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http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/12/31/airport.body.scanners/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn
150 more full-body scanners to go in U.S. airports
December 31, 2009 1:05 p.m. EST
Forty body scanners are currently in use at 19 U.S. airports
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Forty body scanners are currently in use at 19 U.S. airports
* The TSA has purchased an additional 150 machines
* Currently use of the technology is optional, according to TSA's Web site
Washington (CNN) -- One hundred and fifty new full-body scanning machines are set to be placed in airports across the United States as federal authorities work to close security loopholes exposed by the attempted Christmas Day bombing of a U.S.-bound airliner.
The Transportation Security Administration ordered the scanners before the bombing attempt for up to $170,000 apiece. Plans are also in place to purchase an additional 300 units by 2012, TSA officials said.
Forty body scanners are currently in use at 19 U.S. airports. Use of the technology -- considered overly invasive by critics -- is optional, according to the TSA Web site. Passengers who opt out of the screening receive an alternate form of checking, which includes a pat-down procedure.
There are two types of full-body scanners. One uses "backscatter" technology to produce an X-ray image of a person. The other uses millimeter-wave technology, which shows a detailed photo negative.
TSA officials have attempted to address privacy concerns by promising to blur pictures of passengers' faces and delete all images produced.
One former TSA official told CNN that a body scanner could have stopped Umar Farouq AbdulMutallab, the man accused of trying to blow up a December 25 Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam, Netherlands, to Detroit, Michigan.
"I firmly believe in the whole body imaging system as a screening device," Charlotte Bryan said.
"I believe that it would have detected that there was something there in that position on his body. It may not have detected it as an explosive, but it certainly would've raised some flags that would have required further detection and a review either by an officer or further scanning."
Critics, however, warn that full-body scanners should not be the only answer to continued airport security problems.
"Right now the system is not working as effectively as it needs to be," said Geoff Freeman, a representative of the U.S. Travel Association.
"It's time to hit the pause button and do a wholesale review of what we have today and put in place the policies that will (give) America the most secure and efficient travel process."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/12/31/airport.body.scanners/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn
150 more full-body scanners to go in U.S. airports
December 31, 2009 1:05 p.m. EST
Forty body scanners are currently in use at 19 U.S. airports
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Forty body scanners are currently in use at 19 U.S. airports
* The TSA has purchased an additional 150 machines
* Currently use of the technology is optional, according to TSA's Web site
Washington (CNN) -- One hundred and fifty new full-body scanning machines are set to be placed in airports across the United States as federal authorities work to close security loopholes exposed by the attempted Christmas Day bombing of a U.S.-bound airliner.
The Transportation Security Administration ordered the scanners before the bombing attempt for up to $170,000 apiece. Plans are also in place to purchase an additional 300 units by 2012, TSA officials said.
Forty body scanners are currently in use at 19 U.S. airports. Use of the technology -- considered overly invasive by critics -- is optional, according to the TSA Web site. Passengers who opt out of the screening receive an alternate form of checking, which includes a pat-down procedure.
There are two types of full-body scanners. One uses "backscatter" technology to produce an X-ray image of a person. The other uses millimeter-wave technology, which shows a detailed photo negative.
TSA officials have attempted to address privacy concerns by promising to blur pictures of passengers' faces and delete all images produced.
One former TSA official told CNN that a body scanner could have stopped Umar Farouq AbdulMutallab, the man accused of trying to blow up a December 25 Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam, Netherlands, to Detroit, Michigan.
"I firmly believe in the whole body imaging system as a screening device," Charlotte Bryan said.
"I believe that it would have detected that there was something there in that position on his body. It may not have detected it as an explosive, but it certainly would've raised some flags that would have required further detection and a review either by an officer or further scanning."
Critics, however, warn that full-body scanners should not be the only answer to continued airport security problems.
"Right now the system is not working as effectively as it needs to be," said Geoff Freeman, a representative of the U.S. Travel Association.
"It's time to hit the pause button and do a wholesale review of what we have today and put in place the policies that will (give) America the most secure and efficient travel process."
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Man oh man the terroists are really getting their way disrupting.
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One hundred and fifty new full-body scanning machines are set to be placed in airports across the United States as federal authorities work to close security loopholes exposed by the attempted Christmas Day bombing of a U.S.-bound airliner.
I don't understand how placing scanners in U.S. airports would close security loopholes for flights not originating in the U.S., as in the example above. -
I agree."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Yep that is some fantastic way to close security loopholes.
BTW Total Recall was a great movie. -
I don't understand how placing scanners in U.S. airports would close security loopholes for flights not originating in the U.S., as in the example above.
No kidding.
How about the no standing up, as in no trips to the bathroom, during the last hour of a flight. Could the TSA have their heads further up their a$$?Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Pfffft! I don't fly, but if you want to make flying REALLY secure, go to the people who have had ZERO incidents in 30+ years:
Israel!!!
Those scanners are only as good as the winners you pay $8 an hour to look at them.I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE! -
I can't imagine that rule lasting.How about the no standing up, as in no trips to the bathroom, during the last hour of a flight. Could the TSA have their heads further up their a$$?
What if your flight is less than a hour long?
What if someone has issues that they need access to a bathroom at all times(seniors, pregnant or nursing, etc...)."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Fixed.Those scanners are only as good as the ex-cons you pay $8 an hour to look at them."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
I wanna be a full-body scanner. Miss Hayek, behind the screen please.
