4 year degree in stupid

apphd

Welcome to the REAL world. There is always a chance her complaint and law suit has some merit, but from this side it looks like a frivolous waste of court time/costs (our taxes). Sorry but this kind of stuff burns me up.

Again sorry............but I wonder if she is blond.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/03/new.york.jobless.graduate/index.html

"A recent college graduate is suing her alma mater for $72,000 -- the full cost of her tuition and then some -- because she cannot find a job."

concealer404

Oh man... the direct quote from her:

"They're supposed to say, 'I got this student, her attendance is good, her GPA is all right -- can you interview this person?' They're not doing that."


HEY YO SO I GOT THIS HERE STUDENT YOU WANNA TALK TO 'EM AND ****?

Wow.

Just from all the quotes in there, she's a grade A nutcase. I hope the school counter-sues for defamation and shows her what life REALLY is.

FittyFieFo

She's an idiot. Real world gets tougher every single year. It gets more competitive and more college graduates come out. Especially in this economy, businesses need experience, then qualifications.

A bachelor's degree used to be a guarantee for a job, but now things have changed. A bachelor degree is simply a requirement. A Master's Degree will help your chances for the application process, but it doesn't necessary guarantee you a job.

That girl has no case, 3 months isn't even long enough to be complaining. The girl should take an unpaid internship to get her foot in the door.

bobman1235

I wish my college education only cost me 72 grand.

TNRabbit

Stupid f@cktard will probably WIN....

ahorvitz

TNRabbit wrote: »

Stupid f@cktard will probably WIN....

Win a settlement? Not likely. But she has created enough buzz to inspire someone to hire her out of sympathy. She doesn't command a high salary and the hiring company will get some free PR.

I doubt this was her objective, but the end result may be a win for her.

concealer404

FittyFieFo wrote: »

She's an idiot. Real world gets tougher every single year. It gets more competitive and more college graduates come out. Especially in this economy, businesses need experience, then qualifications.

A bachelor's degree used to be a guarantee for a job, but now things have changed. A bachelor degree is simply a requirement. A Master's Degree will help your chances for the application process, but it doesn't necessary guarantee you a job.

That girl has no case, 3 months isn't even long enough to be complaining. The girl should take an unpaid internship to get her foot in the door.

On the other hand, depending on location of course, if you're spending three months to find a job, ANY JOB (which you should take if you have student loans, McD's is better than nothing), then you aren't looking hard enough.

I could quit my job here, and be in the door working somewhere else within a week in Indy. And, i have no college degree.

She's just lazy, and stupid. Now, there MAY be other circumstances where the lazy doesn't apply, so please DO NOT think that i'm calling everything who's having problems finding a job lazy. Definitely not the case.

FittyFieFo

concealer404 wrote: »

On the other hand, depending on location of course, if you're spending three months to find a job, ANY JOB (which you should take if you have student loans, McD's is better than nothing), then you aren't looking hard enough.

I could quit my job here, and be in the door working somewhere else within a week in Indy. And, i have no college degree.

She's just lazy, and stupid. Now, there MAY be other circumstances where the lazy doesn't apply, so please DO NOT think that i'm calling everything who's having problems finding a job lazy. Definitely not the case.

Well as I do agree, experience is probably the number one thing companies are looking for. So if you don't have a college degree, but you have tons of experience in the field, then you might make it.

As for the laziness, you might be right that she isn't trying hard enough. Applying online for jobs is what everyone does now. I'm sure each employer gets thousands of resumes, but only 4 of them are set aside for interviews.

I say, calling the place or actually dropping your resume in person is a better approach.

devani

GPA 2.7 and age of 27, but I think it's her attitude....she's from Bronx....

sucks2beme

IS departments have all the damn useless "business administrators"
they need already, and then some. Let's outsource more stuff to 3rd world
countries, and make sure the only real techs on the payroll only image drives
back to the standard corporate image.
After all, what's a couple days of no working pc and lost productivity VS.
saving a few bucks up front?
Who dreams up these courses of study, anyway?

lightman1

Heard about this yesterday and almost passed out laughing.
Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!
It would suck if she actually had to work for a living.
I'm with Rabbit...F-Tard!

concealer404

FittyFieFo wrote: »

Well as I do agree, experience is probably the number one thing companies are looking for. So if you don't have a college degree, but you have tons of experience in the field, then you might make it.

