Meet the new Toyota Celica....or Scion tC

Danny Tse
Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
edited March 2012 in The Clubhouse
Officially known as the FT-86, this new Toyota coupe could possibly be the next Toyota Celica or Scion tC. Powered by a 2.0 liter "boxster" engine (hmmm....wonder where that engine come from?) and is rumored to be priced at about $20K.

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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,809
    edited November 2009
    That's been a long-time joint venture between Subaru and Toyota. People keep calling it the Subota or Toybaru.

    Who knows what Toyota will call thier version but it might not be a Toyota or Scion at all and badged as a Lexus. But it's been in the ether for about a year now.

    Honda also has that LS-F which is some kind of crazy hot rod as well.
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  • BIZILL
    BIZILL Posts: 5,432
    edited November 2009
    i won't lie, that thing is sexy!

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2009
    Jstas wrote: »
    That's been a long-time joint venture between Subaru and Toyota. People keep calling it the Subota or Toybaru.

    Who knows what Toyota will call thier version but it might not be a Toyota or Scion at all and badged as a Lexus. But it's been in the ether for about a year now.

    Honda also has that LS-F which is some kind of crazy hot rod as well.

    Badging this car a Lexas will bump the projected price up beyond the $20K quoted by Auto Guide.

    Referring to the Honda you mentioned, do you mean the $375K 200mph Lexas LF-A?

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  • BIZILL
    BIZILL Posts: 5,432
    edited November 2009
    a low-profile "spoiler" is a must on this thing.

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  • woodsman10b
    woodsman10b Posts: 408
    edited November 2009
    those are 2 very hot looking cars!
    Most of them only hear how loud it sounds, and the rest of us hear everything else - :rolleyes:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,396
    edited November 2009
    I can confirm the "boxer" engine comes directly from Subaru. In exchange Subaru gets a version of this car to be the next Impreza and access to Toyota's Prius hybrid technology for an all new model coming out in 2011 or 2012.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited November 2009
    Well anything's an improvement over teh current Impreza styling, so I hope that's true.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,511
    edited November 2009
    Typical fugly Japanese styling.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited November 2009
    Looks like they tried to copy this Hyundai Genesis....








    Actually...the Hyundai looks better imo.
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  • JohnLocke88
    JohnLocke88 Posts: 1,150
    edited November 2009
    Eh... I'll keep my current tC; I still don't think there's a better looking econo-coupe for the money :D
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2009
    Didn't Hyundai just took the wraps off of a 500hp V8 Genesis coupe?
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited November 2009
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Didn't Hyundai just took the wraps off of a 500hp V8 Genesis coupe?

    I think it was something more in the range of 375 or so.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    I think it was something more in the range of 375 or so.

    Oops! It was actually a tuner who modded the Genesis coupe into a 500hp monster with a top speed of over 180mph
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited February 2010
    Not all news at Toyota is negative these days. Looks like the FT-86 is getting ready to by "hot rodded" by TRD....

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  • Zeros
    Zeros Posts: 940
    edited February 2010
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Officially known as the FT-86, this new Toyota coupe could possibly be the next Toyota Celica or Scion tC.

    Looks like the name is a reference to the old AE-86's of legend, one of the drifter's favorites.

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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited February 2010
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2010
    JohnLocke88 wrote: »
    Eh... I'll keep my current tC; I still don't think there's a better looking econo-coupe for the money :D

    This isn't too bad looking

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited February 2010
    Zeros wrote: »
    Looks like the name is a reference to the old AE-86's of legend, one of the drifter's favorites.

    It is....notice the Corolla AE-86 sitting right behind the modded FT-86?
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  • Zeros
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    edited February 2010
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    It is....notice the Corolla AE-86 sitting right behind the modded FT-86?

    Now I did. Thanks. I didn't even think to look in the background.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited February 2010
    I'd like Toyota to use the STI engine in that car. Then I might consider buying one. :D
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  • Zitro
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    edited February 2010
    I'd take the Genesis coupe. Probably will be a bit cheaper, looks better IMO and the engine (at least the i-4) is a tuners dream. Plus, going against the grain is always fun. And, the reference to the AE-86 bugs me; that car is a classic and should be left alone. If they put individual throttle bodies like the original, I'd be more content :)
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited February 2010
    Zitro wrote: »
    I'd take the Genesis coupe. Probably will be a bit cheaper, looks better IMO and the engine (at least the i-4) is a tuners dream. Plus, going against the grain is always fun. And, the reference to the AE-86 bugs me; that car is a classic and should be left alone. If they put individual throttle bodies like the original, I'd be more content :)

    Well, the original didn't have ITBs, soo..... ;)

    But yes, it bugs me too. For other reasons.
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    edited February 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Well, the original didn't have ITBs, soo..... ;)

    But yes, it bugs me too. For other reasons.

    Yeah it is/was like a $3k upgrade. Looks cool though.

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    edited February 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Typical fugly Japanese styling.
    Going to agree. These guys really need to step out of the car styling box and try something radically different. Toyota, Honda and Nissan, while very popular produce the most boring looking cars, period.
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  • concealer404
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    edited February 2010
    Zeros wrote: »
    Yeah it is/was like a $3k upgrade. Looks cool though.

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    That's a Silvertop 20v 4age. That didn't exist when the AE86 was in production. What i was saying was that Toyota never offered the AE86 from the factory with ITBs. ;) The Silvertop HAD ITBS from factory, but they weren't open like that either. It was ITBs within a plenum, not open velocity stacks like that, and wasn't available til the AE101.
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  • Jstas
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    edited February 2010
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Badging this car a Lexas will bump the projected price up beyond the $20K quoted by Auto Guide.

    Referring to the Honda you mentioned, do you mean the $375K 200mph Lexas LF-A?

