Why not much SACD/DVD-Audio?

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2009
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    the actual USB delivery system, it is not yet up hi-fi standardsRT1

    What is the problem or symptom with the USB delivery system as compared to a CD or transport/DAC? :confused:
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited July 2009
    USB can get choppy if you aren't carefull with the windows setup.
    I dedicated a pc to it and tweaked it, along with using Asio drivers to
    bypass all that windows cr*p. Also some jitter problems can crop up.
    Firewire is a much better format, but 90% out there is USB.

    SACD requires remastering to get the full effect. That costs money to do
    with low sales volume "audiophile" albums. That coupled with the players
    and the fact many are into MP3 makes it a poor market to cater to.
    Given 95% of all new music is mastered by morons who compress the
    life out of it, it's a tough market.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    USB can get choppy if you aren't carefull with the windows setup.
    I dedicated a pc to it and tweaked it, along with using Asio drivers to
    bypass all that windows cr*p. Also some jitter problems can crop up.
    Firewire is a much better format, but 90% out there is USB.

    SACD requires remastering to get the full effect. That costs money to do
    with low sales volume "audiophile" albums. That coupled with the players
    and the fact many are into MP3 makes it a poor market to cater to.
    Given 95% of all new music is mastered by morons who compress the
    life out of it, it's a tough market.

    USB from an Apple computer is rock solid. Wavelength's Ansynchronous USB DACs are unreal. Even, the Proton puts out serious sound. That being said, those of you who mentioned firewire are probably right. Firewire offers all the benefits of Asynchronous USB with even more speed. Consequently I am looking at DACs by Weiss, in particular, the Minerva and the DAC1.

    If I could have it all, I would love a DAC capable of being hooked to my computer via firewire and able to accept a Hi-Rez signal via HDMI from an SACD player. Anyone know if the PS Audio PWD does that?
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  • slack56
    slack56 Posts: 68
    edited July 2009
    If anyone finds a Blue Ray player with 7.1 analog outputs and SACD playback let me know.

    G
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited July 2009
    slack56 wrote: »
    If anyone finds a Blue Ray player with 7.1 analog outputs and SACD playback let me know.

    G

    http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited July 2009
    madmax wrote: »
    Good music is out there, unfortunately most artists don't give a crap about fidelity. So long as the jist of it makes it on the disc and it is mixed as hot as it can be that is all that matters. Old analog masters from the 40's, 50's and 60's and 70's sound better than most new digital recordings.
    madmax

    Unfortunately, that's the very situation that has us clamoring for SACD. (even some of those are mastered too hot)
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  • slack56
    slack56 Posts: 68
    edited July 2009
    Very nice, and reasonable for all it does. Most seem to like the Oppo equipment and the professional reviews are great. Now where can I get one for less than $499

    G
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited July 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    At the end of the day, I will keep my fingers crossed that the SACD format is either revived later on, or is completely surpassed by an even better medium. Until then, I will continue to enjoy the SACD's I do have. Good stuff, fo' sho.

    Hear, hear! Blu Ray audio is the next thing to take off.. the format is there already where nearly everyone has a BD player now in their home.

    lets have blu ray music pronto. I would support it for sure. No more stinkin format wars... the time is now for blu ray audio/video to strike.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    danger boy wrote: »
    Hear, hear! Blu Ray audio is the next thing to take off.. the format is there already where nearly everyone has a BD player now in their home.

    lets have blu ray music pronto. I would support it for sure. No more stinkin format wars... the time is now for blu ray audio/video to strike.

    +1 I would jump on this wagon in a hearbeat.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited July 2009
    The figures don't support the "nearly everyone has a BD player now in their home" idea.

    By most estimates, there will be roughly three million standalone Blu-ray players sold in 2008. ( A standalone player is one that just plays Blu-ray and standard-def DVDs, as opposed to a PlayStation 3, which is a gaming console and Blu-ray player.)

    But thanks to lower prices and positive word of mouth, Blu-ray player sales will really start to boom next year. Combining the PS3 and standalone Blu-ray players, more than 25 million U.S. homes will have Blu-ray capability by the end of 2009. At that point, it will be up to the studios to set the discs at attractive prices; if they do, Blu-ray will be on its way to replacing the standard-def DVD.

    Factor in the bad economy and I'll bet that estimate falls way short.
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  • WastelandWand'r
    WastelandWand'r Posts: 466
    edited July 2009
    Let me start by saying I was exposed to SACD here at Polk, thanks.
    I have two players, a Denon 2910 and a 3910. Both make exceptional music to my ears. While not the be all and end all of players they do an admirable job, and they can be had on the cheap in the used market.

    I have a pretty extensive CD collection and whenever I compare the sound of a standard CD to the SACD there is no comparison.

    However, I do notice a large portion of the SACD catalogs, and I have searched many of them, are geared toward classical or dare I call it, 'obscure' music. If you want to see most peoples (anyone living outside of a large metro area with a performing arts or metro center, and under the age of 45) eyes glaze over, slap a classical disc in and push play. Many people consider this torture, myself included. No, I am not a musician, yes I appreciate the skill and dedication involved it just doesn't move me.
    So if popular music/titles aren't there and for the most part popularity sells, its making it is a gamble at best.

