tests and info on speaker wire

lbristow

this site has a lot of good info on speaker wire. [url]www.audioholics.com.:D[/url] just type in speaker wire test in the search and a lot of good info comes up.

F1nut

They think all amps, cables, etc. sound the same. Not a good site, IMNSHO.

mmadden28

Cpyder

Shhh... Don't talk about audioholics here. Wrong forum. Audioholics believe in blind testing. Seldom people here do.

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Here's a thread I started. It's gets ugly really fast. I suggest you just read the other thread than posting here, because a lot of people will hate you if you talk about Audioholics.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88509&highlight=audioholics

lbristow

Cpyder wrote: »

Shhh... Don't talk about audioholics here. Wrong forum. Audioholics believe in blind testing. Seldom people here do.

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flame wars

Here's a thread I started. It's gets ugly really fast. I suggest you just read the other thread than posting here, because a lot of people will hate you if you talk about Audioholics.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88509&highlight=audioholics

already did that earlier today, the post was deleted. It is good info, some just can't accept reality:)

thsmith

Link does not work and can find no info on MITs cables there.

Dang and I was looking for a good read.

I wonder what that other sites opinions are on tubes, any bets they think they all sound the same.

F1nut

lbristow wrote: »

already did that earlier today, the post was deleted. It is good info, some just can't accept reality:)

You want to talk reality? Ok, tell me what cables you have listened to.

lbristow

F1nut wrote: »

You want to talk reality? Ok, tell me what cables you have listened to.

as i stated in the post that was deleted earlier today, that is the purpose of this site, they test them and give you the info to decide. not sure why people get so worked up about this, other than maybe they find out the grand they laid down for cable might have been a waste. if this is what people want to do, then ok by me. i just look at the info and go from there. I have mine hooked up to 14awg philips wire, sounds great.

thsmith

I started with Monoprice 12g, sounded good, went to AQ T4 sounded better and finally went to MIT S3 shotguns and sounded the best so far.

Thats all the proof I need.

sTiLlLeArNiNg

Sometime's we want thing's to sound better because they cost more....

With that being said:

I beleive in better cable's just not one's that cost as much as a piece of equipment

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Unless you own these cable's http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablspkr&1261514601 your cable's suck and your system sound's like crap

Sorry i missed the epic thread earlier i would've loved to have participated

lbristow

Cpyder wrote: »

Shhh... Don't talk about audioholics here. Wrong forum. Audioholics believe in blind testing. Seldom people here do.

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Conflicting viewpoints

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flame wars

Here's a thread I started. It's gets ugly really fast. I suggest you just read the other thread than posting here, because a lot of people will hate you if you talk about Audioholics.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88509&highlight=audioholics

i see what you mean, may not be as bad as the one i had going earlier today. i don't know, sure some cables sound different than others. i hooked up a monster y instead of the philips i normally use and it sounded different. i switched back to the philips. what amazes me is that when you take a speaker apart and see the wiring that is in there, it is nothing special. not silver, kryptonite, or anything else, not to mention it terminates to a simple metal clip. once you get to a point what else can you do the site does do a lot of actual measuring, and since this is part of a electrical system i would think this means quite a bit, but sure, some may sound different than others. this does not mean better or worse, just different. then again, some think they can hear better than a canine. this is why i do not care for the term audiophile, to me it means nut job. but i guess if i was sucker enough to pay what some have for a simple cable then i would be a little touchy too;)

sTiLlLeArNiNg

C'mon guy's! We all know that "litzed" cat 5e is the wave of the future!

Fongolio

I steer clear of these discussions. Nothing good ever comes of it. However, I read the earlier thread and totally do not understand how the thread was deleted but the op of the thread NOT banned. Prolific abussive strong language aimed at specific individuals. It completely blows my mind that the individual was not banned for life. And yes lbristow I am talking about you. Please don't start that again.

F1nut

lbristow wrote: »

as i stated in the post that was deleted earlier today, that is the purpose of this site, they test them and give you the info to decide. not sure why people get so worked up about this, other than maybe they find out the grand they laid down for cable might have been a waste. if this is what people want to do, then ok by me. i just look at the info and go from there. I have mine hooked up to 14awg philips wire, sounds great.

As I thought, you have no personal experience and therefore, no voice in the matter nor any idea of what reality is.

lbristow

Fongolio wrote: »

I steer clear of these discussions. Nothing good ever comes of it. However, I read the earlier thread and totally do not understand how the thread was deleted but the op of the thread NOT banned. Prolific abussive strong language aimed at specific individuals. It completely blows my mind that the individual was not banned for life. And yes lbristow I am talking about you. Please don't start that again.

sorry, still here:D

ben62670

So Lance I thought you were cool, and now you are playing games...

kawizx9r

Can't provide scientific facts that speaker cables make the difference but if my wife and I both hear the difference then what's it matter to me? What should it matter to anyone else how I spend my $ anyway right?

lbristow if you're happy with your current speaker wire then keep using it, some of us like spending some dollar on what we believe will give us better performance. And as I stated on the other thread, can't wait to get my MIT terminators from a fellow Polkie on here.

lbristow

F1nut wrote: »

As I thought, you have no personal experience and therefore, no voice in the matter nor any idea of what reality is.