As for the laziness, you might be right that she isn't trying hard enough. Applying online for jobs is what everyone does now. I'm sure each employer gets thousands of resumes, but only 4 of them are set aside for interviews.

I say, calling the place or actually dropping your resume in person is a better approach.

My point was more that i could get something in another field quite easily. But i know i didn't lay that out real plainly in my post, sorry 'bout that.

It all depends on area and how hard you try. Even though i have a secure job, i still make it a point to apply for at least 5 jobs a month just to keep my options open.

My careerbuilder account matches 20-30 open jobs a WEEK to my profile, even with the market being as crappy as it is.

I don't have more than 2 years experience in any field, other than generic customer service.

Face

That's what happens when you have a lousy 2.7.

What a loser.

concealer404

I haven't even heard of Monroe college before now either, and i'm FROM NY. Might be a bad sign.

bobman1235

concealer404 wrote: »

On the other hand, depending on location of course, if you're spending three months to find a job, ANY JOB (which you should take if you have student loans, McD's is better than nothing), then you aren't looking hard enough.

DING! People think just because they have a college degree they're entitled to some amazing job. You take what you can get until you can get what you want. The Rolling Stones weren't just talking out their asses on that one.

shack

One of my kid's graduated the top of her class with a 3.87 GPA and still hasn't found a job in her field in a little over a year. I guess it is the University's fault that nobody is hiring architects (in fact almost every firm she contacted indicated they were laying people off). The University should have known the entire real estate market was going to collapse. We should sue....:rolleyes:

What an idiot...I think this whole matter may give a good insight into her "entitlement" attitude. I would imagine potential employers may be picking up on that.

Marty913

Face wrote: »

That's what happens when you have a lousy 2.7.

What a loser.

And this is in the age of rampant grade inflation. 30 years ago that 2.7 probably would have been a D+ at best.

concealer404

bobman1235 wrote: »

DING! People think just because they have a college degree they're entitled to some amazing job. You take what you can get until you can get what you want. The Rolling Stones weren't just talking out their asses on that one.

Yup.

I'm 23. I see my tax dollars supporting this girl fairly shortly.

Start bottom, work your way up. Any job is a step up from where she is.

Get a job at McD's. Continue to spam the entire internet with job applications. Go to interviews. Get new job, even if it's only retail sales. Continue to spam internet with applications. Go to interviews. Get new entry level job as a clerk at a law firm (or whatever your degree relates to.). Spam the firm with applications for higher level jobs. Got to interviews. Get job. Continue moving up within the company.

It's really just that simple. Unfortunately, and i see it first hand amongst my friends, they all come out of college, and think they're going to land some high level job utilizing every aspect of their degree, simple because they have that degree. Nope, sorry. They're going to hire the guy that's been working in the industry for 20 years that may not even have a degree. You get to start at the bottom. Deal with it.

Even though i'm fairly comfy in my current job, and it's even more secure than ever, i've still had over 20 interviews this year. Both within the company and elsewhere. You don't stop.

shack

concealer404 wrote:

On the other hand, depending on location of course, if you're spending three months to find a job, ANY JOB (which you should take if you have student loans, McD's is better than nothing), then you aren't looking hard enough.

Absolutely not true!

bobman1235 wrote:

DING! People think just because they have a college degree they're entitled to some amazing job. You take what you can get until you can get what you want. The Rolling Stones weren't just talking out their asses on that one.

This is a whole different economy than ever before. Recent college graduates are having difficulty even getting minimum wage jobs. The problem is they are competing against seasoned employees and for every job opening there are literally hundreds of applications. After researching firms and sending out at least 100 resumes, making call after call, sending out hundreds of emails, following every lead she could find, my daughter then applied for jobs as a receptionist , waitress, bank teller jobs, day care worker, etc. She has been turned down because:

- She is overqualified
- They know she will leave as soon as she finds a job in her field
- They will be glad to allow her to intern with ZERO pay to get experience.
- They want to give the job to someone with a family and needs it more.
- They had 800 applicants for one position. Sorry, they hired someone else.
- etc

She has taken a low paying job and is living at home. She is going out in her off time trying to do part time "contract" jobs in her field. Not a single person in her graduating class of interior architects has found a job in their field and most (like her) had a very difficult time finding any job at all. Also, once you take on another job, it is very difficult to stay on top of your craft in order to be ready when THE job comes along. Plus there is a new graduating class coming into the the already oversaturated job market.

As I said...this not normal times. There are lots of hard working, motivated people that can't find a job...any job.

shack

concealer404 wrote:

Yup.

