Hey Navy Seals.....Eff you!!!

bsoko2

I bet the complaint was loged by the Iraqis and now the way the war there is fought, we have to explain why the prisoner was punched in the lip. The Iraqis have control on how the war is fought, not the United States. It totaly sucks! We need to get the hell out of Iraq and Afganistan. Wars of this type in this day and age are just to damn expensive. We are destroying a generation of youth from our own country and their health issues will be with us until they go to the grave. We would have been better off dumping plane loads of $100 bills all over the middle east in a massive buyout. It would have been a lot cheaper then what we are doing now.

Just my own rant! Bill

NJPOLKER

How about pulling out of those countries and shutting down our boarders and enforcing the existing laws. Its sad and sickening the government wants to give American rights to illegals and enforce them on honest legal Americans. Also throwing out the people who don't belong here immediately would work well for me and this country. Liberals suck and thats my rant. Just look at California.

TroyD

Unbelievable....I don't even have the words.

I'd say the Iraqis had nothing to do with it. After Abu Ghraib....there is SOOO much sensitivity to this sort of thing in the military.

What will screw these guys is the False Official Statement charge...and if I had to guess this is where it all came apart. This is where a lot of guys in the military get hung up....it's not so much WHAT you did as you signed a statement saying you didn't.

Again, I think it's a pile of dung, but if I were a betting man, that's where it went bad for them.

BDT

messiah

Those Seals should get the Congressional Medal of Honor, and that douchebag should be punched in the face. To death. By Navy Seals. Done.

vc69

TroyD wrote: »

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Again, I think it's a pile of dung, but if I were a betting man, that's where it went bad for them.

BDT

Agreed and agreed.

I hope they are cleared, though.


Btw...

Nevermind.

I hope they are cleared.

BlueFox

phuz wrote: »

How's this for fake?

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/11/UPnavy_seals_charged_112409w/

This is rediculous. They shouldn't even be charged. They had better beat these charges 100%. Those men were all former SEALs, SF, etc. That scumbag is lucky all he got was a fat lip.

As I said, there probably is more to this than what Fox 'reported'. At least this story contains a bit more info, but is still incomplete. I wish I was as smart as you guys who know everything there is to know just by reading a Fox 'news' story, and are able to make 100% correct snap judgements.

TroyD

Had it been on CNN though....it would have been gospel.

BDT

phuz

BlueFox wrote: »

As I said, there probably is more to this than what Fox 'reported'. At least this story contains a bit more info, but is still incomplete. I wish I was as smart as you guys who know everything there is to know just by reading a Fox 'news' story, and are able to make 100% correct snap judgements.

Snap judgements? Like calling a large majority of people lunatic fringe, fools, and buffoons? Before you start pointing the finger, take a look in the mirror.

You can't back out now. Keep digging...

NJPOLKER

BlueFox wrote: »

As I said, there probably is more to this than what Fox 'reported'. At least this story contains a bit more info, but is still incomplete. I wish I was as smart as you guys who know everything there is to know just by reading a Fox 'news' story, and are able to make 100% correct snap judgements.

Do you like the view or do you like keeping your head up your ****?

dorokusai

BlueFox wrote: »

As I said, there probably is more to this than what Fox 'reported'. At least this story contains a bit more info, but is still incomplete. I wish I was as smart as you guys who know everything there is to know just by reading a Fox 'news' story, and are able to make 100% correct snap judgements.

I would bet that most of the folks who responded are in tune with more than the Fox network.

madmax

BlueFox wrote: »

Since this story is being pushed by the usual right-wing lunatic fringe, fools, and buffoons, I suspect there is either more to it, or it is the usual Fox made-up news. We will see.

Need some more koolaid? Doesn't sound like it.
madmax

hearingimpared

TroyD wrote: »

Had it been on CNN though....it would have been gospel.

BDT

Well said!!!

Bluefox . . . wow just wow.

Kex

greg2350 wrote: »

Is he french! LOL

Robert Whiting , an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At
French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his
carry on....

... The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he
quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in
1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen
to show a passport to."

This may help feed your francophobia, but it may also not be a true story. If you have been to Paris, you'll know that first, French customs almost never stop you (and you don't have to fill out paperwork before landing, since they're not looking for tourists bringing gifts to friends and family, they're looking for criminals ... who would never lie when filling out paperwork, of course). I've been stopped once, IIRC. Secondly, if they do actually stop you, they ask you to open your bags, not show them your passport. You have to show your passport before the baggage claim area.

In any case, I have no idea what this story has to do with the topic being discussed.

phuz

Kex wrote: »

This may help feed your francophobia, but it may also not be a true story. If you have been to Paris, you'll know that first, French customs almost never stop you (and you don't have to fill out paperwork before landing, since they're not looking for tourists bringing gifts to friends and family, they're looking for criminals ... who would never lie when filling out paperwork, of course). I've been stopped once, IIRC. Secondly, if they do actually stop you, they ask you to open your bags, not show them your passport. You have to show your passport before the baggage claim area.

