Car destroyed for cash for clunkers

zarrdoss

I could understand doing that to a rusted out 1985 ford bronco with 250k on it, but that is just one of the reasons this country is going to hell

disneyjoe7

zarrdoss wrote: »

I could understand doing that to a rusted out 1985 ford bronco with 250k on it, but that is just one of the reasons this country is going to hell

And then again maybe something which should be removed they may not give you the $4500.

concealer404

zarrdoss wrote: »

I could understand doing that to a rusted out 1985 ford bronco with 250k on it, but that is just one of the reasons this country is going to hell

Truth.

But on the flip side, (and something the government didn't think through, or just didn't care about) there's a reason someone is still driving the 250k rusted out 1985 Ford Bronco. Because they can't afford a car payment, or can barely afford to keep the thing running to the point that they can't buy another car.

"Citizens, we got in this economic depression because of unregulated spending! Save your money! Wait! This just in: Buy a new car! We'll give you a token credit towards it if you let us destroy what you can actually afford to keep!"

Every single aspect of this bill just makes my head spin.

The ONLY people that this helps is the middle class or higher that could afford the new car anyways, and just want to cash in on a $4500 rebate by turning in their old backup car or something.

nooshinjohn

Uncle Sam is an IDIOT!!! just think of the tax deduction the federal government blew by not donating them to Cars for Causes!:D

Seriously though, a bettre use for the cars would have been to weed out the true clunkers and use the others to help those in real need of a decent means of transportation, or otherwise put them to good use. There is a family not far from me that needs a decent minivan to haul their 85 yrear old grandmother around and they cannot afford one.

VSchneider

nooshinjohn wrote: »

... There is a family not far from me that needs a decent minivan to haul their 85 yrear old grandmother around and they cannot afford one.

ahh, the new Healthcare bill (when it gets jammed down our throat) will take care of that issue
Very sad indeed...

MillerLiteScott

How come the greenies are not up in arms about the oil the Volvo spewed on the asphalt that will run off into the local streams etc..... or the smoke it spewed?

engtaz

Those cars could have helped many. What a waste.

concealer404

engtaz wrote: »

Those cars could have helped many. What a waste.

Yup.

Too bad the goverment just wants their cars to sell.

rayslifecycle

shack wrote: »

Will someone explain to me the economics of taking a vehicle that has several years of usefull life and destroy it only to replace it with a vehicle costing many thousands of dollars more just to save a few hundred dollars a year in fuel costs. Not only is the actual cost of ownership substantially higher...the cost to produce another vehicle is much more taxing on the environment than the extra gallons of fuel the existing vehicle would use.

Answer

concealer404 wrote: »

People have those "clunkers" because it's what they can afford. Pretty nice of the government to trick people into thinking they can afford a shiny new car just to put some MORE DEBT in the mix.

Bingo!
Our government is increasing our debt and devaluing our dollar at the same time.......and of course it isn't "green" - because "green" is another method of increasing federal control.

Could someone be lying to us?


nah......carry on

jcaut

I'm going to get on the phone to my Senators offices right now and I suggest you all do the same. Or email 'em.

concealer404

jcaut wrote: »

I'm going to get on the phone to my Senators offices right now and I suggest you all do the same. Or email 'em.

I think it's a little late for that... the bill passed some time ago.

Unless you're trying to prevent the $2 billion that they're trying to get for the program now. Give it a shot. I think it's too late.

jcaut

I'd like to see no additional funding. I know it already passed once.

POIDOG

engtaz wrote: »

Those cars could have helped many. What a waste.

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obieone

jcaut wrote: »

I'm going to get on the phone to my Senators offices right now and I suggest you all do the same. Or email 'em.

LMFAO! If you think that they care about YOUR opinion, then your sadly mistaken. Those aholes have had us on IGNORE for a long time, and actually BELIEVE that you work for THEM!:mad:

If you don't believe me check out THIS SHITE!!!

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That's reverse McCartheyism folks!!

tonyb

Not everyone can afford a new car,there is a market,a big market,for quality used cars,even beaters.Some people are barely getting by and a 500 dollar beater may be the only means of getting to work.To destroy these cars is a travesty to the people who depend on them.As Shack said,it takes more energy to produce a new car,than the extra gas the beater will use.Now I see where this is going,hang on,a new federal gas tax will show up in the pipeline soon.Bank on it.People won't scream as much if everyone is driving a car with 30-40 mpg.Then again,you won't have saved anything either.See where I'm going with this?