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George Grand wrote: »I wanna be a full-body scanner. Miss Hayek, behind the screen please.
You're killin' me here!
I wonder if they'll have scanners at Big Mac
- nah. So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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Welcome to the 'September 10th' mentality.I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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I saw this thread title and hoped beyond hope that it was about chicks with three ****.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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Pfffft! I don't fly, but if you want to make flying REALLY secure, go to the people who have had ZERO incidents in 30+ years:
Israel!!!
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I agree. I was a supervisor for an airline who used to do the ground handling of their cargo aircraft. EVERY TIME I even got close to their aircraft, , I would be stopped and checked. They took security serious 24/7, unlike what you see at our airports. While leaving LAX awhile back, I witnessed firsthand the airline I was flying on have 2 pretty serious security breaches due to their casual attitude toward security. The first was 2 women walking right onto the jetway to board the aircraft with NOBODY stopping or checking them, and the second was the guy in front of me was allowed to fly on an earlier flight, even though his luggage was already checked to a later flight. One of the women working the counter noticed what this employee was doing, but the woman ticketing at the counter didn't seem to care. -
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Fixed.
Background checks were outsourced along with the whole hiring process. I'm not sure whether the backlog was one or two years at the time it hit the fan, but it was in excess of year often. People were getting hired, trained, working and year, then getting fired because of a security check. Nice use of taxpayer money paying for all that training for nothing. -
What kills me is, the "RED FLAG" was handed to these f*ckin' morons on a silver platter.
When the guys father goes to the US embassy, and say's, "Um, I think my son has been radicalized", and this still happens??!!:mad:
Napolitano, and Billary should both be ****-canned!I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE! -
interesting but doesn't fix the problems that are out there, just a cover up if you ask me but as long as it makes people feel more "secure" I guess thats all we need :rolleyes:
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Pfffft! I don't fly, but if you want to make flying REALLY secure, go to the people who have had ZERO incidents in 30+ years:
Israel!!!
Yep, they took Archie Bunkers advice and arm all the passengers.:D -
I can't imagine that rule lasting.
What if your flight is less than a hour long?
What if someone has issues that they need access to a bathroom at all times(seniors, pregnant or nursing, etc...).
What if you shart yourself?;) -
Pfffft! I don't fly, but if you want to make flying REALLY secure, go to the people who have had ZERO incidents in 30+ years:
Israel!!!
Those scanners are only as good as the winners you pay $8 an hour to look at them.
Know why Israel is good at it? They profile,something thats too PC over here.HT SYSTEM-
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I don't understand how placing scanners in U.S. airports would close security loopholes for flights not originating in the U.S., as in the example above.
+1. Also useless if there's collusion between security and bomber overseas. -
I would suggest that you are completely correct in stating that the ball was completely dropped here, judging from the information that we are being given by the media (if it is correct). Not surprisingly IMO, however: I used to get stopped and subjected to extra searching in Paris all the time, and told it was a "random computer selection" even though I have never had anything to hide and have absolutely zero criminal record (not even a speeding ticket). "Random" is not 100% probability of selection for extra screening, and I have always assumed that this was because I had too many foreign entry stamps in my passport (or that obieone had denounced me already) but who knows for sure? One time, entering through Detroit myself, my name popped up on a screen (where even I could see it). The officer went off to check something and then came back, telling me to go on through. I asked her what the matter was, and she replied "we don't know why your name is up there". That really inspires confidence in the system, does it not?!What kills me is, the "RED FLAG" was handed to these f*ckin' morons on a silver platter.
When the guys father goes to the US embassy, and say's, "Um, I think my son has been radicalized", and this still happens??!!:mad:
Napolitano, and Billary should both be ****-canned!
It seems to be a terrific way to slow everybody down, enable little **** minded officials to play God with passengers, and do nothing at all to prevent anything. I went through one of the full body scanners in Santa Fe last July. It took forever, and even though the line was shorter (which is why I went there in the first place) it took me far longer to get through than those going through the regular scanner in a much longer line.
That said, I highly doubt Napolitano or Clinton had anything to do with this failure, since the procedures have been in place for several years ... well before they took office. Napolitano's biggest crime is blowing her mouth off when she should have kept it shut until she knew all the facts ... and being just as incompetent as her predecessors, from what I can see.
This clown, much like the infamous shoe bomber, was an idiot, IMO, and we can't even stop them, it seems, much less the real professional terrorists that might, someday, actually take a shot at this. This is a serious American problem, as far as I can tell, and has nothing to do with party politics. Get it fixed, and make it damn well work, without playing the usual Washington blame game. There was an excuse in 2002, when measures were implemented in haste, for untrustworthy procedures, but that time has long since passed. I have no issue whatsoever with being subjected to measures that actually work, but this kind of situation is an embarassment to every American citizen IMO.
If the full body scanners really do work, I am totally in favor of adding them everywhere, inside and outside the U.S., but for goodness sake, make something work!
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The whole thing stinks like a setup, and as always in such cases, the solution does nothing to solve the problem.-Ignorance is strength -
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Pfffft! I don't fly, but if you want to make flying REALLY secure, go to the people who have had ZERO incidents in 30+ years:
Israel!!!
Those scanners are only as good as the winners you pay $8 an hour to look at them.
Yeah - I flew into and out of Tel Aviv some years ago. They tell you to be to the airport 3 hours early and they ain't kiddin.' Searches, THREE layers of interviews where they split me and my wife up. Jeez.
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