I'm 23. I see my tax dollars supporting this girl fairly shortly.

Start bottom, work your way up. Any job is a step up from where she is.

Get a job at McD's. Continue to spam the entire internet with job applications. Go to interviews. Get new job, even if it's only retail sales. Continue to spam internet with applications. Go to interviews. Get new entry level job as a clerk at a law firm (or whatever your degree relates to.). Spam the firm with applications for higher level jobs. Got to interviews. Get job. Continue moving up within the company.

It's really just that simple. Unfortunately, and i see it first hand amongst my friends, they all come out of college, and think they're going to land some high level job utilizing every aspect of their degree, simple because they have that degree. Nope, sorry. They're going to hire the guy that's been working in the industry for 20 years that may not even have a degree. You get to start at the bottom. Deal with it.

Even though i'm fairly comfy in my current job, and it's even more secure than ever, i've still had over 20 interviews this year. Both within the company and elsewhere. You don't stop.

As I just pointed out...It is NOT just that simple.

wizzy

Have to agree, this is totally stupid.

I will say that there are, however, a number of "colleges" who are more concerned about your tuition than actually providing a functional useful education.

FittyFieFo

shack wrote: »

my daughter then applied for jobs as a receptionist , waitress, bank teller jobs, day care worker, etc. She has been turned down because:

- She is overqualified
- They know she will leave as soon as she finds a job in her field
- They will be glad to allow her to intern with ZERO pay to get experience.
- They want to give the job to someone with a family and needs it more.
- They had 800 applicants for one position. Sorry, they hired someone else.
- etc

My friend's dad got laid off and he had a really good job. He was willing to take anything to support his family, he applied to Wal-mart even and Wal-mart didn't take him because he was overqualified.

So I can vouch for what you said.

wizzy

shack wrote: »

After researching firms and sending out at least 100 resumes, making call after call, sending out hundreds of emails, following every lead she could find, my daughter then applied for jobs as a receptionist , waitress, bank teller jobs, day care worker, etc.

....

- They will be glad to allow her to intern with ZERO pay to get experience.

....

She is lucky she has you to help her. I would suggest if she gets the above offer from a strong, reputable company she snap that one up and you support her.

That's the one that will be the most productive. If she can impress, a good job will come in under a couple years time. Experience pays. Just because the pay is zero, doesn't mean there is no reward. Experience, resume material, and contacts.

W

concealer404

shack wrote: »

As I just pointed out...It is NOT just that simple.

What you also should have bolded while you were at it was the part where i said "depending on location."

It IS that simple in Indianapolis. Our job market is just fine. Where you are, your mileage may vary.

I made it a point to even say in my post that i wasn't going to make a blanket statement and say that everyone who is unemployed right now is lazy, because i know that's not the case.

Me wrote:

She's just lazy, and stupid. Now, there MAY be other circumstances where the lazy doesn't apply, so please DO NOT think that i'm calling everything who's having problems finding a job lazy. Definitely not the case.

I KNOW she's lazy and stupid, because she's taking what she views to be the easy way out, filing her case for free because she's poor, and hoping to get enough publicity to either 1) get a job, or 2) actually get her money back, which she will spend living in squandor for 2-3 years before she's right back where she started.

Gross generalization, i know..... but i didn't feel that her situation needed much explanation. I think one thing we can all agree on is that she's an idiot.

wizzy

FittyFieFo wrote: »

My friend's dad got laid off and he had a really good job. He was willing to take anything to support his family, he applied to Wal-mart even and Wal-mart didn't take him because he was overqualified.

Yup.

Why would you want to hire someone you know is going to be out the door the second they get a job that fits there qualifications?

Sure they want someone with a capacity that is above the norm, but if you know they will bolt the second something comes along - who can blame the company when they have a stack of resumes from people who might just stick around.

apphd

shack wrote: »

Absolutely not true!

This is a whole different economy than ever before. Recent college graduates are having difficulty even getting minimum wage jobs. The problem is they are competing against seasoned employees and for every job opening there are literally hundreds of applications. She has been turned down because:......edit.....

- She is overqualified
- They know she will leave as soon as she finds a job in her field
- They will be glad to allow her to intern with ZERO pay to get experience.
- They want to give the job to someone with a family and needs it more.
- They had 800 applicants for one position. Sorry, they hired someone else.
- etc
......edit......

