When is a Center Speaker Not a Center Speaker?

garypen

halo71 wrote: »

Hell, maybe I am confused. Anyone can turn a speaker on its side. If space is a constraint I would have bought a kit from parts exchange and built a center. Who is gonna want to buy '1' bookshelf now?

Anybody certainly can. I did. And, that's what I was trying to point out to anybody that thought they couldn't because of some erroneous belief that a Monitor 40 on its side was somehow a bad thing.

To me, timbre-matching the components was an important consideration in finding a speaker to fit the space. So, instead of building a dedicated center from disparate components, or buying a factory center that would fit the space but most likely not sound as good (what small centers really do?), I opted for bookshelf speaker that not only fits the space, but is designed to sonically match my front stage.

But, I fully understand your reasoning. I just don't think it works for me.

As for the left-over speaker. I'm sure I can sell it. Or, I can just keep it as a spare, or maybe use it as a center in some other system. But, as the pair only cost $129, it's not that big of a concern.

everpress

Have fun here garypen... I'm pretty sure you aren't shaking things up, just looking really stupid. Please continue to suggest that you are 'helping' people out by turning a speaker on it's side.

Don't bother replying, guy. Congrats. You are the first person on my ignore list, not just because you are spouting 'helpful' ignorance but also because your lack of respect for people in this community is absolutely amazing and deserving of a "You cannot see what this user has posted." because I'm prety sure you'll never actually contribute anything worthwhile here.

garypen

First eh? That's quite an honor. Thank you. (even though you won't know I'm thanking you.)

Personally, I don't use ignore lists. I find them to be the interweb equivalent of covering one's ears, and going "nah nah nah I can't hear you I can't hear you". I do understand why someone would choose that versus actually trying to engage in dialog, though. It's much easier.

BTW, if you ever do read this for some weird reason can you offer an alternative center channel solution to fit in a 17" space that would work well with Monitor/TSi series, that might work better than placing a Monitor 40 on its side? That would be very helpful.

hearingimpared

garypen wrote: »

The problem was not that anyone said they preferred one model over another. The problem was the kneejerk, nearly universal condemnation of using a Monitor 40 in a horizontal position.

Another thing these replies totally ignored was the reason I was using it that way, which was due to size constraints, not because I preferred this model over the others. I was being castigated for choosing an M40 over a C2, which wasn't the case.

So, instead of saying what a poor decision it was for me to choose to use an M40 over a dedicated center speaker, perhaps some thanks were in order for sharing a decent compromise solution with those forum members who might be suffering similar space constraints, and were thinking of buying a poorer sounding center speaker to fit in their limited space.

cnh - There was no need for me to listen to those other models, as they wouldn't have physically fit in my space, which I had mentioned more than once. But, if you would have taken the time to think, you would have realized that.

A little advice here friend . . . grow a thicker skin. Nothing I have read above here was a personal attack on you, mearly opinions based on experience.:) It was when you got your back up and started firing off at people did anyone fire (back) at you. Take it easy and enjoy this awesome Club!

garypen

hearingimpared wrote: »

A little advice here friend . . . grow a thicker skin. Nothing I have read above here was a personal attack on you, mearly opinions based on experience.:) It was when you got your back up and started firing off at people did anyone fire (back) at you. Take it easy and enjoy this awesome Club!

Gotta disagree. But, If I offended anybody, I apologize.

I must be PMS. Which is really making me cranky, as I'm a guy, and that shouldn't be happening. I oughta lay off the Soy Isoflavones.

wutadumsn23

everpress wrote: »

Don't bother replying, guy. Congrats. You are the first person on my ignore list

LOL, +2!!


garypen
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-Jeff

Knucklehead

So...this means I can buy a single R50 lay it on its side across my rack and I would be all matched up! Or....I could buy 2 more CS350LS' and stand them upright and I would be matched up! Nah...Never-mind.

MANSKITO

lawl m8 this is not 4chan, but of course you knew that, and to state that would be an insult to your intelligence.

Play nice with others and they will play nice with you.
Golden rule.

The people here are extremely nice and the average IQ around this forum is rather higher then the general public.

Don't get offended because someone misread or misunderstood what you where trying to say, or they gave you unwanted or unwarranted advice.
They are not fighting words nor are they a personal attack.