In any case, I have no idea what this story has to do with the topic being discussed.

They stopped me once for a minute, but it was because I had a bunch of stamps and visas from funny countries with writing that looked like scribbling.

I don't know a lick of French, and one time at CDG they made an announcement - in French only of course - regarding the controlled detonation of a suspicious package they had found. I got some laughs and funny looks when I hit the floor in the sandwich shop.

polksda

Polk user wrote: »

Don't worry. The Commander in Chief can make this go away and instead give these guys medals.

Maybe the previous Commander in Chief, but not this one...

Kex

phuz wrote: »

They stopped me once for a minute, but it was because I had a bunch of stamps and visas from funny countries with writing that looked like scribbling. ...

What I meant to point out was that the Frontier Police check your passport, not the customs officers (I'm not sure who stopped you), which is why I'm doubting how truthful that story is. Some of the francophobia dispayed by some Polkies continues to surprise me since it's not something I expect from "educated", and/or intelligent people.

phuz

Kex wrote: »

What I meant to point out was that the Frontier Police check your passport, not the customs officers (I'm not sure who stopped you), which is why I'm doubting how truthful that story is. Some of the francophobia dispayed by some Polkies continues to surprise me since it's not something I expect from "educated", and/or intelligent people.

It's what we call our immigration/customs. It's fairly common to just say "customs" and they generally get lumped together. Analyzing the story and questioning it's truthfulness pretty much ruins the point of the story.

Kex

phuz wrote: »

It's what we call our immigration/customs. It's fairly common to just say "customs" and they generally get lumped together. ...

Not in my experience. They are totally seperate, and have totally different intentions. Immigration wants to know if you are entering the country legally or not. Customs want to know if you have goods to declare that require duty to be paid and/or if you are transporting prohibited items. You pick up your checked baggage after immigration control, and before customs. It's the same in Paris.

phuz

Kex wrote: »

Not in my experience. They are totally seperate, and have totally different intentions. Immigration wants to know if you are entering the country legally or not. Customs want to know if you have goods to declare that require duty to be paid and/or if you are transporting prohibited items. You pick up your checked baggage after immigration control, and before customs. It's the same in Paris.

I know the difference between customs and immigration. You seem to have missed my point completely and appear to just want to argue. Good luck with that.

I bet when someone says "Wow, look at that blue sky!" you're the kinda guy that says: "Actually, it's periwinkle." ****.

Sorry to crap on the thread. I'm done.

markmarc

The accused SEALS are smart, no military trial is going to find them guilty in a court martial setting. Though I wouldn't be surprised at the end of the hearing the men aren't admonished, if it is true, that they covered up for each other regarding the bloody lip.

shack

dorokusai wrote:

I would bet that most of the folks who responded are in tune with more than the Fox network.

I don't watch FOX or CNN. Watching the news routinely is a waste of time IMO. If it is important enough, I will hear about it and find other sources that I am confident in for information.

opus

Good news, CNN, MSNBC and Google have joined the Fox News right wing plot. Waiting for the always Neo-con John Murtha to join in shortly.:rolleyes:

tonyb

BlueFox wrote: »

Since this story is being pushed by the usual right-wing lunatic fringe, fools, and buffoons, I suspect there is either more to it, or it is the usual Fox made-up news. We will see.

...and there you have it. Just curious as to your age,hit puburty yet ?:mad:

BlueFox

tonyb wrote: »

...and there you have it. Just curious as to your age,hit puburty yet ?:mad:

60. Spent 4 years in the Navy. No, still waiting for 'puburty'.


Although I was referring to the news media sources as being the lunatic fringe, fools, and buffoons pushing this story, I now see how some of you might of thought of yourselves when you read it, so I apologize for not being clear.

However, I do wonder why many of you have so little respect for the military, in this case the Navy. Do you really think the Navy is going to file charges against 3 Seals for ‘punching’ a prisoner during capture. At the very least they would have investigated the complaint first, and only filed charges if there was something we do not yet know about. Even then, that does not mean the Seals are guilty.

I know this conflicts with the fantasy world inhabited by some where everything is right/wrong or black/white, but we do live in a nation of laws, and we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the scum we are currently fighting. If we start acting as many of you seem to advocate by disregarding the law and judicial process then this country truly is in trouble. Mob rule by the lunatic fringe, fools, and buffoons is no different than living in Iran, or under the Taliban.

Have a happy Thanksgiving.

zarrdoss

just shows how bad its getting and going to get.

nooshinjohn

BlueFox wrote: »

60. Spent 4 years in the Navy. No, still waiting for 'puburty'.


Although I was referring to the news media sources as being the lunatic fringe, fools, and buffoons pushing this story, I now see how some of you might of thought of yourselves when you read it, so I apologize for not being clear.

I know this conflicts with the fantasy world inhabited by some where everything is right/wrong or black/white, but we do live in a nation of laws, and we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the scum we are currently fighting. If we start acting as many of you seem to advocate by disregarding the law and judicial process then this country truly is in trouble. Mob rule by the lunatic fringe, fools, and buffoons is no different than living in Iran, or under the Taliban.

