Car destroyed for cash for clunkers

disneyjoe7
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edited August 2009 in The Clubhouse
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=7765476&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/



Question I have other then nice car what a shame, why did it die like that? I would think any engine should be abused like that in that short time period with no problems. Unless something was done to it too help it along. :rolleyes:

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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited August 2009
    Thats crazy! probably drained all of the oil.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,771
    edited August 2009
    Destroyed for cash for clunkers? I doubt it, that car was worth more than the cash for clunkers rebate.
  • dkmuch
    dkmuch Posts: 79
    edited August 2009
    Dealers must replace the oil in the “clunker” with two quarts of sodium silicate solution and run the engine for up to seven minutes, permanently disabling it, according to rules released today by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in Washington.
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited August 2009
    that is cruelty to automobiles !
  • tcrossma
    tcrossma Posts: 1,301
    edited August 2009
    Given that the Government is paying up to $4500 to essentially buy the car from you and keep it off the road, makes sense to me. Why would they want a dealer to sell that engine to a junk yard and have it re-appear in another vehicle when they've just paid good money to "get it off the road"?

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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,335
    edited August 2009
    We must kill all cars!
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  • POIDOG
    POIDOG Posts: 391
    edited August 2009
    Get use to it boys & girls, today cars, tomorrow.... Soylent Green anyone :confused:
  • Retro152
    Retro152 Posts: 985
    edited August 2009
    The 1 billion alloted towards the program has just about been exausted. See their trying to approve another 2 billion to keep it going!;) Shady characters nationwide are rubbin their palms in anticipation. LOL.:rolleyes:




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  • CaligulaPolk
    CaligulaPolk Posts: 1,650
    edited August 2009
    i saw this on NEWS earlier or yesterday..
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2009
    ^^ I'm sure you have since it's off www.Foxnews.com :)

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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited August 2009
    That's sad. And SOOOO stupid. Gosh, I can't even stand to think about it.
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited August 2009
    That was a nice Volvo, they had a hard time killing it. Is there no better use?
    Why not give/sell it, as a tax liability, to someone that can show the need. . .maybe someone who is willing to relocate to find work, but doesn't have the means. Win/Win. Myopic lunacy.
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  • Polkersince85
    Polkersince85 Posts: 2,883
    edited August 2009
    I'd be more concerned about the clause in the contract that says the government owns your computer. It's on one of the pages of the 150 page deal.
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  • ntculenuff
    ntculenuff Posts: 1,146
    edited August 2009
    i don't think that volvo falls into the clunker category it seems to be a newer car and if thats the case i'm taking in my audi a6 and getting a new one :) i was on the understanding that the car has to get less than 19 mpg average to even qualify. but i haven't looked to far into it as i figure my car won't qualify and i like my jeep its paid for :)
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2009
    With the oil cap which was remove, these a bottle of something next to the car... I think they added something to kill that engine. Sad I would buy that car for $4500 no problem.

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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2009
    This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. The people who are in the market for the very vehicles they're killing off are the same people this government claims to care so much about. The people who buy these cars are in the younger and poorer demographics. The people who can't afford a new car or a higher end used car.

    I listened to a radio program this afternoon and auto techs were calling in saying what a waste it was they were just destroying these otherwise great vehicles.

    Morons.
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2009
    Will someone explain to me the economics of taking a vehicle that has several years of usefull life and destroy it only to replace it with a vehicle costing many thousands of dollars more just to save a few hundred dollars a year in fuel costs. Not only is the actual cost of ownership substantially higher...the cost to produce another vehicle is much more taxing on the environment than the extra gallons of fuel the existing vehicle would use.

    Our stupid government at work. :rolleyes:
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited August 2009
    What a waste.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,461
    edited August 2009
    It's another Obamanation!!!
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited August 2009
    I'd be more concerned about the clause in the contract that says the government owns your computer. It's on one of the pages of the 150 page deal.

    BINGO! I heard about that this morning. People have NO friggin idea what they've done by signing up for this nonsense.
    So now they've taken control of PRIVATE, independent dealerships!
    Welcome to change, COMMRADES!:mad:
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  • joecollins
    joecollins Posts: 10
    edited August 2009
    I'm going to submit my car for that :)
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2009
    My old 98 Riviera with 131,000 miles didn't qualify, but my 98 Corvette with 60k miles did... In the end, I traded in the Riv(which was falling apart) for $1500. I can see some positives from this bill, but more thought should have went into it.
    I'm waiting for the healthcare bill, that should be even more interesting.
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  • JohnLocke88
    JohnLocke88 Posts: 1,150
    edited August 2009
    shack wrote: »
    Will someone explain to me the economics of taking a vehicle that has several years of usefull life and destroy it only to replace it with a vehicle costing many thousands of dollars more just to save a few hundred dollars a year in fuel costs. Not only is the actual cost of ownership substantially higher...the cost to produce another vehicle is much more taxing on the environment than the extra gallons of fuel the existing vehicle would use.