TECHNOKID

tcrossma wrote: »

Given that the Government is paying up to $4500 to essentially buy the car from you and keep it off the road, makes sense to me. Why would they want a dealer to sell that engine to a junk yard and have it re-appear in another vehicle when they've just paid good money to "get it off the road"?

I don't personally think the program is particularly useful, but that's another story altogether...

Would be nice if the body of selective cars be kept to be given a new life as EV for example.

SKsolutions wrote: »

That was a nice Volvo, they had a hard time killing it. Is there no better use?
Why not give/sell it, as a tax liability, to someone that can show the need. . .maybe someone who is willing to relocate to find work, but doesn't have the means. Win/Win. Myopic lunacy.

I couldn't care less about the gaz guzling type motor (so passee) but the body of this car is of quality (aren't all volvos) and could definitely be given a new life... However, I don't think there is adaptor kits yet for volvo, would be worhtwhile to have one custom made.

Overall the program could have been worhtwhile if it were to benefit the masses but it doesn't really seem that way. Looks like saving the car companies and trying to put the US bank system at float at the expenses of the average US citizens? As many have pointed out, many of the cars could have been given/donated to organisations that seek the welfare of the most needy.

We are suppose to get some program of the sort here in Quebec, I sure hope they find wiser ways to spend our dollars. I think there is a 4500$ for buying electric (however not readily available) and hybrids (worse garbage ever produced as far as I am concerned). I feel in any countries it is time to seriously get rid of fossil fuel as much as possible but why is governments always playing the cards defavorably to the masses and to the gain of the selcted few wealthy?

Danny Tse

The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers Trade-Ins:

1. 1998 Ford Explorer
2. 1997 Ford Explorer
3. 1996 Ford Explorer
4. 1999 Ford Explorer
5. Jeep Grand Cherokee
6. Jeep Cherokee
7. 1995 Ford Explorer
8. 1994 Ford Explorer
9. 1997 Ford Windstar
10. 1999 Dodge Caravan

The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers New Cars:

1. Ford Focus
2. Honda Civic
3. Toyota Corolla
4. Toyota Prius
5. Ford Escape
6. Toyota Camry
7. Dodge Caliber
8. Hyundai Elantra
9. Honda Fit
10. Chevy Cobalt

The domestic brands captured about 47% of all clunker sales, slightly higher than their combined market share.

audiobliss

Danny Tse wrote: »

6. Jeep Cherokee

Breaks my heart.

sucks2beme

Everything government does pretty much pisses me off. That and
21st century big companies. We really need some free wheeling
thinkers who can PLAN instead of REACT in times of crisis.
But hey, what do I know. Why destroy the drivetrain?
Let the junkyards tear them down and re-use whatever is still good.
Waste not, want not. This goes against all that I was taught as a child.

BeRad

Isn't the whole idea of this program to help revitalize the auto industry in North America by offering incentives to buy new?
I always thought that the two primary industries in NA that can help pull us out of a recession were housing and automotive due to how many jobs are affected by each.

Retro152

BeRad wrote: »

Isn't the whole idea of this program to help revitalize the auto industry in North America by offering incentives to buy new?
I always thought that the two primary industries in NA that can help pull us out of a recession were housing and automotive due to how many jobs are affected by each.

Just curious, but are these incentives being offered in Canada also?



Pat.

obieone

I love how 6/10 of the vehicles are foreign made:eek: Ready, fire, AIM!:p

disneyjoe7

Retro152 wrote: »

Just curious, but are these incentives being offered in Canada also?



Pat.

I don't believe so, unless we "Americans" are helping families buy autos in Canada also.

This whole issue is just burning me up, Tax dollars effect us either in taxes or devalued cash as they print more cash of there own. The waste of some obvious good cars being destroyed. The possibility that this is getting some whom can't really afford a new car, to buy one.

The whole thing is UGLY.

BeRad

obieone wrote: »

I love how 6/10 of the vehicles are foreign made:eek: Ready, fire, AIM!:p

So what? Still delivered, sold, and serviced by Americans.
"If you can find a better car, buy it!"


