LOOKING FOR A SUB....What would work best?

bdtae5656
bdtae5656 Posts: 235
I've been looking at subs, and wanted to know what the polk audio posters think. My room is 24x36, and need a little more boom in my HT system.
Thanks,
TV:Sony Bravia XBR4 52'
Mains: Lsi m 705
C:Lsi m 706
Rears: Lsi m 703
Sub: Epik Empire
Pre:Marantz AV 7005
Amp:Sunfire TGA-7400
Blueray: Opp 93
A/V Component: Panamax M5100-PM
Cables: Signal Cable, White Zombie, MIT, Pepster's power cables
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    What is the ceiling height? Remember you are trying to pressurize cubic footage. Not square.

    Regardless you will need something that can move some air. I would recommend the Klipsch P312w since you didn't mention a budget. Better make it a pair:D
  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited November 2009
    For a room that size i would think you need something with a big driver! I have a Velodyne 10" and it pound's pretty good but i'm shure there is better, soemone with more experience/knowledge will chime in for shure....
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  • thuffman03
    thuffman03 Posts: 1,325
    edited November 2009
    Sunfire True Sub

    :eek:anyone shocked or suprised I suggested that?:eek:
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  • BB3
    BB3 Posts: 297
    edited November 2009
    thuffman03 wrote: »
    Sunfire True Sub

    :eek:anyone shocked or suprised I suggested that?:eek:

    Not a damn bit Sir.
    You are of course giving excellent advice thuffman03.

    Besides what Mr. thuffman03 is suggesting, I personally would scour EBay for a Velodyne with at least a 15inch woofer.
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited November 2009
    SVS, HSU, or Outlaw Great stuff on a budget
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    What is the ceiling height? Remember you are trying to pressurize cubic footage. Not square.

    Regardless you will need something that can move some air. I would recommend the Klipsch P312w since you didn't mention a budget. Better make it a pair:D

    Weak. I'll see your Klipsch and raise you a ridiculous Paradigm.

    http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/subwoofer_only-specification-20-4-5-17.paradigm
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited November 2009
    halo wrote: »
    SVS, HSU, or Outlaw Great stuff on a budget

    Agreed, also add Epik subwoofers to that bunch!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited November 2009
    bdtae5656 wrote: »
    I've been looking at subs, and wanted to know what the polk audio posters think. My room is 24x36, and need a little more boom in my HT system.
    Thanks,

    Thats a large room,maybe Dual SVS Ultra-13s:D
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited November 2009
    Epik Dynasty. (18" sub)
  • dorourke07
    dorourke07 Posts: 298
    edited November 2009
    How 'bout a MartinLogan Depth.......budget?
    Mains - LSi9's
    Center - LSiC
    Surround - pair of TL3's
    Amplification - Parasound 2125
    AVR - Onkyo 706
    CD/SACD - Onkyo DV-SP506
    SUB - MartinLogan Abyss
    55" Panasonic Viera TC-P55GT30 3D
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    Weak. I'll see your Klipsch and raise you a ridiculous Paradigm.

    http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/subwoofer_only-specification-20-4-5-17.paradigm

    I see your paradigm and raise you a quintessential Velodyne

    Remember Stalin said it best: Quantity has a quality all it's own.
  • Hawkeye
    Hawkeye Posts: 1,313
    edited November 2009
    REL. Britannia B1. Great for HT and solid for music!

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I see your paradigm and raise you a quintessential Velodyne

    Remember Stalin said it best: Quantity has a quality all it's own.

    9hz vs. 15hz. Clear winner: Paradigm!
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
  • domflane
    domflane Posts: 653
    edited November 2009
    how about an equally ridiculous JL?

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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    9hz vs. 15hz. Clear winner: Paradigm!

    At that low a level I would keep output vs extension. How many movie tracks have LFE information in the 9Hz range.

    I hear 0Hz is just to die for:p
  • bdtae5656
    bdtae5656 Posts: 235
    edited November 2009
    Most of those subs that are listed above are too rich for my blood....looking at spending up to $500.00 for a good solid sub. Ive been looking at Polks Micro 1000 and 3000. Is the 1000 to small for a room thats 24x36 and ceiling height is 10-12 feet
    TV:Sony Bravia XBR4 52'
    Mains: Lsi m 705
    C:Lsi m 706
    Rears: Lsi m 703
    Sub: Epik Empire
    Pre:Marantz AV 7005
    Amp:Sunfire TGA-7400
    Blueray: Opp 93
    A/V Component: Panamax M5100-PM
    Cables: Signal Cable, White Zombie, MIT, Pepster's power cables
  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    bdtae5656 wrote: »
    Most of those subs that are listed above are too rich for my blood....looking at spending up to $500.00 for a good solid sub. Ive been looking at Polks Micro 1000 and 3000. Is the 1000 to small for a room thats 24x36 and ceiling height is 10-12 feet

    I think in order to truly pressurize that room properly, you're going to have to double or tripe your budget.

