Please, someone someone shoot the lady in the red dress.

nooshinjohn

Cpyder wrote: »

+1.

The majority of people you talk to have such strong opinions but when the **** hits the fan, they don't get involved. I too have strong opinions. So what did I do about it? I got out, knocked on doors and got people signed up to vote or gave them information on how to obtain absentee ballots.

I knew you worked for ACORN:eek:

Cpyder

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I knew you worked for ACORN:eek:

haha! Nope, sorry.

janmike

I see you point now Mike. That is scary for sure.

nadams

What happened to no politics on this forum?

dkg999

nadams wrote: »

What happened to no politics on this forum?

I'd like to know what happened to politics in our government?

shepx2

nadams wrote: »

What happened to no politics on this forum?

If the republicans were pushing this crap on us, I'd be just as mad. This isn't politics. It's survival. Do you want a government contractor cutting you open? I don't.

SolidSqual

Quoted from a string of PMs:

xj4094dg wrote:

SolidSqual wrote:

xj4094dg wrote:

Perhaps it was anonymous at first, but, I don't know, it appears as though you are calling for someone to shoot the Speaker of the Unites States House of Representatives. WTF? :eek:

Politics aside, are you serious?

Absolutely not. I was merely expressing my figurative frustration. She's a grandma for god's sake.

****. I wonder how the secret service would see it. You know this kind of **** crosses the line. Do the right thing. Retract.

P.S. I don't want Nancy Pelosi dead, just outta government. So much for sarcasm and a sense of humor.

nooshinjohn

I understand your sarcasm... and agree she needs to be shown the door, with a good swift kick thrown in for good measure. However, XJ raises a valid point. There is little doubt that the gov has reacted swiftly and not to kindly for such things being said in the past...

xj4094dg

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I understand your sarcasm... and agree she needs to be shown the door, with a good swift kick thrown in for good measure. However, XJ raises a valid point. There is little doubt that the gov has reacted swiftly and not to kindly for such things being said in the past...

Thank you nooshinjohn. BTW. I was trying to keep this private. This is, after all, not supposed to be a political forum. Apologies to all for the public posts.

MacLeod

Cpyder wrote: »

Well, there's the temporary option of a government takeover of several key banks and industries, which were absolutely doomed to fail without government intervention at the time, or let them fail and see what an actual great depression feels like.

Bull. They shouldve let them fail. Propping up a failing company with a temporary infusion of cash is like you being homeless and finding $20 on the ground. Yeah youll get a good meal and feel better but pretty soon yourll realize youre still homeless.

I don't like it either, but I don't see any other option. Even in hindsight. The problem isn't government takeovers, it's that these companies were allowed to get this big - that if they failed, the economy goes down with them.

Bull again. 1st off, the government has no business deciding which companies are "too big". This recession happened BECAUSE of the government plain and simple. They require banks to give $300,000 loans to people making $20,000 a year for "diversities sake". Since anybody can get a loan houses start springing up everywhere deluding the market with houses. Then you have the loans go **** up and a glut of houses on the market which means lower property value and youre in trouble. Not to mention the $5/gallon gas due to the government making 85% of our oil reserves off limits to kick the whole thing off. If these companies had failed, it wouldve hurt no doubt but the market wouldve corrected itself. Instead we simply prolonged this and maybe even made it worse.

"These democrats are some evil people."

Let the record show that the president signed the first bailout bill into law and did not veto it. Psst - He was a republican.

Absolutely right. Bush is to blame for a lot of this crap with 8 years of his big government policies. He did open the door to fascism by signing the TARP bill. But I guarantee you he would never had taken over GM and Chrysler as well as Wall Street. He never wouldve signed on the taking over the health care industry. He never wouldnt signed on to the cap and trade bill that by Obama's own admission will "cause energy costs to skyrocket" and I guarantee you he never wouldve allowed a "pay czar" to tell companies how much they can pay. Bush did open the door for this but the democrats, unchecked since they own Congress and the White House, that are doing all this. Using the force of government to take over the private sector is pure evil.

SolidSqual

xj4094dg wrote: »

Thank you nooshinjohn. BTW. I was trying to keep this private. This is, after all, not supposed to be a political forum. Apologies to all for the public posts.