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    I didn't see this when it was posted originally.

    No, I do not mean the Lexus. I mean the Honda replacement for the NSX which seems to have been recently killed or put on hiatus until further notice. It still does not seem to have an official name. Currently it's referred to as the HSV-010.

    This is the car I was referring to:

    Production Concept
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    Super GT based Race Car version
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    Some info: http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1023039_preview-hondas-600hp-v10-nsx-replacement
    Updated: Honda’s replacement for the NSX is still more than two years away but a number of key details about the car have been revealed by an inside source at Honda. According to the insider, the styling of the new car will be very similar to the Advanced Sports Car Concept from last year’s Detroit Auto Show and its future price tag will be around the $160,000 mark.

    The car’s lines will favor efficiency over style, with much of the design derived from Honda’s F1 program. According to Edmunds, a prototype set a blistering Nurburgring lap time of 7m 37s on its first attempt and the final number should easily slip below 7m 30s and into Corvette ZR1 and Nissan GT-R territory.

    The key to its performance is high-speed stability. The rear section of the car supposedly acts as a giant rear diffuser, designed to keep the 1,476kg (3,256lb) supercar glued to the road. The other factor in the performance equation is the car’s 5.5L V10 engine, which the insider revealed would output upwards of 600hp (450kW) and 433lb-ft (586Nm) of torque. When not at its peak, the engine will be able to deactivate half of its cylinders to save fuel and lower emissions. Drive will be sent to an uprated Super-Handling AWD system via a new six-speed dual-clutch transmission.

    Original: Honda’s NSX replacement has had several false starts, with the company scrapping one of its original designs – the Acura Advanced Sports Car Concept - after the public’s largely negative response to the 2007 Detroit show car. Designers were sent back to the drawing board and Honda was forced to abandon its original plans to show the car at the following Tokyo Motor Show.

    Despite the drawbacks, engineers were able to continue testing the new mechanicals for the car by using a modified S2000 body and we saw the first test-mules running laps at the Nurburgring by the middle of last year. The latest round of spy shots suggest Honda has come up with a final design for the car, as seen by this latest prototype once again spotted at the Nurburgring in Germany that's very likely to be the replacement for the legendary Honda supercar.

    Speaking with MotorAuthority back in April, Acura spokesman Mike Spencer confirmed several details of the upcoming NSX replacement. The car will definitely be powered by a V10 engine, and it will be equipped with the company’s SH-AWD system. The lack of intakes at the rear of the car also confirms the NSX replacement will feature a front-engine configuration, as opposed to the mid-engine layout of the former.

    There has been some discussion of a possible four-wheel steering system (4WS) for the NSX replacement, but Spencer suggested the SH-AWD system would achieve most of the benefits of 4WS without the added complexity.

    The NSX replacement is now expected to arrive sometime in 2010 as a 2011 model with final pricing expected to be revealed closer to the car's release date.

    When I was seeing news stories about it a year and a half ago, it was being referred to as an LSF or LSX and it was supposedly some kind of internal to Honda designation because it was rolling around in heavy camouflage at various testing grounds and race tracks and Honda was denying its existence.


    Also, this:

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    is the Honda XGA, rumored to be the replacement for the S2000.

    More info: http://www.autoblog.com/2006/04/05/xga-replacing-honda-s-s2000/

    I'd link to the original Road and Track article but it seems to have expired from the site.
    From Autoblog:

    Looks like the S2000’s epitaph has already been written, as Honda may be planning a replacement dubbed internally as the XGA. What the XGA will be when it comes online is anyone’s guess, though. Road and Track is reporting that at first it thought the S2000 replacement would grow a roof and an extra set of doors. This four-door sports coupe would employ Honda’s SH-AWD technology and possibly use some advanced hybrid powertrain.

    Now R&T is hearing from inside Honda’s hallowed halls that the XGA will be a coupe based on the RL platform and feature either a V8 or V10, probably a detuned version of what ends up powering the next Acura NSX. Word on the forums, however, is that the XGA will be slotted between the outgoing S2000 and the NSX. Rather, this vehicle isn't meant to replace Honda's high-revving roadster.

    The Sports4 Concept (shown) Honda unveiled at last year’s Tokyo Motor Show gives us the best indication of what the XGA will look like. Whether it will be four- or two-door in the end is still unknown, and whether or not it will be powerful enough to take on the likes of Nissan’s upcoming GT-R is another whole story.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited April 2011
    Looks like this may be the final production version....

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  • cokewithvanilla
    cokewithvanilla Posts: 1,777
    edited April 2011
    That thing is bad ****!

    I always wondered why companies made their cheaper cars ugly as hell (so much so that it had to be purposeful)... it seems like companies are investing in some more style for their low end models
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited April 2011
    cokewithvanilla wrote: »
    I always wondered why companies made their cheaper cars ugly as hell (so much so that it had to be purposeful)... it seems like companies are investing in some more style for their low end models

    Seems pretty simple to me - they want to make the expensive / good-looking cars more appealing by comparison.

    Plus, I'm sure it takes a lot more work to make a car that is great-looking over one that is just ordinary (though I wouldn't say all cheap cars are "ugly," just plain). The price of a car isn't the sum of its parts, but also the amount of time and engineering that went into creating it.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited April 2011
    I doubt it's the final production version, that one would barely clear a speed bump.

    I hope they keep the body style but don't do away with a nice interior. My friend's Scion is a POS inside. Everything is cheap rattly plastic. I hope the find a way to give it a nice interior.

    I wonder what kind of engine is going in it? I mean, most likely it's the Subby 2.5L but will we see a turbo version, an H6 version? (drool) Or is this just going to be a looks really pretty but doesn't go very fast car?
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