    The 1000 is going to be too small.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
  • HHStuart
    HHStuart Posts: 263
    edited November 2009
    bdtae5656 wrote: »
    Most of those subs that are listed above are too rich for my blood....looking at spending up to $500.00 for a good solid sub. Ive been looking at Polks Micro 1000 and 3000. Is the 1000 to small for a room thats 24x36 and ceiling height is 10-12 feet

    If you could sqeeze it up to $600, the smallest EPIK is on sale the last I saw. Non ported but Epik is known for good subs at reasonable prices. I'm in a similar situation. The Epik should also be good for music.
    I doubt if any sub in that price range will pressurize that size room but you should be able to find some decent sounding ones. The only other route would be to make one, which some people have done.
    Front - Polk LSiM 705, Center - Polk LSiM 704c, Rear - Polk LSi 7
    Subwoofer - Epik Legend
    Receiver (as Preamp) - Sony STR-DA3400 ES
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  • bdtae5656
    bdtae5656 Posts: 235
    edited November 2009
    How bout the 3000? Is that too small
    TV:Sony Bravia XBR4 52'
    Mains: Lsi m 705
    C:Lsi m 706
    Rears: Lsi m 703
    Sub: Epik Empire
    Pre:Marantz AV 7005
    Amp:Sunfire TGA-7400
    Blueray: Opp 93
    A/V Component: Panamax M5100-PM
    Cables: Signal Cable, White Zombie, MIT, Pepster's power cables
  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    If you're looking at the Polk subs, then you're going to need the best that they offer. And probably two of them. :)
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    bdtae5656 wrote: »
    Most of those subs that are listed above are too rich for my blood....looking at spending up to $500.00 for a good solid sub. Ive been looking at Polks Micro 1000 and 3000. Is the 1000 to small for a room thats 24x36 and ceiling height is 10-12 feet

    I would consider the BIC H100 X 2 with your $500 budget. That or go DIY. You are most likely going to want a stereo sub setup.

    If you only have $500 to spend then you only have $500 to spend. For now that is going to be your best bet.
  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited November 2009
    9hz vs. 15hz. Clear winner: Paradigm!

    Can't the human ear only hear down to 20Hz? I guess the added freq will add to the "effect"?
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    HTPC
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,416
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Remember Stalin said it best: Quantity has a quality all it's own.

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  • quadzilla
    quadzilla Posts: 1,543
    edited November 2009
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  • rallyshark
    rallyshark Posts: 417
    edited November 2009
    I think with that budget, DIY would give you the most bang for the buck. That is assuming you choose components carefully. A good efficient 15" or two in a large ported enclosure and say a 500 watt plate amp could make some pretty good noise. I don't know about SQ, but it would be loud:D Your particular situation is going to be a bit of a compromise if you aren't able to raise the budget:( It's kind of like saying you need the performance and crazy power of a Shelby GT 500 for the price of a V6 mustang unfortunately...Sometimes you can get lucky with a find on ebay or CL though:)
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  • fossy
    fossy Posts: 1,378
    edited November 2009
    If I had 500 to spend on a sub, I'd go used.I would look on e-bay or audiogon to try & find something within driving distance to save on shipping cost, thereby letting you get a little more sub for the 500.

    Just an example here & I realize it's 50 + shipping over your budget
    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1262397693
  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited November 2009
    24 x 36 x 10(12)...man, where do you people come up with rooms the size of small apartments or some peoples single family homes? I'm always amazed by such rooms...

    Is that ONE room or is it a some kind of Great Room that is open to dining rooms and kitchen so that the whole is close to 900 sq. feet...or 9-10,000+ cubic feet!

    No one sub could handle that....some good suggestions above. I like Xcapri's best...you're going to have to do this ONE sub at a time and you won't notice big sound until at least the SECOND sub.....you may even need 3 or 4 in such a space if you're a big HT guy? Slowly...but steady...spend your first 500 on one GOOD sub then save for another of the same variety....we should all be so lucky...the largest room in my house is only 25 X 11.5 and that's only because I knocked down a wall!!!

    Good Luck.

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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,054
    edited November 2009
    Take a look at the Elemental Designs A3-300...300watts and 12" driver.
    Total cost shipped 550.00. All reviews I have read on eD subs have been positive. Also, you can get the A3-200 for 350.00 and possibly go with 2 of these over time.
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited November 2009
    Crutchfield has a deal for ya - Get a free Polk PSW111 subwoofer when you spend $499 or more on select Polk home speakers.

    There you go! 2 birds, 1 stone!
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  • KASR
    KASR Posts: 450
    edited November 2009
    For a room that size i would think you need something with a big driver! I have a Velodyne 10" and it pound's pretty good but i'm shure there is better, soemone with more experience/knowledge will chime in for shure....

    The 10" Velo is a great sub - it gets my vote as well!