Mantis-b&k

dholmes
dholmes Posts: 1,136
edited April 2003 in Electronics
You are a fan of b&k, what is your opinion of the b&k reference 30 av pre-amp? Does it have 7.1, ddex dtses, thx ? thanks
My HT set-up Panasonic front proj, 120 in ws screen, ATI amp,Integra 9.8 pre-pro, 2 Polk rti150, cp 1000, 4 fx 1000, Pioneer blu-ray 2 SVS sub pb 12-ultra 2, & Paragon popcorn popper. ps 3 Coaster leather HT recliners.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited April 2003
    http://www.bkcomp.com/ref.html
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    dholmes,
    Not only am I a big...HUGE...fan of B&K,I own it.I own the avr307,soon to be upgraded to the avr507.

    Yes to all your questions.Remember your not buying a preamp thats going in the trash,it's fully hardware and software upgradable.THX is a very big part of B&K.They believe in THX fully and so do I.Most people knock what they don't understand....thats ok they can miss out and other will benefit.
    I assume you found a good deal on a used one or a new left over????

    Talk to me........
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by mantis
    Most people knock what they don't understand....thats ok they can miss out and other will benefit.
    Talk to me........

    Trust me when i say i understand more than given credit. I prefer buying equipment without presupposed notions about my room dimensions.

    Thanks

    H
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    HBombToo
    really???????

    It's all good my man,THX or not,enjoy if you can
    Dan
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited April 2003
    I do................ of my own accord! imo if you live in a land of marketing hype you have lost whats important!

    TET :lol:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by HBombToo
    I do................ of my own accord! imo if you live in a land of marketing hype you have lost whats important!

    TET :lol:
    well I'm glad at least you understand that.I feel some people are in to much of a hurry and miss out on learning more about what they are getting into......shame but fact of today.....no one has anytime.....sad man sad
    Dan
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited April 2003
    Dan,
    Tweeter is selling avr307 for $2150, is that about the going rate today?
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    yeah new in the box,what a fantastic price for a fantastic receiver.......INTERGRADED...WAAAAAAAA
    Dan
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    you get into the avr307 for 2150,then upgrade it to avr507 statis for around 700.00,you have the latest and greatest for 2850.00.......can't beat it at that price anywhere.......with anything......no way...
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited April 2003
    btw, the tweeter that I frequented is in the midst of re-gearing their high-end demo room, I saw ref50 with ref 200.2 are in, replacing the 307....
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    cool, did you sit for a listen?
    Dan
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited April 2003
    No, unfortunately they are not done with the setup...besides, there is a ref50 already sitting in my living room waiting. I am traveling again this week, back in Miami...
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    If I had a ref50 waiting in my livingroom,I would have problems leaving it..........so sad to hear.........does a full review mean anything to you when your finished setting up and testing ....maybe a good A B VS Rotel?????????????
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited April 2003
    all in due time, bro! full review and perhaps some new pictures. I learned on the plane today, of the ultra 2 features, especially the surround back speaker setup. I am compiling a list of questions for you and Tour on ref50 features, btw, where is Mr. Tour?
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    missing in action I guess.......Well when your ready man I will answer away.......read the manual 2x's.........or more...there alot in there..........happy reading.......THX here you come..........
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by polkatese
    btw, where is Mr. Tour?

    Still on a road trip I think.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,753
    edited April 2003
    He should be home Wednesday.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • eulogyt00l
    eulogyt00l Posts: 45
    edited April 2003
    Hey mantis (or anyone), have you heard the new B&k507 yet? If so I would like to know what you think of it. As posted before I currently own a Denon Avr-5803 but a friend of mine wants to buy it and I am thinking about switching to B&K for a change. I am just wondering if the new B&K beats out the 5803 or if I should stick with my Denon. I don't live in a big city so I can't audition one either. Thanks again.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by eulogyt00l
    Hey mantis (or anyone), have you heard the new B&k507 yet? If so I would like to know what you think of it. As posted before I currently own a Denon Avr-5803 but a friend of mine wants to buy it and I am thinking about switching to B&K for a change. I am just wondering if the new B&K beats out the 5803 or if I should stick with my Denon. I don't live in a big city so I can't audition one either. Thanks again.
    Big questions require a big answer.........
    There are differences between the 2 receivers and they are personal choice to make.Needs need to be addressed.
    1)Sound quality,always first and formost on my list.I feel the B&K dominates here.
    2)Features,Denon all the way,no one and I mean no one gives you more then the avr5803.It's as loaded as it gets.These features you need to take advantage of to decide on this.B&K doesn't have all the bells and whistles.
    3)Flexability and future upgrades,both of which are upgradeable but B&K takes it to the next level.Denon is really trying to explore what B&K has been doing for years.
    4)Connectability.Denon wins again,nothing has more connectability then the avr5803.B&K is no slouch here but cannot compete.
    Breakdown....
    If you own a Laserdisc player,Denon has a built in RF demodulator,B&K you have to buy there external.Same goes with Phono,B&K doesn't have a phono stage inside,again and external phono stage is needed.Denon is fully loaded.

