

    H9

    No more or less rational than 1/2 the responses here.....It's like a race to who gets to say "fix it again tony" first, but somehow my experience is different.

    Ever eat at a restaurant, get a bad taste in your mouth and never go back, no matter how many people swear it's better, different, new now? That's kind of how I feel about Fiat. There's too many other brands out there.....why bother.

    Yea, I work with statistics and all that so I see what you're saying, but we do all have a human element (bias, halo effect, etc).....or at least I used to think I did.

    And I don't see anything in that car I couldn't get out of a nice Honda or Toyota, which I feel much more comfortable betting on lasting a nice long time.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    ^I can definitely understand that. But it's that same reason that makes me lust for a Fiat, because the old ones i've driven were so much fun. :D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    edited January 2010
    jflail2 wrote: »
    No more or less rational than 1/2 the responses here.....It's like a race to who gets to say "fix it again tony" first, but somehow my experience is different.

    Ever eat at a restaurant, get a bad taste in your mouth and never go back, no matter how many people swear it's better, different, new now? That's kind of how I feel about Fiat. There's too many other brands out there.....why bother.

    Yea, I work with statistics and all that so I see what you're saying, but we do all have a human element (bias, halo effect, etc).....or at least I used to think I did.

    And I don't see anything in that car I couldn't get out of a nice Honda or Toyota, which I feel much more comfortable betting on lasting a nice long time.

    I am more fair in giving 2nd and 3rd chances especially after 20-30 years. But I understand about your biases, we all have them. It's just been a long time and the company isn't even the same as it was.

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  • jflail2
    jflail2 Posts: 2,868
    edited January 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I am more fair in giving 2nd and 3rd chances especially after 20-30 years. But I understand about your biases, we all have them. It's just been a long time and the company isn't even the same as it was.

    H9

    Fair and true enough. I'll be curious how this car holds up long term...
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2010
    I would not buy a Fiat and for that matter I will do my best not to ever buy another foreign car. Yeah yeah I don't care where they are assembled I will buy an American made car from now on.

    I was giving a lot of thought about buying those Volent monitors but not nearly as interested since they are Hong Kong speakers!

    We all need to start doing more for our country and far less for all the others.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    I would not buy a Fiat and for that matter I will do my best not to ever buy another foreign car. Yeah yeah I don't care where they are assembled I will buy an American made car from now on.

    I was giving a lot of thought about buying those Volent monitors but not nearly as interested since they are Hong Kong speakers!

    We all need to start doing more for our country and far less for all the others.

    I agree with you, but the Fiat merger is a part of keeping Chrysler around, so buying Fiat would help our country. ;)
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2010
    What will help our country is kicking someone like Danny Glover out of it.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,724
    edited January 2010
    A question and a comment:

    Q: is there a 4-door equivalent to the 500?
    C: in an earlier post, someone said something about going to Russia to pick up a Trabant; doesn't that seem like it would've been an odd place to go to get an East German car? ;-)
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    What will help our country is kicking someone like Danny Glover out of it.

    I got your back there. :D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    What will help our country is kicking someone like Danny Glover out of it.

    I'm missing something here. What did Danny Glover do?
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited January 2010
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    A question and a comment:

    Q: is there a 4-door equivalent to the 500?
    C: in an earlier post, someone said something about going to Russia to pick up a Trabant; doesn't that seem like it would've been an odd place to go to get an East German car? ;-)

    To answer your "question", no.

    To rebut your "comment", you are obviously someone who has never been to Russia. Just because it was as East German car does not mean that they aren't prevalent in Russia and other communist bloc countries. Maybe you should read the actual post before you make comments? I never said it was made in Russia. I just said you could go to Russia and get one. Now you can take your "winky face" and shove it where the sun don't shine.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    I'm missing something here. What did Danny Glover do?

    Danny Glover says that the reason the earthquake hit Haiti is because the Earth is mad at us because the global climate change conference failed.

    I guess the fact that the entire country of Haiti is built on volcanic rubble doesn't have anything to do with it because Danny Glover said so.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Jstas wrote: »
    Danny Glover says that the reason the earthquake hit Haiti is because the Earth is mad at us because the global climate change conference failed.

    I guess the fact that the entire country of Haiti is built on volcanic rubble doesn't have anything to do with it because Danny Glover said so.

    Thanks, I missed that tidbit of idiocy from Glover.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited January 2010
    I'll NEVER buy another NEW US vehicle again. NOT after the sweethart deal they got for the healthcare pkg.
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • arun1963
    arun1963 Posts: 1,797
    edited January 2010
    How about this Fiat? Still in production here...:D
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    I'm missing something here. What did Danny Glover do?