Also speaker on its side VS center speaker argument is a highly relative subject on this Thread when you are giving out tips/saying its awesome even if your reasons to why are the center channel is too fat.

But thanks again for the speaker on its side tip.

cnh

Hearingimpaired is right..grow up and develop a thicker skin or you'll never survive here. You don't have the 'faintest' idea of how badly some of our senior members might come down on some one here...and though you may not be a newb in reality there are guys on this site who know an AWFUL lot...and you could learn something from them!

In the end this is a SILLY post...some guy puts a speaker on its side then gets a god complex about it? Hey instead of trying to have the last word (hope you're wife let's you do that at home?) why don't you just give the Polk engineers a call and ask them why they designed their centers as centers. Maybe you might 'respect' their opinion!

Who cares if you put a speaker on its side, really! Do you think NONE of us have ever done that?? You need a time out so you can calm down. And if you respond to this email you merely prove my point about you!

You've got it bad if you have to respond to 'everyone' who doesn't agree with you!

Just how old are you? 13....got an Oedipal complex do we? Hate authority and father figures do we? I'm a Professor so I see this 'every' semester from someone--it's quite tiring and pointless because it never adds anything positive to any discussion in class...it''s just some kid who's working out his boundaries!

I'm outta here. But I do look forward to some real posts by you in the future...
Enjoy the center and cool it....because you ain't seen nothing if you think this is rough treatment!!

When I first came onto this site I had my **** kicked a number of times! You know what? I deserved it! Much WORSE than ANYTHING above.

cnh

MANSKITO

cnh wrote: »

Hearingimpaired is right..grow up and develop a thicker skin or you'll never survive here. You don't have the 'faintest' idea of how badly some of you senior members might come down on some one here...and though you may not be a newb in reality there are guys on this site who know an AWFUL lot...and you could learn something from them!

In the end this is a SILLY post...some guy puts a speaker on its side then gets a god complex about it? Hey instead of trying to have the last word (hope you're wife let's you do that at home?) why don't you just give the Polk engineers a call and ask them why they designed their centers as centers. Maybe you might 'respect' their opinion!

Who cares if you put a speaker on its side, really! Do you think NONE of us have ever done that?? You need a time out so you can calm down. And if you respond to this email you merely prove my point about you!

You've got it bad if you have to respond to 'everyone' who doesn't agree with you!

Just how old are you? 13....got an Oedipal complex do we? Hate authority and father figures do we?

I'm outta here. But I do look forward to some real posts by you in the future...I'm not ignore button happy. I've NEVER cut anyone off.

Enjoy the center and cool it....because you ain't seen nothing if you think this is rough treatment!!

When I first came onto this site I had my **** kicked a number of times! You know what? I deserved it! Much WORSE than ANYTHING above.

cnh

ya a like a week or so ago i posted this link

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

was fast to regret it. Felt like a fool.

wutadumsn23

cnh wrote: »

I'm not ignore button happy. I've NEVER cut anyone off.


When I first came onto this site I had my **** kicked a number of times! You know what? I deserved it! Much WORSE than ANYTHING above.

cnh

I'm not either, this is my first. Just something about this one, the spidey sense is a tinglin, lol. I too had my wake up call when I came in here getting **** cause I thought a senior member was being a little too rough on me, now I consider him one of the reasons I stayed. I think he knows who he is, lol. Some still hate me, but I don't care I still sleep good at night.

-Jeff

wutadumsn23

MANSKITO wrote: »

ya a like a week or so ago i posted this link

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

was fast to regret it. Felt like a fool.

LOL, I remember that. All is for given, you have given some good advice that I have been seeing, and it seems like you know your stuff. Glad to have ya onboard.


-Jeff

cnh

Hearingimpaired is right..grow up and develop a thicker skin or you'll never survive here. You don't have the 'faintest' idea of how badly some of our senior members might come down on some one here...and though you may not be a newb in reality there are guys on this site who know an AWFUL lot...and you could learn something from them!

--I thought I'd save you some time and give you a quote to respond to. You're free to choose anything else above as well.