    Our stupid government at work. :rolleyes:

    The main point is not to be "green," but to increase auto sales... Being green is just a ruse...
  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited August 2009
    More waste in a country already infamous for it :(
    Ludicrous gibs!
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2009
    That thing ran a long time without any oil in the engine.

    Ever run a lawn mower without oil? Starts smoking in about 2 seconds...
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    Ever run a lawn mower without oil? Starts smoking in about 2 seconds...
    Sounds like you're speaking from experience. :D
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited August 2009
    Too bad the majority of the people in this country don't have a brain, otherwise this would have NEVER gone through without a major fight.

    Killing that Volvo was ridiculous. That was a VERY nice car.

    People have those "clunkers" because it's what they can afford. Pretty nice of the government to trick people into thinking they can afford a shiny new car just to put some MORE DEBT in the mix.

    What a kick in the nuts it would be if EVERYONE bought a Hyundai with that money.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2009
    What a kick in the nuts it would be if EVERYONE bought a Hyundai with that money.
    I believe some Hyundai's are made here.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited August 2009
    Face wrote: »
    I believe some Hyundai's are made here.

    You're probably right, but then again, everyone jumped my balls when i pointed out that a lot of Toyotas and Hondas are made here, helping jobs here, because they only cared that the companies were BASED in Japan, so screw all the good that they actually do for the people of this country. BUY AMERICAN: YOU'RE EITHER WITH US, OR AGAINST US.

    My main reason for laughing at the rhetorical scenario of everyone buying Hyundais would be (wait, let me put my tin foil hat on) that i think the Cash For Clunkers bill has more to do with trying to get people to buy cars from Government Motors. (Cars that should probably just be given to them at a HUGE discount anyways, since, you know, we all own them.) Notice the fairly recent influx of commercials saying how GM cars have GREAT gas mileage? I'm convinced that this isn't a coincidence. This all has to do with the pretense of "GREEN IS WHAT WE WANT" that the government is trying to force down our throats. They're just trying to tell you that they're trying to better the world by giving you a once in a lifetime chance to own a shiny new modern car that you can't really afford and do your part to save the planet. Oh, by the way, we're going to crush your car AND [not-so-subliminal messaging] by the way! We make very fuel efficient vehicles priced perfectly for the everyday American citizen![/not-so-subliminal messaging].

    I dunno... I really don't care about the bill on a personal level. None of my cars (all could probably be called clunkers by the less-informed) even qualify, despite a combined purchase price of $2200 for all three. The MPG is way to high on all of them, even the MX6 which belches raw unburnt fuel, fireballs, and all kinds of gases that the 20 year old emission system probably isn't filtering anymore.

    My only initial outrage was that they were crushing the cars, effectively taking them out of the reach of us junkyard/used parts hunters. Then i 1) found out that only the drivetrains are being destroyed in most cases, then the rest of the car goes to salvage, and 2) I doubt any of the cars that qualify will be anything that i'll be looking for later.

    Probably not a ton of Datsuns or classic Toyotas worth a damn are getting "clunked."


    I may come off as way off base on a lot of this, but the idea of the whole bill just pisses me off, but i don't feel left out or anything.
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  • apphd
    apphd Posts: 1,514
    edited August 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    That thing ran a long time without any oil in the engine.

    Ever run a lawn mower without oil? Starts smoking in about 2 seconds...
    Volvo could use that in a comercial. That did take a long time to die.

    Demiurge wrote: »
    This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. The people who are in the market for the very vehicles they're killing off are the same people this government claims to care so much about. The people who buy these cars are in the younger and poorer demographics. The people who can't afford a new car or a higher end used car.

    I listened to a radio program this afternoon and auto techs were calling in saying what a waste it was they were just destroying these otherwise great vehicles.

    Morons.
    That was a nice Volvo, they had a hard time killing it. Is there no better use?
    Why not give/sell it, as a tax liability, to someone that can show the need. . .maybe someone who is willing to relocate to find work, but doesn't have the means. Win/Win. Myopic lunacy.

    Washington at it's finest:rolleyes: I'm sure not all clunkers are like that Volvo, but I'm also sure there are a lot more like it. PA used to buy cars for people on assistance so they could get a job and commute or have transportation to school so they could get a job. To get them to support themself. Many of these could have gone to programs like that, or look at all the state/fed. government vehicles on the road, how many of these could have been put to use there?

    This is just sad from so many angles.:mad: