Ufc 107...

KG Audio

...anyone watch this?

Penn = Parasound

Sanchez = Emotiva

Anyone? solidsqual?

Later,
KG

mantis

I watched it and it was a very good card.

Kenny Flo Flo beat the hell out of Clay. I was aliitle shocked that Kenny basically made him look stupid. Outclassed all day.

Frank Mir , O MY!!! That was amazingly fast and against Congo he is a better fighter then that. Mir made him look stupid 2. Like he didn't belong in the same ring. Shame I like Congo.

My man Fitch is a great fighter. Love that dude. He in my opinion should be considered the gate keeper to JSP. If you can beat him , then you can fight JSP , if not get to the back of the line. Good fight with 2 really good wrestlers.

PJ PENN???? Come one now he has cardio? Forget it , just give him his crown and seat next to JSP and call it a day. No one in the lightweight div is going to beat him. No one. Ken Flo had the best chance and he got out classed. Sanchez is a great fighter but not a Champion. PJ proved that every single round.

Overall a good night of fights. Brock vs Mir 3 would be exciting , I'd like to see Mir fight one more time before going against Big Brooke. Just to make sure Frank is where I think he is. If thats the case the brook Mir fight will be exciting and much better then the last 2. The first one was kinda good and the 2nd was ok but to see them both on top of there games would be great.

NotaSuv

watched and enjoyed....Mir did look like he was fighting a first timer, and i have watched Congo before and it was not him in the circle last night....yup and PJ does rule

KASR

I think Fitch has alittle more to learn before he gets a GSP rematch...GSP is just too good right now.

I was certain of the Mir/Congo fight - just didn't think it would happen that fast. Brock still has to get past Carwin before him and Mir meet again...that'll be an interesting fight.

The BJ/Sanchez fight was a hype-machine - Sanchez isn't even on the same level as BJ and he proved it last night.

MacLeod

Wow! I figured Congo wouldve stood up a little better against Mir. Nothing agaisnt Mir, I think he's one of the best out there but Congo has always impressed me since his debut.

Im glad Sanchez lost. Ive never liked this dude. He annoyed the **** out of me when he was on Ultimate Fighter and now he thinks he's the baddest, meanest dude in the universe and looks ridiculously stupid when he tries to make those mean faces. I only wish Penn wouldve mopped the floor with him instead of outpointing him. But still, a loss is a loss.

shawn474

I watched last night. It was a good card. The Fitch fight was a snoozer, but he is a great fighter. I was a little disappointed that the Guida/Florian fight wasn't better, but Florian seems to be on a mission. Mir is an animal and the loss to Lesnar seems to have really focused him. He is a big man with great ground / submission skills and a better than average stand-up game and that's somthing the heavyweight division needs to take notice of. I am actually glad that Penn dominated the crap out of Sanchez. Sanchez has always been an overhyped POS that loves to tell everyon how mean he is. His mean faces were comical last night and Penn laughed at him a few times. The way that Penn just dominated him will be something he will never forget and he can't say it was a lucky punch that knocked him out. That is one of those defeats that absolutely could take his heart and he may never be the same again. Penn looked like he could have gone 10 more rounds.

KASR

MacLeod wrote: »

I only wish Penn wouldve mopped the floor with him instead of outpointing him. But still, a loss is a loss.

"would've mopped..."??? BJ used Diego's head as a punching bag for 5 rounds - right from the open minute.

Toxis

mantis wrote: »

Congo
JSP
PJ
Big Brooke

Mantis, ease off the drink so early in the morning. lol Either that or you're just not a huge UFC fan. I think you meant Kongo, GSP (George, not Jorge lol), BJ and Brock. Not trying to get all spell check **** but this was just bad...

