Rant -Political discussions

bklynNupe
bklynNupe Posts: 728
edited October 2009 in The Clubhouse
I have to say that I’m a little disappointed with some of the simplistic commentary on things NOT A/V on our forum. Especially in regards to Politics.
Are political discussions against the rules of Club Polk?

I actually prefer these discussions/debates more fitting forums such as news sites.
If you agree/disagree or even if the site has a political leaning, you can duke it out on the facts and others can challenge you on your assertions. At times you can convince others to adopt your argument or you may adopt theirs without anyone “loosing.”
I prefer this type of a forum rather than pointless Tourette’s laced shouting matches about what someone “feels.” If a person doesn’t include at least some empirical facts, perhaps the “feeling” is based on a fight with the wife earlier that morning? Perhaps someone didn’t take their meds? I really think it’s important to understand people you disagree with.

Put it another way, if Bose announced some great breakthrough in HT and it was reported by abcnews.com, I wouldn’t base my decision on whether to buy on findings/ commentary from the ABC News site. That would not the proper forum.
I would however sign on to Polk Audio and a few other respected sites for providing some of the most trusted unbiased information regarding audio. I trust the experts here, because they lay all of their (audio) cards on the table. I have been privileged to read the decades of well researched and detailed observations of many of the experts on this forum. I have benefitted immensely from this information.
You guys are rightfully annoyed when someone talks about an A/V product solely regurgitating the company’s Marketing Plan. I’ve found aficionados here provide careful observations based on facts. Very rarely on this forum do I see a response like “ those cables just suck.” … well that may be the title of your tread, but it will surely be followed by some facts and observations. If not, someone on this site will surely challenge you on your assertion.

I just think that political matters that concern us all, are ill served by emotional sound bites with little additional information?
I’m just wondering if anyone else finds these threads frustrating?

I think if we are going to veer of the topic of A/V ( if allowed on CP) you should give careful thought to your commentary and be prepared to back it up with some documented facts. When I was a kid growing up on the mean streets in The Bronx, rants were something you might do before you punch someone in the face, not an intelligent conversation.
I have little interest in how someone “feels” about complex issues unless they are willing to put in more than three sentences of work, and hopefully give their possible solution. :)

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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited October 2009
    Are you a Yankee fan?
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited October 2009
    If you don't like the topic, don't click on it.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,464
    edited October 2009
    Stfu
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • 4406bbl
    4406bbl Posts: 194
    edited October 2009
    I have no problem with it in the clubhouse, as long as it does not get out of hand or personal. If you have little interest in how someone feels stay out of the clubhouse, I like to hear what others on the board think about important issues, even political ones. These threads are not frustrating to me, they just show me these folks still care about the country.
  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,997
    edited October 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Stfu


    Tell him how you really feel !;)
  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited October 2009
    Face wrote: »
    If you don't like the topic, don't click on it.

    DING!


    Now everyone go read my post about Solami Pirates!
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  • POIDOG
    POIDOG Posts: 391
    edited October 2009
    bklynNupe wrote: »
    I have little interest in how someone “feels” about complex issues unless they are willing to put in more than three sentences of work, and hopefully give their possible solution. :)

    I demand a DBT :D
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited October 2009
    My children have not cried like this guy in years. Gotta be a Yankee fan.
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited October 2009
    POIDOG wrote: »
    I demand a DBT :D

    Whats a DBT? I may have one for you :D
  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited October 2009
    You want the real answer? We're human beings, not robots. Trying to program people to not talk about things that are real and affect us all, whatever ideological persuasion you happen to be of, is not going to work 100% of the time.

    Get over it and stop clicking stuff that's gonna set you off unless you want to be set off. I do sometimes. :D
  • POIDOG
    POIDOG Posts: 391
    edited October 2009
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    Whats a DBT? I may have one for you :D

    I may need it :confused:
  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,154
    edited October 2009
    Demiurge wrote: »
    ... Get over it and stop clicking stuff that's gonna set you off unless you want to be set off. I do sometimes. :D
    Now that's funny, thanks for the laugh (oh ... and as if I hadn't noticed, BTW)!
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited October 2009
    Jstas wrote: »
    DING!


    Now everyone go read my post about Solami Pirates!

    Whoa... I don't wanna know anything about that.
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  • bklynNupe
    bklynNupe Posts: 728
    edited October 2009
    Demiurge wrote: »
    You want the real answer? We're human beings, not robots. Trying to program people to not talk about things that are real and affect us all, whatever ideological persuasion you happen to be of, is not going to work 100% of the time.