    So you need to go threw both receivers and see where your need lay.Have I listened to both???Many times over.B&K is far superior in sound quality and dynamic range.There amp section is second to no receiver made.Denon rules the connectability and feature market,good sound quality but can be taken out by alot of others here.......
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • eulogyt00l
    eulogyt00l Posts: 45
    edited April 2003
    Oh man, I will have to think on that for awhile. I hate making tough decisions like this, with no clear-cut winner. I am going to try my hardest to track down a B&K dealer in a nearby city so I can hear the 507 because I have been seeing things online that says its amp section is the best out there. Thanks again for your advice and answering my question mantis you really know your stuff.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    If the amp section is what you want to look at,here's a cool thing to look at........
    The Denon avr5803 has 15 amps of peak power......
    The B&K avr507 has 42 amps of peak power.........
    Yes so the B&K has plenty more of dymamic power.It has 4 really big caps for power storage.....big blue badass caps..I just like Looking at them,I get this warm and fuzzy feeling inside........
    Hey your welcome man.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited April 2003
    Big Blue Badass Caps, I guess that about sums it up!

    Sorry, struck me funny, carry on. ;)

    Cheers,
    Rooster
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • eulogyt00l
    eulogyt00l Posts: 45
    edited April 2003
    I don't get the amps of power thing. Denon is supposed to have like 230 watts of power driving 4ohm speakers, and B&K 185 watts. And I know watts don't always equal power. But does having more amps and dynamic range mean that it can power speakers more easily or what? I only ask because I am seriously considering B&K and upon downloading the 507 manual and looking, it seems to have just as many or more surround processing/decoding modes than Denon and seems to be alot easier to use.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited April 2003
    eulogyt001, unless Denon changes it amp spec, I believe they are "officially" certified to run a load within 6-16 ohms range, and I believe 507 can handle 185 watts per channel, ALL channels driven (7 speakers.) Having said that, 5803 is definitely capable running 4 ohms load with ease. If I were you, if you can get decent price for your 5803 from your friend, I would jump to 507.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • eulogyt00l
    eulogyt00l Posts: 45
    edited April 2003
    I'm very tempted to get the 507 but I just wish I didn't live in such a damn small town so I could actually hear one. I just don't know if it will be worth the extra cost. And also will it be a good match with my LSI speakers compared with the 5803? Please keep the opinions coming, I need them.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    The avr507 has 42 amps of driving power.The avr5803 has 15....thats a big..huge difference.Denon also plays the numbers game,it's old but hey they get away with it.The Denon avr5803 is only 170watts with 1 channel driven into a 8 ohm load a 1khz.They fall way off of that when you add channels..B&K is a true 150 watt at 8 ohm in all 7 channels driving 20 to 20....

    Sound quality driving the LSI series,I feel the B&K is superior in everyway.Denon is no slouch but it's your ears that need to decide.If you can't go listen to the 2,then I say stay where you are at.NO one and I mean no one can out shine the avr5803 for features.No one.
    B&K just simply sounds better,that my opnion.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • eulogyt00l
    eulogyt00l Posts: 45
    edited April 2003
    I've heard to much good things about the 507. I think I am going to go ahead and get it. If anything it will be a nice (and hopefully better) change.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    eulogyt00l,
    going in blind huh,good luck................................
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited April 2003
    eulogyt00l,
    I am sure you will be happy with the 507...with that, it is a matter of time before we welcome you to the Simply Better Club (as Dan put it)...

    Dan,
    it's a growing sub-group here, SBC that is! one MIA is still unaccounted for....Tour2ma
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited April 2003
    he needs to get with thte porogram....SBC we need tee shirts
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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