No need to keep it private. My intention was never to call a hit on a US official no matter their political leanings. IF you had a problem then someone else may have as well. I am addressing it publicly to kill two birds with one stone.

exalted512

I, for one, thought you really wanted her dead...

/sarcasm.

I seriously wonder how people make it through the day sometimes.
-Cody

Shizelbs

libertarianism, think about it

anhchungdoan

SolidSqual wrote: »

. . . Wait for it.

. . . wait.



















































Oh yeah!

Thank you. The truth has prevailed. Reality bites !!!!!

vc69

Q:Has Chrysler received government bailout before?

A:n 1979 Chrysler had assets of $13.6 billion and thousands of employees, but it was also on the verge of bankruptcy. To save the faltering giant, Lee Iacocca, Chrysler's new chairman of the board, asked Congress for a $1 billion loan, special tax concessions, and relief from environmental regulations. Iacocca pointed out that Congress had recently aided the troubled Lockheed Corporation and that the government regularly aided small businesses. Near the end of 1979 Congress agreed to a $1 billion loan if Chrysler raised $2 billion on its own.

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I was never in favor of the bail outs.

Funny thing is, my parents were. They are staunch republicans, in their 70's, and very hard hit by the recession. Now, because Obama won the election, they are blaming him for the bailout.

Point is, why did all the rules change for republicans when Obama took office? I'm no fanboy. I don't agree with everything that is going on in Washington. But I don't flip position on any given policy depending on who is in the white house either. It's hypocritical at best.

Where was all this wailing and gnashing of teeth when Bush was driving us off the cliff?

nooshinjohn

vc69 wrote: »

Where was all this wailing and gnashing of teeth when Bush was driving us off the cliff?

It was here to be certain... but the threads were locked and deleted.

inspiredsports

vc69 wrote: »

Q:Has Chrysler received government bailout before?

A:n 1979 Chrysler had assets of $13.6 billion and thousands of employees, but it was also on the verge of bankruptcy. To save the faltering giant, Lee Iacocca, Chrysler's new chairman of the board, asked Congress for a $1 billion loan, special tax concessions, and relief from environmental regulations. Iacocca pointed out that Congress had recently aided the troubled Lockheed Corporation and that the government regularly aided small businesses. Near the end of 1979 Congress agreed to a $1 billion loan if Chrysler raised $2 billion on its own.

_________________________________________________________________________

I was never in favor of the bail outs.

Funny thing is, my parents were. They are staunch republicans, in their 70's, and very hard hit by the recession. Now, because Obama won the election, they are blaming him for the bailout.

Point is, why did all the rules change for republicans when Obama took office? I'm no fanboy. I don't agree with everything that is going on in Washington. But I don't flip position on any given policy depending on who is in the white house either. It's hypocritical at best.

Where was all this wailing and gnashing of teeth when Bush was driving us off the cliff?

But please understand, Chrysler was a LOAN.

With GM, the US Government took an EQUITY POSITION. It does not show up as DEBT does on a balance sheet. So now they (Government) can call the shots, but trust me, not "of the people, for the people" kinds of shots. Govt. installed the new CEO and set his pay and are controlling some aspects of GM's company policies. It is absolutely FRIGHTENING!

Now, being one step closer to controlling what will become more than 1/5 of the economy, we'd better redouble our calls to BOTH our state and federal legislators to express that the Senate must not pass this piece of puke.


It is a long slippery slope that we are now descending, and unfortunately for our children and grandchildren, I don't believe we will ever be able to climb back up and over the edge to freedom and safety again

Jstas

...just wanted to be in before this one hit the HOS.

inspiredsports

I know it's in the rules, but a little bit more freedom of speech here might help the country.

comfortablycurt

I'd just like to know when we're having this Polkfest that Keiko is hosting.

Is he going to cover airfare to Hawaii for everyone?

If not, I'm riding with Inspiredsports in his camper/yacht.

vc69

inspiredsports wrote: »

But please understand, Chrysler was a LOAN.

With GM the US Government took an EQUITY POSITION. It does not show up as DEBT does on a balance sheet. So now they (Government) can call the shots, and trust me, not "of the people, for the people" kinds of shots. Govt. installed the new CEO and set his pay.