    Get over it and stop clicking stuff that's gonna set you off unless you want to be set off. I do sometimes. :D

    Your right Demiurge, on this I have to agree. Maybe I shouldn’t get worked over this.
    And I have no problem with anyone who has responded and disagreed. I respect that. I will try my best to only talk A/V on this forum, and leave other convos. here alone.
    But to punks that trash talk and make it personal, it’s most effective when you do it face to face rather than selling wolf-tickets over the internet. If I wanted to get personal, I would only do so face to face.

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited October 2009
    OMG... give me a break.

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  • everpress
    everpress Posts: 862
    edited October 2009
    bklynNupe wrote: »
    I have to say that I’m a little disappointed with some of the simplistic commentary on things NOT A/V on our forum. Especially in regards to Politics.
    Are political discussions against the rules of Club Polk?

    I actually prefer these discussions/debates more fitting forums such as news sites.
    If you agree/disagree or even if the site has a political leaning, you can duke it out on the facts and others can challenge you on your assertions. At times you can convince others to adopt your argument or you may adopt theirs without anyone “loosing.”
    I prefer this type of a forum rather than pointless Tourette’s laced shouting matches about what someone “feels.” If a person doesn’t include at least some empirical facts, perhaps the “feeling” is based on a fight with the wife earlier that morning? Perhaps someone didn’t take their meds? I really think it’s important to understand people you disagree with.

    Put it another way, if Bose announced some great breakthrough in HT and it was reported by abcnews.com, I wouldn’t base my decision on whether to buy on findings/ commentary from the ABC News site. That would not the proper forum.
    I would however sign on to Polk Audio and a few other respected sites for providing some of the most trusted unbiased information regarding audio. I trust the experts here, because they lay all of their (audio) cards on the table. I have been privileged to read the decades of well researched and detailed observations of many of the experts on this forum. I have benefitted immensely from this information.
    You guys are rightfully annoyed when someone talks about an A/V product solely regurgitating the company’s Marketing Plan. I’ve found aficionados here provide careful observations based on facts. Very rarely on this forum do I see a response like “ those cables just suck.” … well that may be the title of your tread, but it will surely be followed by some facts and observations. If not, someone on this site will surely challenge you on your assertion.

    I just think that political matters that concern us all, are ill served by emotional sound bites with little additional information?
    I’m just wondering if anyone else finds these threads frustrating?

    I think if we are going to veer of the topic of A/V ( if allowed on CP) you should give careful thought to your commentary and be prepared to back it up with some documented facts. When I was a kid growing up on the mean streets in The Bronx, rants were something you might do before you punch someone in the face, not an intelligent conversation.
    I have little interest in how someone “feels” about complex issues unless they are willing to put in more than three sentences of work, and hopefully give their possible solution. :)

    First, pretty sure the Clubhouse is a place you can talk about things that ARE NOT A/V related. It's the chit-chat place. You ant A/V all the time, stay out of the Clubhouse.

    Second:
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited October 2009
    everpress wrote: »

    OMG! That brought me to tears trying to stifle a laugh while on a conference call!
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited October 2009
    bklynNupe wrote: »
    I have to say that I’m a little disappointed with some of the simplistic commentary on things NOT A/V on our forum.

    And who are you again????
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  • bklynNupe
    bklynNupe Posts: 728
    edited October 2009
    Point taken everpress.
    Thanks a funny **** photo!
    Trying not to laugh and make it obvious that I'm not working too hard on a Friday! :D

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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited October 2009
    bklynNupe wrote: »
    Point taken everpress.
    Thanks a funny **** photo!
    Trying not to laugh and make it obvious that I'm not working too hard on a Friday! :D

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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited October 2009
    That's a cool effin picture...

    What were we whinin about now???
  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    This thread is now about bacon:

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    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited October 2009
    bacon!!!


    VVVVVVVVV
  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited October 2009
  • everpress
    everpress Posts: 862
    edited October 2009
    Candy of the meat world...

    ? Harmon Kardon AVR 55 (dead; replacing with Onkyo TX NR-616)
    ? Polk RTA 11TL's (FR and FL)
    ? Polk TSi200's (RR and RL)
    ? Polk CS10 (Center)
    ? Polk PSW-350
    ? Grado SR-60i Headphones
    ? Fii0 E5 headphone amp
    ? iPod touch (8 gig)
    ? iPod Classic (80 gig)
    ? Mac Mini (as media server)
    ? xbox 360

  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited October 2009
    Canadian bacon ^^^
  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited October 2009
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    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited October 2009
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited October 2009
    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I love this place


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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited October 2009
    Apple Bacon Pie:

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