one of the best PPV events in a long time. The only fight I didn't enjoy was the Fitch fight. Wasn't bad but really was boring. Technically was good though, just uneventful. Mir was a beast and I would love to see the much bigger Mir go against Lesnar. Last time, he was almost 50lbs lighter by time they walked in the ring. Lesnar was almost 285 for god's sake. Kongo got caught but I have never been impressed with him to the point I thought he was at Mir's level. Florian looked great against an animal of Guida. While I hate "Kenflo" and his absolutely retarded nickname, he really is a great fighter. I'd like to see Florian go against Sherk again. BJ Penn. Wow. Flat out Wow. I can't remember the last time he went the distance and didn't gas out the middle of round two. He went all 5 rounds and looked down right amazing. While I would've loved to see him knock out Diego and his arrogant **** in the first round, I'm much happier it went the way it did. A knockout could've let Diego say "Oh, he just caught me." No excuses of 4.5 rounds of straight abuse and battery. Oh, the single leg take down didn't work all 30 times you tried it? Great game plan. Does he not know Penn has the best balance in MMA? Regardless, it couldn't have been better. That kick was amazing and that cut was awesome! Seriously couldn't have happened to a "better" guy. To see him look like he got out of a car crash from the top of a cliff and BJ looking like he just had a workout session on the treadmill... comedy. Definitely enjoyed that PPV but...

all I know is the next PPV will probably be one I will not be in the mood to watch. Seriously, look at this garbage line up. Joe Lauzon as a second to last fight? Wow.
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.Home&eid=2533

concealer404

I want to watch this, but i can't seem to find it on my on demand anywhere...

I'm tv-stupid, and can't find it on U-verse right now. Anyone know how to do this?

KASR

Toxis wrote: »

To see him look like he got out of a car crash from the top of a cliff...

Seems like a lot of his opponents end up looking like that: Sherk, Kenny, Stevenson, GSP 1 .. that dude has some serious heavy hands for his weight-class.

Toxis wrote: »

all I know is the next PPV will probably be one I will not be in the mood to watch. Seriously, look at this garbage line up. Joe Lauzon as a second to last fight? Wow.
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.Home&eid=2533

No kidding...I like watching Silva fight and all - but who cares about a fight with him and Rashad??? I suppose it was what we get on short notice with Rampage out of the loop for a while.

Toxis

Rampage is filming for the new A Team movie so he will be a bit before he can get back in training for Rashad.

KASR

In all seriousness it looks like BJ has cleaned out the 155lb division...do they seriously think that Frankie Edgar or Gray Maynard has anything for him? I think at this point, it's just a formality.

concealer404

KASR wrote: »

In all seriousness it looks like BJ has cleaned out the 155lb division...do they seriously think that Frankie Edgar or Gray Maynard has anything for him? I think at this point, it's just a formality.

Not right now... I could see Gray Maynard possibly after some more experience. He's kindof a beast.

Speaking of lightweights, whatever happened to Mac Danzig? He's another one that impressed the hell out of me.

And can anyone tell me how i can find this stupid thing to watch it? I want to see it.

KASR

concealer404 wrote: »

Not right now... I could see Gray Maynard possibly after some more experience. He's kindof a beast.

Speaking of lightweights, whatever happened to Mac Danzig? He's another one that impressed the hell out of me.

And can anyone tell me how i can find this stupid thing to watch it? I want to see it.

www.watchfreemma.com - has all the fights.

Gray Maynard has some good chops, but there is no real area where he excels that could pose a problem for BJ. Not sure what happened to Mac.

concealer404

Hrmmm... looks like Mac is fighting in UFC 109.

He's another one that needs a bit more experience, but i think he's got it in him.

KASR

concealer404 wrote: »

Hrmmm... looks like Mac is fighting in UFC 109.

He's another one that needs a bit more experience, but i think he's got it in him.

Normally I would agree - but he's coming off of three losses. He hasn't one a fight in almost two years!

shawn474

There are a lot of good fighters in the 155lb division, but unless they get lucky with a one punch knockout or unless BJ gets lazy and complacent in his training, he outclasses everyone by a long shot. I don't even think it's close. He looks and seems so focused and I think he will walk away when he feels there is nobody left out there to fight him. He doesn't seem to be consumed with taking fights just to fight; with each one he has something to prove to himself. The question is whether or not there IS anything left for him to prove.