It is a long slippery slope that we are now descending, and unfortunately for our children and grandchildren, I don't believe we will ever be able to climb back up and over the edge to freedom and safety again

I would think that as majority shareholders, we would want new leadership. AFAICT, the old leadership was driving GM into the ground. Besides, those sonsabitches came begging for handouts. F' em. Don't buy GM.

Look, I effing hate the idea of golden parachutes for all of these wall street *****oles. The problem is, it's the former white house that initiated the damn things. I completely disagree with Obama leaving the foxes to guard the hen house, but once that process started, who else was going to handle it?
Not many in this country are qualified or have the wherewithal to handle it.

Wall street is den of thieves. Who else can justify major bonuses for steeling the value of the market and putting it their own pockets?

I still fail to see how all of this is Obama's fault. It was a problem long before he came into office. And I fail to see any suggestions for fixing this problem, only complaints about how this party or that party is wrong. Really, it's a load of horsh*t and worth even less in the grand scheme of things.

What are we going to DO about it?

inspiredsports

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I'd just like to know when we're having this Polkfest that Keiko is hosting.

Is he going to cover airfare to Hawaii for everyone?

If not, I'm riding with Inspiredsports in his camper/yacht.

Welcome aboard, matey!

. . . speaking of airfare, the 6 of us flew to Hawaii for 35,000 credit card air miles each in 2006, for 70,000 credit card air miles in 2008, and I now notice it's up to 90,000 credit card air miles for the trip we are planning for summer 2010.

I think the camper/yacht is the right answer!

P.S.: I still need help choosing which Polks will sound best in a limited space.

MillerLiteScott

I was standing 10 deep in a line today at the post office with no one at the counter. There were two 60-70 year old men in front of me complaining about the service, our Tax dollars at work and the cost of a stamp. Finally one of the clerks sauntered out, fiddled for about 2 minutes and then said next and the line started to move. A second clerk sauntered out even slower than the first and said next. Meanwhile a lady came in and rung a bell for a clerk from the back to come because she needed a cart for a lot of mail from a commercial company and the second clerk said to her. "You can ring it but I don't think anybody will come." The lady said she needed a cart for her large quantity of mail and the clerk told her to get in the line and wait for her turn. The line was now about 14-15 deep at this point.

When I reached the counter I handed my delivery notice card to her and she looked at it and said this is old. It is dated 10-7-09 and I said I found it in my mailbox today and I am expecting a package. She said I will have to go check the computer and went in the back for another 5 minutes or so and came back with my package. The contents of my package were also damaged when I opened it up at home.

Slow unfriendly service, human error and damaged goods. The post office also losses several billion dollars a year providing this service.

All that I could think of is I hope this is not how health care will be if it passes the Senate.

My observation of the day.

Scott

tonyb

MillerLiteScott wrote: »

I was standing 10 deep in a line today at the post office with no one at the counter. There were two 60-70 year old men in front of me complaining about the service, our Tax dollars at work and the cost of a stamp. Finally one of the clerks sauntered out, fiddled for about 2 minutes and then said next and the line started to move. A second clerk sauntered out even slower than the first and said next. Meanwhile a lady came in and rung a bell for a clerk from the back to come because she needed a cart for a lot of mail from a commercial company and the second clerk said to her. "You can ring it but I don't think anybody will come." The lady said she needed a cart for her large quantity of mail and the clerk told her to get in the line and wait for her turn. The line was now about 14-15 deep at this point.

When I reached the counter I handed my delivery notice card to her and she looked at it and said this is old. It is dated 10-7-09 and I said I found it in my mailbox today and I am expecting a package. She said I will have to go check the computer and went in the back for another 5 minutes or so and came back with my package. The contents of my package were also damaged when I opened it up at home.

Slow unfriendly service, human error and damaged goods. The post office also losses several billion dollars a year providing this service.

All that I could think of is I hope this is not how health care will be if it passes the Senate.

My observation of the day.

Scott

I believe the catch phrase was "hope and change". Nice glimpse into the future of HC.

POIDOG

vc69 wrote: »

Wall street is den of thieves. Who else can justify major bonuses for steeling the value of the market and putting it their own pockets?

I still fail to see how all of this is Obama's fault.