as i stated in the first post, this is just a site that runs tests that is of interest to me and maybe others that are not set in their ways. like i said, i could care less if someone spends $4500 for cables, maybe if they read up on it they may make a better decision;) I believe some cables are a little better then others, and the dog may appreciate what that small difference makes,but once you have reached this point that is it, everything else is just hype. do some sound a little different yes. does that make them better, depends if you like the way it sounds. anyone that thinks you have to spend the kind of money some of this crap costs to get good sound quality is just a fool. get into the same argument on another site about motor oil. it can only get so good, then the rest is just marketing and b.s. have guy's changing the oil every 1k, yes they are nuts, but they will argue all day about it. so, let them if they sleep better at night.:) but i guess you are god and i must agree with you.

lbristow

kawizx9r wrote: »

Can't provide scientific facts that speaker cables make the difference but if my wife and I both hear the difference then what's it matter to me? What should it matter to anyone else how I spend my $ anyway right?

lbristow if you're happy with your current speaker wire then keep using it, some of us like spending some dollar on what we believe will give us better performance. And as I stated on the other thread, can't wait to get my MIT terminators from a fellow Polkie on here.

do not recall saying that i cared at all. i don't. this was just a link for information . deal with it people;) i personally like to know what will give me better performance:D

lbristow

ben62670 wrote: »

So Lance I thought you were cool, and now you are playing games...

do not know how posting a link to a site is playing games. i just can't believe that some people get so worked up over this. if they do not like the results of some of the testing that was done then fine, i did not do it. just thought it may be of interest to some:D

BlueFox

lbristow wrote: »

...as i stated in the first post, this is just a site that runs tests that is of interest to me....

Do you know their opinion on vibration isolation gear, especially on solid state equipment? Lately, I have been reading that reducing and/or eliminating vibrations in electronic equipment improves the sound. For whatever reason, I am having a hard time believing music vibrations in equipment can degrade the sound.

lbristow

BlueFox wrote: »

Do you know their opinion on vibration isolation gear, especially on solid state equipment? Lately, I have been reading that reducing and/or eliminating vibrations in electronic equipment improves the sound. For whatever reason, I am having a hard time believing music vibrations in equipment can degrade the sound.

when you say "their opinion", are you talking about the other site, or members here on the forum no, i do not believe in it, maybe if you were having a 6.5 on the richter scale:eek: I have not searched for it so i am not sure if they have any info on that or not. they are in to everything else, so maybe if you search for it on the site it may come up with something. this is the purpose of a link like this, so people like you and i can see if this has been tested and what the outcome is. hard to believe that people get worked up about such a thing.

ben62670

You lacking attention in the real world?

lbristow

ben62670 wrote: »

You lacking attention in the real world?

what world would that be like i said, all i have done is post a link. if some can not handle that then i believe they need a little help. hell, we are talking about speaker wire here, not life or death. the post i had earlier was the same thing and i got ganged up on like a grade school kid on the wrong side of the tracks. only thing was that i do not put up with such nonsense, and some did not like it. well,they should not have started it then.

BlueFox

lbristow wrote: »

when you say "their opinion", are you talking about the other site, or members here on the forum no, i do not believe in it, maybe if you were having a 6.5 on the richter scale:eek:

I meant the other web-site, but you are right, the question also applies here. I can sort of understand how a speaker wire can improve the end sound since it has electrical characteristics that influence the load on the amp. And, I can understand how tube vibrations can affect the sound, but solid state vibrations are harder to understand and accept.

Yet, solid state vibration isolation seems to work. At least it does for me. Also, originally my stereo used hardware store stranded copper 12 gauge speaker wire, and it sounded great. However, later I spent $400 dollars, upgraded to a pair of 8’ wires, and was amazed at the improvement.

lbristow

BlueFox wrote: »

I meant the other web-site, but you are right, the question also applies here. I can sort of understand how a speaker wire can improve the end sound since it has electrical characteristics that influence the load on the amp. And, I can understand how tube vibrations can affect the sound, but solid state vibrations are harder to understand and accept.

Yet, solid state vibration isolation seems to work. At least it does for me. Also, originally my stereo used hardware store stranded copper 12 gauge speaker wire, and it sounded great. However, later I spent $400 dollars, upgraded to a pair of 8’ wires, and was amazed at the improvement.

i agree, i am sure some wires do sound better than others, but to what end it has to end somewhere. i just do not believe that you have to spend a insane amount of money to see the improvement. i agree with the gauge, seems you can't go wrong with lower gauge. I would just like to get some of these guy's in a blind listening test and get the real results, then laugh. if they get this upset over a link i could just imagine how that would be:eek: i am in the medical industry, you would be amazed how people think something is better, but it is not. generic over name brand drugs for example. they will argue all day about name brand being better. it is the same thing of course. have had some that think they are in pain, get a order for a placebo instead of morphine and they feel great. all in the mind.

ben62670

Gage is way over rated. One of my favorite cheap cables is AQ type 4. It is very low gage as in thin. It is more about purity, construction, and the dielectric absorption of the insulation than just using a big fat cable.

lbristow

ben62670 wrote: »

Gage is way over rated. One of my favorite cheap cables is AQ type 4. It is very low gage as in thin. It is more about purity, construction, and the dielectric absorption of the insulation than just using a big fat cable.

yep, not all about gauge, but seems to be a requirement for longer runs. that is why i have posted this link, it discusses this type of thing. I did buy a monster y cable that has very thin gauge wire and i did not like the way it sounded. went back to the philips and sounds better to me.:) if i remember the link had a fairly interesting article on audioquest wires too.

F1nut

lbristow wrote: »

sorry, still here

Not anymore...

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Life is good!

mmadden28

lbristow

mmadden28 wrote: »

this would be the type of thing i am talking about. pretty good back in 6th grade. I guess some people are so biased that they just act like this for no reason. pretty picture though:D