What NOT to bring to a snowball fight

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  • Hoosierbronco
    Hoosierbronco Posts: 60
    edited December 2009
    Well stated Everpress.
    I knew this would start a firestorm when I replied ... :)
    My immediate thoughts were towards the dynamics of a crowd.
    ....a crowd throwing stuff at a cop. If it were 12 year olds having fun , thats one thing , adults , completely different story.
    We all know how situations escalate when crowds are involved.
    In my mind , having a gun "drawn" means pointed and ready to fire at some unlucky ****. What I saw in the video was an officer , in a crowd which was throwing snowballs at cars , with his weapon "at the ready".
    My personal experience also sways my opinion. In my case it was kids having fun pitching snowballs at me as I rode by. Later that day , the fun stopped when the snowball with a rock loaded in it hit my helmet.
    So , a snowball isn't always a snowball and none of us were in that cops situation.
    Again , I don't see anything wrong with what was on the video.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    edited December 2009
    ...when I was a kid, we used to toss snowballs at each other all the time. One time, a patrol car got caught in the crossfire, and was struck by a few snowballs. That cop responded by getting out of his car with his SHOTGUN! We all scattered as quickly as we could and in all directions. The cop called backup and within a minute or two there were a half dozen cruisers all over the neighborhood, and for more that two hours they searched for us. I have never been so scared in my life. This was in an excellent neighborhood just north of the Twin Cities. I can understand the need for any officer to use caution, but answering a snowball fight with a firearm is over the top. I understand from the more recent posts that there is other information that has come to light in this particular case that may put this mess in a very different light, but my experiences from thirty years ago are still quite fresh in my mind.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,466
    edited December 2009
    I saw this video on one of the local news channels the day it happened. Everpress is right, if you were to see the FULL story you'd quickly realize that the cop did nothing wrong, which cannot be said about the crowd.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,466
    edited December 2009
    but my experiences from thirty years ago are still quite fresh in my mind.

    If that event still haunts you 30 years down the road, seek therapy.
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,238
    edited December 2009
    Playing devil's advocate here, what if those idiots were packing rocks or broken glass into their snow balls....

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2009
    Now that I think about it, if I was him I probably would have stayed in my car.

    As far as how he handled it, to each their own.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2009
    Love all the Sunday Quarterbacks calling the shots after the event. 20/20 is always behind view, the forward view can be 20/200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    edited December 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    If that event still haunts you 30 years down the road, seek therapy.


    LOL.... no need for that but try looking down the wrong end of a 30-06 sometime. I am not haunted by it, but I will never forget it either.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited December 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    LOL.... no need for that but try looking down the wrong end of a 30-06 sometime. I am not haunted by it, but I will never forget it either.
    I thought it was a shotgun? :confused:
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    That cop responded by getting out of his car with his SHOTGUN!





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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited December 2009
    snow wrote: »
    I thought it was a shotgun? :confused:

    REGARDS SNOW

    HAHA, good call, man. As soon as I saw that I hit reply, but then saw you caught it too.

    Funny stuff!

    IT WAS SEARED IN MY MEMORY! :eek:
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2009
    I little story from me, Yes I'll never forgot this....

    I worked for an alarm company which did Video, Burglar, Fire, Panic systems. I was an alarm tech, many companies pays us to get over there to check for broken windows, doors, or just bad devices for the alarm. So one night I'm working 7pm to 7am, 2am or so a company had had some trouble / alarm problem it just keeps going off. So I go over there, I radio the central office which I can from. I tell him to make sure he calls the police office because this alarm is also wired to them. This works as when this alarm goes off an alarm goes off on the police office also. So I'm working on the alarm system which is by the back door, I'm there for 10 mins or so... I get a loud banging on the back door, I get really quiet. Saying to myself who the F is that, I'm not answer the door. Ok so they know I'm there, and the BANGING JUST REALLY LOUD NOW! It's getting a little crazy now, since the company trucks doesn't say anything on them. So I answer the door since I thinking he remove the door if not... The alarm central office guy forgot to call the police office. They are getting an alarm over there send a car to check it out. He calls for back up, back up, and they setup. I answer the door since I think he will removed it if not. I got a gun on my head, there's another gun to me besides this police guy, then behind the door is another guy with a shotgun to my head.


    We all laughed about it later, It was nice since I stayed cool and didn't do any fast in front of them. I think I **** myself.... And no I'm not going to forget that night ever.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    edited December 2009
    sorry, I am not a firearms expert by any means. It was one of those long thingies with a tube on one end and something that he pressed to his shoulder on the other... I ran so fast that I never turned around to look back:p
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  • phuz
    phuz Posts: 2,372
    edited December 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    sorry, I am not a firearms expert by any means. It was one of those long thingies with a tube on one end and something that he pressed to his shoulder on the other... I ran so fast that I never turned around to look back:p

    It's the shoulder thing that goes up.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2009
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I was referring to salary and I think you own the wanna-be Hummer don't you?

    Last I checked it said Hummer. And that's the point.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited December 2009
    I-SIG wrote: »
    Playing devil's advocate here, what if those idiots were packing rocks or broken glass into their snow balls....

    Then opening fire on them would still be a way over-the-top reaction?
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Then opening fire on them would still be a way over-the-top reaction?
    I agree. If someone was throwing snowballs with broken glass at me I'd want to give them a lollipop. :rolleyes:
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited December 2009
    I pray you do not own a firearm.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2009
    In that case, you better get on your knees.
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,238
    edited December 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Then opening fire on them would still be a way over-the-top reaction?

    A piece of broken glass in the eye or a rock to the temple? That sounds an awfully lot like maiming-types of injury to me, then throw in the fact that there seem to be dozens of people doing the throwing and against one guy.

    So yes, at least in Arizona, I would be justified in drawing on them, at least as a citizen afraid for life and limb.

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  • fossy
    fossy Posts: 1,378
    edited December 2009
    dun't the DC police have a snowball cannon ?? 3ft snowballs woulda put all those pesky ppl right in their place.......or just call for back-up & when 60 cars arrive, snowball the hell out of um .....
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited December 2009
    Off duty, tired, situational awareness was down, probably in retrospect would of stayed put until back-up arrived, fortunately they don't let DC cops practice enough with their weapons to hit anybody on purpose.
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