Maybe time has come for a waiting period

NotaSuv

To stop this crap....usually a 2 day waiting period stops this crap in its track...extreme maybe, but not as extreme as whats happeneing, also a quicker reponse by mods as this crap should have been stopped by now, most boards I post on these types of posts are gone along with the poster within 15-30 minutes if that long.......................

dkg999

A waiting period and the use of a credit card verification process to authenticate the person's identity. There could be some acceptable alternative proof-of-identity for those without a credit card.

shack

SOMETHING needs to change. This sort of stuff has been increasing over the last year or so.

Pauly

Always miss the good stuff.



So what did i miss?


Pauly

Reggin

Pauly wrote: »

Always miss the good stuff.



So what did i miss?


Pauly

Everything you missed is summed up here: http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1133482&postcount=2

thsmith

Spendthrift wrote: »

Summed up and succinct. Bunch of crybabies on this forum, that are too dumb to read a post and understand context.

MOD, when are you going to shut these people down?

mmadden28

I agree that something needs to be done. A free for all sign up yields what happened last night/this morning. At a minimum a manual 'approval' for all new account requests. There is no urgent need for immediate access to CP.

There must be some way to track the IPs used, and the email addys used to sign-up and report them to thier ISP.

What else needs to be done, is everybody needs to STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!

Pauly

Yeah it didnt take long to see the lonley lowlives spamming CP.

What a life.


Pudwackers

exalted512

mmadden28 wrote: »

What else needs to be done, is everybody needs to STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!

That can't be done. I've heard that phrase on here ever since spidey...people cant stop, so i dont even waste my breath anymore.

A manual approval would be nice, but seems like Patrick is way to busy to do that.

What NEEDS to be done is to give some members the ability to ban and delete threads.
-Cody

PS. It would also help if parents start minding their 12 year olds computer usage.

NotaSuv

Pauly wrote: »

Always miss the good stuff.



So what did i miss?


Pauly

You "missed nothing" and it was as far from good as one can get

Pauly

NotaSuv wrote: »

You "missed nothing" and it was as far from good as one can get

Yeah after reading a few threads i failed to see missing anything good. Should have read before i posted that.


Pauly

snow

The issue of spamming has been brought up before, I personally think there is only a few actually viable options to somewhat control an outbreak like this.

1. Make a two post limit for new members for 24 hrs

2. Allow select senior members to have some moderation priveleges, even if Polk admin dont feel comfortable having these members delete messages or ban people allow them to move rported posts and offensive matieral to a special hidden area where admin can view and make decisions regarding these posts. A lot of us are here every day 7 days a week perusing our favorite forums utilize us,in fact some of us are currently mods and or admin on other forums. Having to wait 6 hrs or more for a response is simply too long.



REGARDS SNOW

snow

Keiko wrote: »

Never seen the like of anything like this before anywhere. Hope it doesn't happen again. I agree, some safeguards need to be put in place after this one. It's getting way more out of control. Patrick has better things to do I'm sure than mopping up that kinda crap on a Monday morning.

No doubt and I for one say Thanks Patrick glad your here.



REGARDS SNOW

wutadumsn23

Thanks Patrick, that was ugly.

-Jeff

Gaara

snow wrote: »

The issue of spamming has been brought up before, I personally think there is only a few actually viable options to somewhat control an outbreak like this.

1. Make a two post limit for new members for 24 hrs

REGARDS SNOW

I concur with snow, a limit for new members would be good...but it can cause issues. I had a issue with this on HD Digest's forum, posted a F/S thread and had my posts deleted for "bumping", when all I was doing is responding. They have a 1 post per 24hr limit on F/S threads, anything over that and its a auto-warning and your posts are deleted.

Another option would be to auto-ban people for using specific words. Say if someone comes on and uses a profanity 3 times in a row, auto-ban for 7 days. Wouldn't require work on Patrick's park and would weed out a lot of the crap we saw this morning.

P.S. Thanks again Patrick, nice work.

snow

Gaara wrote: »

I concur with snow, a limit for new members would be good...but it can cause issues. I had a issue with this on HD Digest's forum, posted a F/S thread and had my posts deleted for "bumping", when all I was doing is responding. They have a 1 post per 24hr limit on F/S threads, anything over that and its a auto-warning and your posts are deleted.