KASR

shawn474 wrote: »

There are a lot of good fighters in the 155lb division, but unless they get lucky with a one punch knockout or unless BJ gets lazy and complacent in his training, he outclasses everyone by a long shot. I don't even think it's close. He looks and seems so focused and I think he will walk away when he feels there is nobody left out there to fight him. He doesn't seem to be consumed with taking fights just to fight; with each one he has something to prove to himself. The question is whether or not there IS anything left for him to prove.

I think if he grinded out a win against GSP, then he would most likely retire...I think that's what he's sticking around for. But he would have to have atleast one, perhaps two tuneups going into the WW division - Jon Fitch or possibly Koscheck....hell, Thiago Alves would make an entertaining as hell fight for BJ at the WW division!

shawn474

KASR wrote: »

I think if he grinded out a win against GSP, then he would most likely retire...I think that's what he's sticking around for. But he would have to have atleast one, perhaps two tuneups going into the WW division - Jon Fitch or possibly Koscheck....hell, Thiago Alves would make an entertaining as hell fight for BJ at the WW division!

Agree 1000%. I just don't think he would be expected to win against those guys. He looked unnatural when he fought at the welterweight division; he is so fluid and effortless in the 155lb division. All of his strengths (except maybe his submission skills) at the 155lb would be compromised by going up in weight. After the last GSP fight, I could see him wanting to redeem himself, but I can't see him moving up to fight multiple fights in the WW division.

What's interesting to me is that he has shown a willingness to go up in weight to seek out fights and worthwhile opponents. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is willing to drop weight to meet him in the 155lb division. I wonder why........

I guess having catchweight fights is a possibility, but a long shot considering the lack of a title changing hands.

concealer404

I still can't see him taking out Fitch or GSP at this point...

KASR

concealer404 wrote: »

I still can't see him taking out Fitch or GSP at this point...

I'm thinking that he would have to submit Fitch - that guy is tough as nails and will not hesitate to brawl....GSP is another story altogether.

KASR

shawn474 wrote: »

What's interesting to me is that he has shown a willingness to go up in weight to seek out fights and worthwhile opponents. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is willing to drop weight to meet him in the 155lb division. I wonder why........
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Very few of the guys in WW can cut the weight to make 155lb...they have a hard enough problem cutting to 170 for weigh ins and then walk into the ring at 180+!

concealer404

KASR wrote: »

I'm thinking that he would have to submit Fitch - that guy is tough as nails and will not hesitate to brawl....GSP is another story altogether.

True... i just don't see it. Fitch is solid enough, and plenty strong enough to be able to prevent him from sinking in most submissions. The fact that GSP couldn't out and out stop him really spoke volumes to me.

Jstas

Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that the gash...sorry, I mean the canyon BJ's elbow plowed on Diego's head is what stopped the fight. It wasn't a points decision.

As far as that fight, BJ outclassed Sanchez, with out a doubt. The kid needed to get beat and he got beat in the worst possible way. It wasn't points, it wasn't a TKO or a KO and it wasn't a submission. All are sound beatings. His fight got called because someone else felt he was too injured to continue. Sanchez got massacred. He did not have a single round won and his tactic of "take down the one guy who has never been taken down" should have been given up after the first 7 times it didn't work. Penn is the real deal and I was very glad to see him win. I would put him on par with greats like Couture, Fedor, either Silva or Noguiera. He's one of those natural talents that is going to be the high-water mark in the UFC for a long time even after he retires. I'm glad I get to see him fight now instead of having to watch reruns after the fights happened. He was professional about the whole thing too and Hawaii should be very proud of their native son.

Mir got a lucky punch. He swung at Kongo's head on a counter and he wasn't even looking. He just happened to tag Kongo in the temple as Kongo was trying to avoid it. Even Mir was surprised that he won it. His bragging at the end of the fight was disgusting and I hope someone other than his "arch nemesis" Brock Lesner pounds his face in.

