Experience with Monarchy?

Jetmaker737
Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,047
edited November 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
Anybody familiar with these amps or their predecessor?

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1262129057&/Monarchy-se-100-delux-mk2-sing

Thanks,
Jet
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2009
    Outstanding company, outstanding products, outstanding customer service. Truly a high end product for a decent price.

    Those would handle just about any speaker you throw at it. What speakers specifically are you talking about?

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited November 2009
    I have a pair of these here now, they don't sound very good still in the box, need to get them out
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  • Jetmaker737
    Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,047
    edited November 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    What speakers specifically are you talking about?

    Thanks for the input guys!

    My speakers are LSi-15's
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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited November 2009
    hoosier21 wrote: »
    I have a pair of these here now, they don't sound very good still in the box, need to get them out

    Youre either lazy or have too much gear in rotation...... :D

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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited November 2009
    Jetmaker737 wrote: »
    Anybody familiar with these amps or their predecessor?

    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1262129057&/Monarchy-se-100-delux-mk2-sing

    Thanks,
    Jet

    Thats a good price for New mono-blocs.
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  • glicapcin
    glicapcin Posts: 1
    edited November 2009
    thanks,,
    Youre either lazy or have too much gear in rotation......
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,500
    edited November 2009
    glicapcin wrote: »
    thanks,,
    Youre either lazy or have too much gear in rotation......

    And you're a useless spammer...reported.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2009
    Anything from Monarchy is worth every penny you pay. Priced VERY fairly and Poon stands behind everything he makes. No customer service runaround either. You talk directly to the man himself if you have an issue. And I bet every issue is resolved, should there really ever be an issue, to complete satisfaction.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2009
    hoosier21 wrote: »
    I have a pair of these here now, they don't sound very good still in the box, need to get them out

    LOL too funny.
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  • Jetmaker737
    Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,047
    edited November 2009
    Is there a downside to pure class A other than perhaps heat?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2009
    Jetmaker737 wrote: »
    Is there a downside to pure class A other than perhaps heat?

    Nope, just heat. Some will chime and say heat affects longevity. There is some truth to that but the types of higher end amps (these included) use parts that are rugged enough and well built enough it's not an issue because they are designed to be used in a more rugged environment.

    You'll find it'll take 30-60 minutes for you amps to sound their best simply because it take time for the bias to stabilize and the parts to get to their best operating temperature for the most liquid and open sound. My Aleph take about 45 minutes and sounds best after about 2 hours of being powered up.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Jetmaker737
    Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,047
    edited November 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    You'll find it'll take 30-60 minutes for you amps to sound their best simply because it take time for the bias to stabilize and the parts to get to their best operating temperature for the most liquid and open sound. My Aleph take about 45 minutes and sounds best after about 2 hours of being powered up.

    Interesting... do you generally leave them powered on then? Or do they consume a lot of juice at idle?
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2009
    Jetmaker737 wrote: »
    Is there a downside to pure class A other than perhaps heat?

    Power consumption.

    The high bias levels means that even when at idle it will draw more power from the wall than a similarily powered Class A/B design. Class A is only about 25% efficient vs the 40-50 % of Class A/B or the 90% of Class D.As a result much of the power drawn from the wall is waisted in heat instead of being used to drive the load.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2009
    My Pass draws 200 watts at idle (for a 30wpc amp) and it's full on at all times. I do leave it powered up if I know I'm going to be using the rig. It will raise the temp 2-4* in a 10' x 24' room.

    My brother had the Monarchy SM70's the smaller version of the amps your considering and they ran warm but not hot at idle.

    My Pass you can't leave your hands on the heat sinks for more than 5-7 seconds w/o lots of discomfort.

    There are different definitions of class A as far how much bias is considered to be classified as class A. Some believe bias set at 2 to 2.5 times the rated continuous output is considered class A. Nelson Pass feels true pure single ended class A starts with a bias of 4 to 5 times the rated continuous output.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2009
    Class A is Class A,the question is to what power level can it sustain operation in that mode.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2009
    pure Class A operates to it's full output in class A.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2009
    Yes.
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