Another option would be to auto-ban people for using specific words. Say if someone comes on and uses a profanity 3 times in a row, auto-ban for 7 days. Wouldn't require work on Patrick's park and would weed out a lot of the crap we saw this morning.

P.S. Thanks again Patrick, nice work.

The two posts for new members in 24 hrs would only be for the first 24 hrs to prevent multiple spam posts like the cell phone **** and pill pushers that we see every so often.

The only method that I know of that would actually work and not require any software or format changes etc to the forum is to go with allowing senior members some mod privleges. As a mod on other forums when someone reports a post I get an email and go to the forum and either delete the selected post or move it to another area such as trash which is hidden from members.



REGARDS SNOW

everpress

Gaara wrote: »

I concur with snow, a limit for new members would be good...but it can cause issues. I had a issue with this on HD Digest's forum, posted a F/S thread and had my posts deleted for "bumping", when all I was doing is responding. They have a 1 post per 24hr limit on F/S threads, anything over that and its a auto-warning and your posts are deleted.

Another option would be to auto-ban people for using specific words. Say if someone comes on and uses a profanity 3 times in a row, auto-ban for 7 days. Wouldn't require work on Patrick's park and would weed out a lot of the crap we saw this morning.

P.S. Thanks again Patrick, nice work.

I think a time and place for profanity exists... Not racism, mind you. And if you look at my post, I generally censor myself. But to auto-ban for 3 times use of the f-bomb seems harsh.

However, the ****$hats that "raided" the boards really put a damper on one of the main reasons I enjoy the Polk forums. Almost everyone is helpful and the amount of generosity is amazing.

mmadden28

In this case, the 2 post limit (etc) wouldn't have dented the issue that much, the guy(s) created a dozen or more accounts and used them all. They would juet create 30 accounts and post 2 times each account. they will find a way around it.

Limiting posts from multiple accounts from the same IP might be something to look into--not saying an IP anonymizer couldn't be used but....

Since new accounts are open right now anyway, having an Admin or a select few Senior members manually approve accounts seems to me the easiest method to start with-that's not putting too much power into the hands of non admins--if the power is not restricted to begin with right?.

Do new accounts have to validate their email addresses?

messiah

I agree with Snow, and not just for this particular scenario. It would also help with people joining our forum for the sole purpose of peddling their goods. 2 posts a day max for the first 30 days would work I think.

Christopher.

LessisNevermore

snow wrote: »

The two posts for new members in 24 hrs would only be for the first 24 hrs to prevent multiple spam posts like the cell phone **** and pill pushers that we see every so often.

The only method that I know of that would actually work and not require any software or format changes etc to the forum is to go with allowing senior members some mod privleges. As a mod on other forums when someone reports a post I get an email and go to the forum and either delete the selected post or move it to another area such as trash which is hidden from members.



REGARDS SNOW

I mod for another site that uses the same software CP uses. The email alerts are one tool, another is the ability to completely customize mod privileges fairly easily. On my other site, there is a moderator section, that threads can be moved to, out of public view, for further moderation. They can be edited, then put back in play.

I do think that Patrick could use a few more helping hands. Not that I feel he's not doing a good job, but one active moderator for a site with almost 2000 active members? That's too much too ask of one person, IMO.

mmadden28

messiah wrote: »

I agree with Snow, and not just for this particular scenario. It would also help with people joining our forum for the sole purpose of peddling their goods. 2 posts a day max for the first 30 days would work I think.

Christopher.

That simply won't work... A lot of new members come to the site to ask questions--what can they possibly accomplish with just 2 posts a day??

Most drive by's I've seen lately with people trying to peddle their goods seems to squeeze all the info they need into a single post--so who would be getting restricted by that rule? not the peddlers.

New members complain enough about having to have 10 posts before they can PM. Or 25 before they can sell. This rule would not fly.

snow

mmadden28 wrote: »

In this case, the 2 post limit (etc) wouldn't have dented the issue that much, the guy(s) created a dozen or more accounts and used them all. They would juet create 30 accounts and post 2 times each account. they will find a way around it.