I have heard of a similar program being proposed in Canada but based on the way dealers are pumping out vehicles around here (city of 113,000) it doesn't seem to be needed. Ford are selling trucks faster than they can get them in, and I've noticed that more brand new Dodge and Chev trucks have been coming in the shop for accessories than the previous 3 summers.

Our pricing is ALMOST finally comparable to US pricing!!!! WOOT! If the dollar gets to par though, we'll be buying our vehicles from the USA once again!

Retro152

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

I don't believe so, unless we "Americans" are helping families buy autos in Canada also.

This whole issue is just burning me up, Tax dollars effect us either in taxes or devalued cash as they print more cash of there own. The waste of some obvious good cars being destroyed. The possibility that this is getting some whom can't really afford a new car, to buy one.

The whole thing is UGLY.

Agree with you 150% Joe, found Berads post puzzling, given his local, and take. The entire program is a quick fix, trying in vain to stimulate an industry on the downslide for years, only being brought to the forefront, in light of the current state of the US economy.:rolleyes:


Pat.

zarrdoss

concealer404 wrote: »

Truth.

But on the flip side, (and something the government didn't think through, or just didn't care about) there's a reason someone is still driving the 250k rusted out 1985 Ford Bronco. Because they can't afford a car payment, or can barely afford to keep the thing running to the point that they can't buy another car.

"Citizens, we got in this economic depression because of unregulated spending! Save your money! Wait! This just in: Buy a new car! We'll give you a token credit towards it if you let us destroy what you can actually afford to keep!"

Every single aspect of this bill just makes my head spin.

The ONLY people that this helps is the middle class or higher that could afford the new car anyways, and just want to cash in on a $4500 rebate by turning in their old backup car or something.

I agree

TECHNOKID

BeRad wrote: »

Isn't the whole idea of this program to help revitalize the auto industry in North America by offering incentives to buy new?
I always thought that the two primary industries in NA that can help pull us out of a recession were housing and automotive due to how many jobs are affected by each.

Well, the auto industry is so deep and governments pushing the big $$$$ at the expense of those same workers eventually gets right back in their face. It was also mentioned that average income earners don't have the money to spend on new cars especially during this recession so again, the government is pushing incentives for the good of the big guys not the average workers. We have seen this many times here in Canada also. Most Canadians were very reluctant to see the federal government getting involved/pushing money to the big 3. One way or the other, the average worker will wind-up giving back the incentive back to uncle sam 2 to 3 times what the government provided.

TECHNOKID

Retro152 wrote: »

Just curious, but are these incentives being offered in Canada also?



Pat.

As I mentioned, there is an incentive of 4500$ (sorry, 4K, I just checked on the zenn car site http://zenncars.com/) on electric and/or hybrid cars. This here: http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/517204 seems to be the latest discussion from Ottawa and some proposals were in the area of 3500$ but I don't know if this will happen (I have been keeping my old 95 in reserve for this )???

POIDOG

TECHNOKID wrote: »

I feel in any countries it is time to seriously get rid of fossil fuel as much as possible but why is governments always playing the cards defavorably to the masses and to the gain of the selcted few wealthy?

It's called "crony capitalism". :eek::mad:

I wont diatribe on it here, but this is why you get programs like this

tonyb

POIDOG wrote: »

It's called "crony capitalism". :eek::mad:

I wont diatribe on it here, but this is why you get programs like this

I dig the phrase.Hey,here's a good idea,and I didn't go to Harvard either,nor do I work for Goldman Sachs.How about you actually get people back to work so they can afford new cars on their own,without spending billions of our money,only to have a good portion of those loans go belly up.What a concept!! Oh wait,we allocated nearly a trillion to get the economy on track and create millions of new jobs.One thing is for sure,they prove to us time and time again that they can't be trusted with the public funds or the public trust.Cash for clunkers,why not cash for that old energy sucker of a fridge?? How about cash for that old boat that only gets 4 miles to the gallon? Who wouldn't want a new boat?Where does this stupid mentality end? Maybe I'll write my congressman,tell them I need a cash for clunkers voucher for my old gas guzzling lawn tractor.What a joke...