    He obviously hates Americans/America. Look around on the internet and you'll see his anti America rant which he had done many of them. I'd really like to run across him someday :)
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2010
    obieone wrote: »
    I'll NEVER buy another NEW US vehicle again. NOT after the sweethart deal they got for the healthcare pkg.

    Dumb move on your part especially for that reason :confused:
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2010
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/15/danny-glover-haiti-earthq_n_425160.html

    **** Glover
    How does more or is doing more than us Americans??

    Sorry for the thread derail but I could not help myself.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2010
    Keiko wrote: »
    Heavy Chevy

    Yes!!
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    He obviously hates Americans/America. Look around on the internet and you'll see his anti America rant which he had done many of them. I'd really like to run across him someday :)

    I'll pass, I don't need the heartburn.:D
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited January 2010
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    Dumb move on your part especially for that reason :confused:

    How so? WHY would I volunteer MORE of my paycheck to supplement the CORRUPT UAW?

    It's like those schmucks who give half their weekly earnings to the state lottery commision. Just seems redundant:rolleyes:
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  • zeppage2
    zeppage2 Posts: 196
    edited January 2010
    My first car: 1976 Fiat 128- 2 door, no radio, no AC, 4 speed

    $3158 out the door!

    I learned to change that clutch cable myself:)
    I remember having a stereo installed and could not buy a cassette deck with radio preset buttons included...ah an Audiovox cd player with Jensen 6x9 coaxials in the rear.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,952
    edited January 2010
    Buying american really has no meaning anymore, since we friggin' don't make anything anymore. Most american cars have foreign parts, so what some are advocating here is that it's ok to buy the parts,just not the whole of those parts. Sounds logical.

    As far as Fiat goes, they never made a dependable product and have given me no reason to think otherwise today. So NO, would not buy one.
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,046
    edited January 2010
    I'll stick with a Honda or Nissan assembled in the US by US workers, but the American auto CEOs have done it to themselves, so no, I wouldn't buy a Fiat.
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  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited January 2010
    Jstas wrote: »
    I think it looks spectacular! But that's beside the point. FIAT has a reputation in this country and it is about as deserved as it can get. Fix It Again, Tony! plays to a stereotype but the stereotype is true. They were regarded as junk, albeit pretty junk!

    Same kinda goes for Alfa Romeo. Pretty but also pretty crappy.

    +1
    I would look forward to an Alfa Romeo convertible but I would wait a few years to read the reliability reports.
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  • Krazyz1
    Krazyz1 Posts: 256
    edited January 2010
    Iv'e worked industrial maint for well over 25 years. We produce sound deadening material mostly for FORD. Most of the machines are Itallian made and are un-reliable as hell , the cheapest parts to make it operate ( if it feels like it ). The other machines are Tiawanees and have a better reliabilty record. If the cars aren't built any better than the industrial machines , the answer is a BIG HELL NO!
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    I really don't understand all the "i'll buy this because of where it's manufactured" stuff.

    I buy cars that i like, regardless of brand. If the other brands can't come up with anything to catch my eye, too bad on them. I've historically bought a lot of Toyotas. There isn't one single car they have in their current line up that i would even bother test driving. (May change when the FT-86 hits). I've bought a lot of Hondas. Same story. Nothing interests me in their current line up. Nissan? Same.

    The only companies that have anything interesting to me right now are BMW, Audi, Fiat (if it comes here), Chevy (unless the Cobalt SS goes away), and Saturn (now gone, so doesn't even matter).

    I don't care where it comes from, i'm not going to "settle" just so i can feel like i did the right thing. It's my huge investment, i'll buy what i like.
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  • HHStuart
    HHStuart Posts: 263
    edited January 2010
    Having owned a Fiat 600 (with a massive 32 HP engine) and a Fiat 124 (fun to drive) I would probably wait a few years to see how the quality was before I bought. The timing belt on my last Fiat slipped and the valves got out of sync with the pistons. For some reason, it stopped running.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,952
    edited January 2010
    Jstas wrote: »
    To answer your "question", no.

    To rebut your "comment", you are obviously someone who has never been to Russia. Just because it was as East German car does not mean that they aren't prevalent in Russia and other communist bloc countries. Maybe you should read the actual post before you make comments? I never said it was made in Russia. I just said you could go to Russia and get one. Now you can take your "winky face" and shove it where the sun don't shine.

    Still all full of rainbows and sunshine I see. Just curious, are you this abusive always, or just around a certain time of the month princess ?
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited January 2010
    tonyb wrote: »
    Still all full of rainbows and sunshine I see. Just curious, are you this abusive always, or just around a certain time of the month princess ?

    Always.
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