Obama has been in government for a long time & Washington's House of theives have their pockets stuffed with Wall street types, no matter the party. I don't see Obama as a socialist, but he is one big fat crony :eek:

What to do, how about term limits for a starter, might help "we the people" get back our government

Cpyder

MacLeod wrote: »

Bull again. 1st off, the government has no business deciding which companies are "too big". This recession happened BECAUSE of the government plain and simple. They require banks to give $300,000 loans to people making $20,000 a year for "diversities sake". Since anybody can get a loan houses start springing up everywhere deluding the market with houses. Then you have the loans go **** up and a glut of houses on the market which means lower property value and youre in trouble. Not to mention the $5/gallon gas due to the government making 85% of our oil reserves off limits to kick the whole thing off. If these companies had failed, it wouldve hurt no doubt but the market wouldve corrected itself. Instead we simply prolonged this and maybe even made it worse.

Well it is the government's responsibility to help maintain a competitive market. For example - in most cases monopolies are illegal because they create a lack of economic competition. I do agree the government had a role in this economic downturn but probably not for the same reasons you have. I think a lack of government oversight in the banking industries was a huge part of this current predicament we're in. (Notice I said oversight and not regulations.) Predatory lending and the manners in which loans were valued was another big part.

I don't think any economist is arguing this recession had much to do with offshore drilling. Please cite your sources on this one. I'd like to hear why you think this.

As far as the bailout, I believe any president would have done the same. I think this way because of these outcomes:

1. You pass the bailout bills and buy out some failing companies,
Then,
the economy recovers.
- You look like a hero
the economy falls apart.
- No one can say you didn't try.

2. You don't pass the bailout bills and don't buy out some failing companies,
Then,
the economy recovers.
- Great. No one remembers that you didn't do anything.
the economy falls apart.
- This is by far the worst scenario. You really can't take this risk. Everyone will hate you for being a lame duck - you have no chance of being re-elected, and you'll have increased difficulties trying to gain any groups' trust again in the rest of your term.


Number 2 is a risk that no president could afford to take.

Cpyder

inspiredsports wrote: »

It is a long slippery slope that we are now descending, and unfortunately for our children and grandchildren, I don't believe we will ever be able to climb back up and over the edge to freedom and safety again

I'm a grandchild to my grandparents who lived during the Great Depression. This current recession is not half as bad. What if my grandparents said the same thing you just did. How true did it turn out to be?

I don't understand some people pessimism. I once heard someone say that the economy won't recover for 10 years. I've heard people say that America won't be around much longer. In fact, obieone made a similar remark. Where is your American optimism?!

Have you not noticed that the longest recession since the Great Depression lasted for just 1 year, 4 months. Or that unemployment levels have been above 7% seven times since 1938. That the early 1980s recession had an unemployment level of 10.8% - higher than it is now. Have you not noticed that the Dow Jones Industrial Average has grown 56% since it's lowest point back in March. That there's been 12 recessions since the Great Depression and America has sprung back from every single one!

There's not one reason to believe America won't come out of this recession stronger than ever before!

kevhed72

Good to see someone making a positive argument around here Cpyder...and there are actually facts to back it up!!!

Demiurge

Cpyder wrote: »

I'm a grandchild to my grandparents who lived during the Great Depression. This current recession is not half as bad. What if my grandparents said the same thing you just did. How true did it turn out to be?

I don't understand some people pessimism. I once heard someone say that the economy won't recover for 10 years. I've heard people say that America won't be around much longer. In fact, obieone made a similar remark. Where is your American optimism?!

Have you not noticed that the longest recession since the Great Depression lasted for just 1 year, 4 months. Or that unemployment levels have been above 7% seven times since 1938. That the early 1980s recession had an unemployment level of 10.8% - higher than it is now. Have you not noticed that the Dow Jones Industrial Average has grown 56% since it's lowest point back in March. That there's been 12 recessions since the Great Depression and America has sprung back from every single one!

There's not one reason to believe America won't come out of this recession stronger than ever before!

The argument isn't whether we can pull ourselves out of this....it's that SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY is NOT the way to do it. We are a country with an independent spirit and I'm getting a little tired of picking of the slack of the lazy. We have the richest poor of any country in the world. It's pathetic.

So yes, when the government is spending and printing more and more money, there is reason to worry. This economy stands the very real chance of collapsing under it's own weight.

Fortunately I do have faith we'll be able to turn it around despite the sorry **** excuse for leadership this country has right now.