Have a happy Thanksgiving.

I respect the fact that you served, but I am having just a bit of trouble believing it... Before you get upset, let me explain why. The Military is not subject to civilian law, rather the Uniform Code of Military Justice is the legal basis by which ALL military personel are held to account for their actions. That said, we are a Nation at war, and there are rules of engagement by which all operations are conducted. I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that NAVY SEALs are the most disciplined troops on the battlefield(a Marine will still kick their ****):D, and follow their orders as if they came from GOD himself. I will bet here was no violation of their orders here. I would also feel safe in believing that IF this guy was punched in the mouth as he claims, that he deserved it. These guys performed their duty with utmost prescision and deserve the thanks of a grateful Nation...

By nature, a military man is far more conservative than you appear to be. For you to make the absurd claim that anyone here is in favor of dispensing the rule of law for a taliban approach is lunacy. What everyone has said here is that these guys deserve to be treated better that the terrorists they apprehend. If you were to take a more scholarly look at what is happening to this great nation and observe the actions of it's leaders as much as you do those of a more conservative backround as myself and others, you will see clearly that it is your friends on the far left that are doing all they can to undermine every single facet of American life.

We now appologize to our enemies for forcing them to attack us, arrest and charge those that defend us from said enemies, bow to the leaders of foreign lands, and use the force of government to undermine and destroy the very foundations upon which our society was created. I have no problem submitting to you that those you appear to support have far more in common with Lenin and the Taliban than you think. One thing is certain for me... on November 6th, 1985, I took an oath to protect MY Constitution from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. I still honor that oath to this day, and will do so at the ballot box until the day I die. The Navy Seals are not the enemy. Terrorists ARE, and those that would try them as criminals for doing their duty should not hold public office.

The trial of the 9/11 planners in New York of all places serves as proof positive that the current administration has every intent on putting the U.S. on trial and not the terrorists. It is my belief that they intend to show America to be at fault for everything. In the end, I would not be at all suprised to see these guys all walk free with fat paydays because of the "torture" they were subjected to during interrogation. Thanks Bluefox for supporting those that would do us harm.

vc69

John,

I would submit that just because someone disagrees with your particular point of view, does not make them a socialist. I would also submit that a country in which there is only one point of view that is acceptable is not a democracy.

I appreciate your service to this country. But I would like to remind you that the country you swore to defend, is what it is because dissenting viewpoints are allowed, encouraged even. You are very vocal about your ideology, but you attack anyone who disagrees. Some people, at least half, are not the right wing ideologue you appear to be. Most are moderates. I would bet my rig that the military is just as diverse as the civilian population. I know a few that completely disagree with your brand of ideology and are willing to die to defend your right to have it.



“I do this real moron thing, it's called thinking, and I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions.”

G. Carlin

markmarc

nooshinjohn wrote: »

The trial of the 9/11 planners in New York of all places serves as proof positive that the current administration has every intent on putting the U.S. on trial and not the terrorists. It is my belief that they intend to show America to be at fault for everything. In the end, I would not be at all suprised to see these guys all walk free with fat paydays because of the "torture" they were subjected to during interrogation. Thanks Bluefox for supporting those that would do us harm.

I understand this viewpoint, and personally would much prefer the terrorists stand trial under a Nuremburg trial format, as it has been supported over and over again by legal minds across the world as excellent model for trying war criminals. But I respectfully disagree that this administration is putting America on trial. Instead, I firmly believe that their goal is demonstrating to the world that no matter who you are the United States will give even the most evil people the fairest trial possible. Unlike so much of the rest of the world.

Since KSM and the other scumbags have admitted their involvement during preliminary proceedings at Guantanamo the verdict is not in doubt. It is all about publicity for them. To short-circuit this, no live TV coverage, though video will be made of the entire proceedings for posterity.

nooshinjohn

I am neither left or right in my views, I believe in the Constitution, and that if it is not adhered to as intended by the founding fathers, the result is chaos, and the loss of freedom.

I understand this viewpoint, and personally would much prefer the terrorists stand trial under a Nuremburg trial format, as it has been supported over and over again by legal minds across the world as excellent model for trying war criminals. But I respectfully disagree that this administration is putting America on trial. Instead, I firmly believe that their goal is demonstrating to the world that no matter who you are the United States will give even the most evil people the fairest trial possible. Unlike so much of the rest of the world.

Since KSM and the other scumbags have admitted their involvement during preliminary proceedings at Guantanamo the verdict is not in doubt. It is all about publicity for them. To short-circuit this, no live TV coverage, though video will be made of the entire proceedings for posterity.

Depending upon the Judge that hears the case, there may be no trial. While I feel the likelihood of this occuring is slim, there is precident for such a dismissal happening. All evidence and information gathered from their interogations likely will be tossed, and the Government's case could be tossed by a judge for any number of reasons, including misconduct on the part of the Government. I believe waterboarding will fall under that catagory.

Polkersince85

"Times change and men often with it, but principles never."
Alexander H. Stevens