Just trying to save you some time because we all know what you're going to do...and by doing this

We can see the 'silliness' that this entire exercise has been. What a wasted post this is.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE HAVE THE LAST WORD--I BEG YOU TO--we're dying to hear your wit once more....and guess what we're going to let YOU have the LAST WORD...How's that...Happy?

Feel better now? Good! Glad I could help you.

cnh

hearingimpared

Come on guys cut the guy some slack, he apologized. There is no need to keep rubbing his nose in it.

halo71

garypen wrote: »

OTOH, Halo has offered actual advice. He understood the basic issue, and offered advice based on the situation. He didn't imply I was ignorant about speaker placement or speaker technology in general. He came up with an alternate solution. I disagree with his solution for what I feel are valid reasons. But, I accept it as a valid opinion.

Hold on there hoss. You didn't understand me either I guess. My point was IF you already had those bookshelves, then fine use one as a center. IF not, why go out an buy a pair instead of just buying a "real" center channel.

You mentioned something about being thanked for giving a different option for people. Well to me that is not an option, unless as I said, you already had those laying around. It's not like you invented some new technology or anything.

And you must understand, there are some people here (probably many) that have more money invested in their home audio setups than many have invested in their houses! Some here that have probably owned every model Polk ever made. So you can kinda see how many were less than impressed. And arrogance in a new member is not digested well on any forum by its more seasoned members. Know what I mean?

cnh

hearingimpared wrote: »

Come on guys cut the guy some slack, he apologized. There is no need to keep rubbing his nose in it.

As usual, you are Right. It's cool....

cnh

hearingimpared

cnh wrote: »

As usual, you are Right. It's cool....

cnh

Jeez that's a new one on me, I'm usually told I'm wrong!:D:p

wutadumsn23

hearingimpared wrote: »

Come on guys cut the guy some slack, he apologized. There is no need to keep rubbing his nose in it.

Rodger dodger, I'm done. Was just responding to what other peeps were saying.

-Jeff

Paden501

everpress wrote: »

While you can use a window as the main entrance into a house, it's not necessarily what it was designed for. Sure, technically it's fine and produces similar results. You open it, step in, and wow, you're inside. However that's not what it was designed to do and there are much more realistic approaches, for example a door. Not only do you go into the house in a way the architects designed for you to, you also don't look like a ****.

Actually I'm pretty sure that someone tried this somewhere along the line, and thus sliding glass doors were born.

But back to the point of this thread. I'm not even going to pretend to know anything about the merits of putting a bookshelf speaker on its side, but instead i'll throw out a totally different idea.

Did you try turning the center channel off on your reciever? Many of us (myself included) use a 'Phantom' center w/ our vintage speakers, mainly because of the lack of a well matched center. I personally think that the front soundstage blends better without the center channel at all in my application. Your mileage may vary.

I'm not telling you that your way is right or wrong, but give it a shot if you haven't already. You might like what you hear.

Jdubbs

What about the Polk VM20's...I am thinking of getting them and they act as the fronts and center. thoughts? Gonna fire them up with an elite vsx-23.

cnh

You're OK there. That will work...! Just make sure your tweeters are more or less in a direct line with each other, i.e., the same height.

cnh

Jdubbs

the fronts are going to be on wall and equal with the tv and center in a console under the tv. no good???

cnh

That's not the ideal location...could you put the center on the wall too, or is the TV too high for that? It also depends on just how much higher the L/R speakers are than the center....although the IDEAL is to have the tweeters on the same PLANE other configurations are not terrible. Just try to keep the tweeters as close to the same height as you can...and ideally at ear height.

cnh

wayne3burk

... and don't forget.... you might get that lobing effect with your speaker turned over on it's side for a center speaker

nguyendot

garypen wrote: »

In my TV credenza? But, I already put it there. Didn't I mention that?

I'm pretty sure he was meaning somewhere else.

inspiredsports

wutadumsn23 wrote: »

. . . one thing I have learned being in this forum for over a year, is that no matter how many times you may state your OPINION, it isn't going to change anyone's mind one way or another . . .

Another thing I could add to that list, "My (CP) neighbors are keeping me broke. They are always buying things I cannot afford."

Some would advise you to throw out whatever you have if it can't handle the biggest, baddest Polk center available. :eek:

A belated Welcome to Club Polk.