Agreed. It would only work for the majority of cellphone, ****, pills type of spammers who create a single account and post several times with it in a 24hr period, not a dedicated person/s bent on destruction. I understand a new member asking questions about a problem would be put off by being able to only post two times in a single 24 hr period but if it was only for the FIRST 24 hrs then it wouldndt be too bad. But that still doesnt address someone making mutiple new accounts and using them, thats where a real live person needs to come into play.

LessisNevermore wrote: »

I mod for another site that uses the same software CP uses. The email alerts are one tool, another is the ability to completely customize mod privileges fairly easily. On my other site, there is a moderator section, that threads can be moved to, out of public view, for further moderation. They can be edited, then put back in play.

I do think that Patrick could use a few more helping hands. Not that I feel he's not doing a good job, but one active moderator for a site with almost 2000 active members? That's too much too ask of one person, IMO.

I agree completely. Two of the forums that I moderate at also use the identical software, the admin can customize mod priveleges in basically any fashion they want to allow as much or as little access/control as they want for moderators and global moderators. For instance standard moderators cannot see the global mods area it is hidden from them and global mods cannot see the admins area it is hidden from them.

I can as a moderator move a single post or an entire thread to a hidden area to be discussed and changed or as a global moderator alter the post to remove offensive language and then return it back or simply remove the entire single post or thread.

If for example someone posts a thread in the clubhouse about car audio I could move that thread to the appropiate area and have the options of leaving a shell with an auto redirect to the new location or send a PM to the OP that his/her post or thread has been moved or both.

There is no subsitution for a real live person moderating, all the software in the world to auto ban multi accounts from the same ISP's or keywords etc is not as effective as a moderator, because sometimes even among long time members threads will get heated and out of control, or a new member making a single post trying to sell his or her goods with an email address or PH# could be moved or altered, a moderator locking a thread or moving or deleting a post or thread is the fastest most effective way of controling such events.



REGARDS SNOW

bsoko2

There should be a way for any member to flag a post and that will tell others to avoid opening it. If we don't open it to post to it, then there is no satisfcation for the poster and the moderator will then see that the post is offensive or spam for deletion. Flag would have to show on the post like the FS flag.

Bill

Kex

mmadden28 wrote: »

... What else needs to be done, is everybody needs to STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!

bsoko2 wrote: »

There should be a way for any member to flag a post and that will tell others to avoid opening it. If we don't open it to post to it, then there is no satisfcation for the poster ...

A little bit of self restraint would go a long long way to calming things down, but, somewhat surprisingly IMO, that seems to be completely beyond the abilities of many respected members here. They are certainly smart enough to see why this would help, but one can only suppose their ego must be getting in the way or something ...

The flagging idea sounds interesting, but probably wouldn't work either, since that too would still require restraint from posting a response to the offending post. In fact, it might even make some members want to open the post even more, to see what juicy bit of scandal got it flagged in the first place.

The idea of having senior members as moderators is brought up again and again. It should be patently obvious by now that Polk Audio do not want to implement this, so the subject should be dropped IMO, since this is their forum and they probably have very viable reasons for rejecting this suggestion.

I'm beginning to wonder if some members don't just like to keep the flame wars going, since it relieves boredom or something. Trolls liven things up, it seems, and their threads have more members viewing them at any one time than any other. Everyone flocks to the thread like bees to honey, and then complain about the need for new rules and extended moderation.

Knucklehead

Human nature to react like that I guess.

inspiredsports

I agree with Kex above . . .

While what happened is a shame, the fortunate part is that most (not all) of the trouble happens in "The Clubhouse".

The Clubhouse by nature is mostly "off topic" from the helpful Polk and electronics specific nature of Club Polk as a whole.

I can't properly describe in words how important Club Polk has been to me in terms of improving my entire audio experience. I sure don't want anything to happen that puts a damper on the ability to get fast, intelligent information from members with more knowledge than I, or share it with those seeking.

I think we all need to step back and remember how good this group has been to each of us, and then let's keep it that way!

Because The Clubhouse by nature is off-topic and we are blowing off steam there, I think we can do a better job of self-policing by setting a more professional tone and refraining from posting comments meant to slam others.

It also appears most of the trouble comes from those with fewer than 100 posts.

We can do that in the other forums too and keep Club Polk a first rate place to improve each members Polk audio/video experiences.

Let's all be here for the right reasons, and then REMEMBER why we are here!