As I said...this not normal times. There are lots of hard working, motivated people that can't find a job...any job.

+1
I worked with my company 14+ years and the bottom fell out. I have over 30 years experience and in my location there is about nothing in the job market except for hundreds applying for the same 1 position. I don't even get interviews for jobs making 25% of what I did because they are correct in assuming I will move on for a better offer, I don't want to do that to any business but I have a family to feed. I'm willing to start at the bottom again but not even many opportunities to do that. I have never seen it like this before, most times I had lots of interviews and job offers before I even left from those interviews.

shack

concealer404 wrote:

What you also should have bolded while you were at it was the part where i said "depending on location."

It IS that simple in Indianapolis. Our job market is just fine. Where you are, your mileage may vary.

Interesting....the department of Labor Statistics says your June 09 unemployment rate is 8.7% with nearly 80,000 unemployed. Those statistics only apply to those STILL looking for work. It does not include those who have just given up or taken part time or are "underemployeed". There is no job market where nearly 9% unemployment is just fine. I would dare say there are some in your area that would not have your optimistic outlook.

Continue to spam the entire internet with job applications. Go to interviews. Get new job, even if it's only retail sales. Continue to spam internet with applications. Go to interviews. Get new entry level job as a clerk at a law firm (or whatever your degree relates to.). Spam the firm with applications for higher level jobs.

Getting an entry level job (or any job) is a good idea in these times.

Your spamming the internet or HR department suggestion is a totally wasted effort. Ask any HR person how much attention they pay to an unsolicited email resume or application...and they will probably tell you they never even open them.

concealer404

shack wrote: »

Interesting....the department of Labor Statistics says your June 09 unemployment rate is 8.7% with nearly 80,000 unemployed. Those statistics only apply to those STILL looking for work. It does not include those who have just given up or taken part time or are "underemployeed". There is no job market where nearly 9% unemployment is just fine. I would dare say there are some in your area that would not have your optimistic outlook.

Both the GF and i have no problems matching job upon job on Careerbuilder, and i know of at least 8 places that i pass on the way to work everyday that have a big fat "Now hiring!!" sign out front.

The GF and i have much different job background. I have dabbled in everything and anything. Bartending, vacation booking, flight booking, flooring business, retail sales, musician, insurance, health insurance, IT, etc....

She has a high school education and worked part time at Baskin Robbins. There is no shortage of jobs that "match" on that site, no shortage of interviews granted, and we've both had offers come of the interviews.

Now... i WILL concede that it may very well be different for those with a masters degree coming into the field for the first time, or those with 30 years experience in a field trying to get a job at McD's. I can't speak from experience there.

But from personal experience, my gf's experience, and both of my roomate's experiences (Mechanic and a valet ) nobody that i have direct contact with has had problems finding or keeping a job here.

Getting an entry level job (or any job) is a good idea in these times.

Your spamming the internet or HR department suggestion is a totally wasted effort. Ask any HR person how much attention they pay to an unsolicited email resume or application...and they will probably tell you they never even open them.

Oops. I mean for posted jobs. Apply to any and ALL. I wouldn't recommend just dumping resumes in HR departments that don't have posted openings, either.

shack

concealer404 wrote:

I have dabbled in everything and anything. Bartending, vacation booking, flight booking, flooring business, retail sales, musician, insurance, health insurance, IT, etc....

All this at 23...have trouble keeping a job perhaps?

cnh

All I can say is that I know tons of Ph.D.s whose education is ACTUALLY an impediment to getting employed....OVERQUALIFIED...we don't want to PAY "YOU". And they can't get work at a McDs either; because...well they're overqualified!

So there are a lot out there on the verge of nervous breakdowns in this ECONOMY. There are FEWER, and FEWER, and FEWER jobs for the over-educated in this country. And employers assume that a Ph.D. is TOO stupid to work outside his or her field of specialization so that the best and the brightest are actually kept out of the U.S. economy in a time when their skill sets might be more innovative and capable than those, excuse me, (FlS) that actually RUN this economy.

Now there is a group for you!

B.A.--cry me a river why don't you!!!

cnh

concealer404

shack wrote: »

All this at 23...have trouble keeping a job perhaps?

Nope. Moved a lot, and following the guidelines i laid out before.

I've never once been fired. Always moving up. I've been with this company for two years now, and every interview i've been in, it always gets brought up: "You've only been here for two years, and you do what?!?"

And come now... i'll be 24 in two months! That's practically ancient!