I don't think Guida got outclassed. I think Florian just wouldn't let him take it to the ground. Guida doesn't have a good stand-up game and Florian knows that. Florian's a black-belt in jiujitsu but Guida seems to have a natural talent for it, kinda like a spider monkey. I would give Guida the edge in the ground game but Florian the edge in the stand-up. I think Guida's gash on his head was bothering him though. I was surprised he got caught in a rear-naked choke. He's usually more cognizant of that.

The rest of the fights, except for the kinda boring Fitch fight, was spectacular.

The Swede and the Mexican from Texas was an awesome fight! And yes, I know who both fighters are but I can't spell their names properly from memory. But I thought the fight was done when the Swede got that stiff right jab to the face in mid-air and fell like a sack of potatoes. I also think the Mexican from Texas got robbed. I knew it was going to be a split decision but the Swede got round one without a doubt but the Mexican got round two and I thought he won round three 'cause he had 3 take downs from just punching the Swede in the face.

The Belcher-Gouveira fight was a good one too even if it was a prelim. Belcher continues to impress and Dana White better start recognizing him and give him some premiere headlining instead of relegating him to prelims or he's gonna end up losing a good talent.

The one fight I wanted to see but didn't get to was Wiman-Nelson. I heard it was a boring fight but Wiman is one of my favorites to watch.

We taught the GF how to perform a rear-naked choke on someone too. Now she has hands that could be registered as deadly weapons!

KASR

Jstas wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that the gash...sorry, I mean the canyon BJ's elbow plowed on Diego's head is what stopped the fight. It wasn't a points decision.

Correct, it was a TKO (cut) win - if it went to points, BJ still won...even his corner told him to sit back and relax for the final round, but BJ wouldn't have any of it - he was out to finish the fight in the fifth, which he did.

Jstas wrote: »

Mir got a lucky punch. He swung at Kongo's head on a counter and he wasn't even looking. He just happened to tag Kongo in the temple as Kongo was trying to avoid it. Even Mir was surprised that he won it. His bragging at the end of the fight was disgusting and I hope someone other than his "arch nemesis" Brock Lesner pounds his face in.

I dunno about lucky punch - it was the correct punch for the way that Kongo was stanced - upright, backing directly up when defending. That begs for an overhand right or left and that's exactly what Mir sent him for Christmas. I think people sometimes underestimate Frank's boxing becuz it doesn't look crisp or "pretty". For people not versed in boxing, the overhand right/left is deadly strike - becuz that angle is "funny". Frank Shamrock did the same thing to Cesar Gracie in their Strikeforce bout - he basically exposed his lack of boxing defense.
I think Mir wanted it on the ground, that's for sure - he just didn't realize it was coming by way of his punch. And if you reply, it looks like he's getting clocked right in the jaw/cheekbone and not his temple. I think Cain and Shane will make interesting fights for Mir, but neither one of them can answer his juijistu pedigree - they would face the same problem as Kongo did.

Jstas wrote: »

I don't think Guida got outclassed. I think Florian just wouldn't let him take it to the ground. Guida doesn't have a good stand-up game and Florian knows that. Florian's a black-belt in jiujitsu but Guida seems to have a natural talent for it, kinda like a spider monkey. I would give Guida the edge in the ground game but Florian the edge in the stand-up. I think Guida's gash on his head was bothering him though. I was surprised he got caught in a rear-naked choke. He's usually more cognizant of that.

I think you might be underestimating Florian ground game - remember what he did to Joe Stevenson (and he's a beast of wrestler). Kenny threw him down like a little girl - and Joe is much bigger than Clay. I think Kenny got off to a slow start, but then in the 2nd, he set a pace that Clay couldn't figure out.

Jstas

I thought my position was clear?

I think Mir got lucky. I stated why and I still don't like Mir. I give him lots of credit for his skills, I just think a win like that was a bit beyond him right now. The guy slacked off for years and just now, after Lesnar embarrassed him in the "rematch", he decided to get serious. Now he comes in all jacked up, Joe Rogan humps his leg for 2 hours and he's magically gets better? Yeah, I'm not buying it. He got a lucky shot on Kongo that even Mir didn't expect to land. I don't even think he rung Kongo's bell, I think he just lost his balance and Mir actually took advantage of it. I'll believe Mir is as good as everyone says he is when he stops bragging and taking credit where it isn't due and he stops whining about how he should've beaten Lesnar. If that's the case, why'd he lose?

I'm not underestimating Florian. I know he's a black belt and I said that. I think Guida's ground game is under-rated. That was probably the only thing Rogan said all night that I agreed with.

And wrestling is not jiujitsu. Wrestling uses brute force to overcome your opponent. Jiujitsu uses your opponent's brute force against them. Two different methodologies entirely.

KASR

Jstas wrote: »

I thought my position was clear?

I think Mir got lucky. I stated why and I still don't like Mir. I give him lots of credit for his skills, I just think a win like that was a bit beyond him right now. The guy slacked off for years and just now, after Lesnar embarrassed him in the "rematch", he decided to get serious. Now he comes in all jacked up, Joe Rogan humps his leg for 2 hours and he's magically gets better? Yeah, I'm not buying it. He got a lucky shot on Kongo that even Mir didn't expect to land. I don't even think he rung Kongo's bell, I think he just lost his balance and Mir actually took advantage of it. I'll believe Mir is as good as everyone says he is when he stops bragging and taking credit where it isn't due and he stops whining about how he should've beaten Lesnar. If that's the case, why'd he lose?

Oh I'm not disagreeing with you here - Mir's journey has been an weird one, that's for certain! I think the Mir/Brock 2 was kind of a wake up call and he was still riding high off the win from Nog (which was a bit of a fluke since Nog had a staph infection) I can certainly agree that Mir has been tooting his own horn ever since the Brock pt1 fight....he certainly knows how to stir up drama.

Jstas wrote: »

I'm not underestimating Florian. I know he's a black belt and I said that. I think Guida's ground game is under-rated. That was probably the only thing Rogan said all night that I agreed with.

Perhaps he's latest opponents has out-shined him in the ground lately then. I thought his decision over Gray Maynard was a snoozer - but when he tries to bang with anyone, he always comes off looking like he "wants" to catch a beating. Don't get me wrong, I like Clay - the Roger Huerta/Clay fight made me fans of both of them!

Jstas wrote: »

And wrestling is not jiujitsu. Wrestling uses brute force to overcome your opponent. Jiujitsu uses your opponent's brute force against them. Two different methodologies entirely.

Yep - I totally agree as I wrestled in high school and learned/competed in JJ in college. Both are great in my opinion!

Matt34

Jstas wrote: »

I thought my position was clear?

I think Mir got lucky. I stated why and I still don't like Mir. I give him lots of credit for his skills, I just think a win like that was a bit beyond him right now. The guy slacked off for years and just now, after Lesnar embarrassed him in the "rematch", he decided to get serious. Now he comes in all jacked up, Joe Rogan humps his leg for 2 hours and he's magically gets better? Yeah, I'm not buying it. He got a lucky shot on Kongo that even Mir didn't expect to land. I don't even think he rung Kongo's bell, I think he just lost his balance and Mir actually took advantage of it. I'll believe Mir is as good as everyone says he is when he stops bragging and taking credit where it isn't due and he stops whining about how he should've beaten Lesnar. If that's the case, why'd he lose?

I'm not underestimating Florian. I know he's a black belt and I said that. I think Guida's ground game is under-rated. That was probably the only thing Rogan said all night that I agreed with.

And wrestling is not jiujitsu. Wrestling uses brute force to overcome your opponent. Jiujitsu uses your opponent's brute force against them. Two different methodologies entirely.

Mir's been back in the game for a while now, just watch the fight with Norg. His stand up game has improved 100% and he still has no equal in the HW division when it comes to a ground game. He is defiantly one of the smarter fighters out there today. I think what cost him in the 2nd Brock fight was he got a little to relaxed on the bottom.

KASR

KASR wrote: »

Gray Maynard has some good chops, but there is no real area where he excels that could pose a problem for BJ.

Tonights piss-poor display from Maynard reinforces my belief that he's got nothing for BJ