    I hope it succeeds and they begin to visit some more mainstream/recent/popular titles for re-release on SACD. I know I will be there with my wallet when they do.

    By the way Solid, Apple= pure unadulturated evil, and not the good kind.
    Nathan
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    WastelandWand'r wrote: »
    Let me start by saying I was exposed to SACD here at Polk, thanks.
    I have two players, a Denon 2910 and a 3910. Both make exceptional music to my ears. While not the be all and end all of players they do an admirable job, and they can be had on the cheap in the used market.

    I have a pretty extensive CD collection and whenever I compare the sound of a standard CD to the SACD there is no comparison.

    However, I do notice a large portion of the SACD catalogs, and I have searched many of them, are geared toward classical or dare I call it, 'obscure' music. If you want to see most peoples (anyone living outside of a large metro area with a performing arts or metro center, and under the age of 45) eyes glaze over, slap a classical disc in and push play. Many people consider this torture, myself included. No, I am not a musician, yes I appreciate the skill and dedication involved it just doesn't move me.
    So if popular music/titles aren't there and for the most part popularity sells, its making it is a gamble at best.

    I hope it succeeds and they begin to visit some more mainstream/recent/popular titles for re-release on SACD. I know I will be there with my wallet when they do.

    By the way Solid, Apple= pure unadulturated evil, and not the good kind.
    Nathan

    Yup great . . . thanks for the useless comment. Ah huh, K you changed my mind. Tossed it out the window. Clearly I don't know good sound or what I am doing.
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  • WastelandWand'r
    WastelandWand'r Posts: 466
    edited July 2009
    SS,
    You are welcome. And my comment was not aimed at your musical tastes, equipment, or direction in life. It was merely an observation of your use of an Apple.
    And your response is what I have come to expect from your type. Meaning an Apple user. Don't worry, some in my family use them and I still find it in my heart to love them so all is not lost.
    Enjoy your music and give Jobs a hug!!!
    Nathan
    Home Rig

    SDA 2.3TL's front and center
    Polk 1000p Center
    Pioneer Elite SC35 Receiver (Pre/Surround
    Sunfire Cinema Grand 5X200-Back in the mix.
    OPPO BDP-93
    Squeezebox
    Stepped up to name brand Speaker Cables and interconnects!
    Monitor 4, 5, 7, 10's, SDA 1B's, 2B's, 2.3TL's, RTA 15TL's all in storage waiting for me.
    Sales Rating #1!!
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    WastelandWand'r wrote: »
    SS,
    You are welcome. And my comment was not aimed at your musical tastes, equipment, or direction in life. It was merely an observation of your use of an Apple.
    And your response is what I have come to expect from your type. Meaning an Apple user. Don't worry, some in my family use them and I still find it in my heart to love them so all is not lost.
    Enjoy your music and give Jobs a hug!!!
    Nathan

    No No you're misreading me entirely, I am in the process of building a custom extremely silent music server based on windows. I swing both ways (apple/pc). It all depends on my application. I apologize if I misread you. I assumed you were making a commentary on computer audio, which was discussed earlier in the thread.

    You're the one who incited my comments with your "troll-like" jab, which frankly this forum can do with less of. If sarcasm was the typified response you were looking for, then I guess I am guilty. Go on being a Troll.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    Back to the schedule program, CD Universe (link here) has a pretty good collection of SACD rock and pop music.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2009
    I believe the time has come for a pc system based sub-forum on our Club Polk board.

    RT1--SACD Rocks--Tubes Rule
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2009
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    I believe the time has come for a pc system based sub-forum on our Club Polk board.

    RT1--SACD Rocks--Tubes Rule

    Or maybe a Rock and Rule sub forum.
    madmax
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  • WastelandWand'r
    WastelandWand'r Posts: 466
    edited July 2009
    Digressing and leaving the topic. My bad.
    Home Rig

    SDA 2.3TL's front and center
    Polk 1000p Center
    Pioneer Elite SC35 Receiver (Pre/Surround
    Sunfire Cinema Grand 5X200-Back in the mix.
    OPPO BDP-93
    Squeezebox
    Stepped up to name brand Speaker Cables and interconnects!
    Monitor 4, 5, 7, 10's, SDA 1B's, 2B's, 2.3TL's, RTA 15TL's all in storage waiting for me.
    Sales Rating #1!!
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  • WastelandWand'r
    WastelandWand'r Posts: 466
    edited July 2009
    Well I can see my attempt at humor went over like the proverbial **** in a punch bowl.
    But, I have to disagree with the labeling.
    Thanks for the link.

    Nathan
    Home Rig

    SDA 2.3TL's front and center
    Polk 1000p Center
    Pioneer Elite SC35 Receiver (Pre/Surround
    Sunfire Cinema Grand 5X200-Back in the mix.
    OPPO BDP-93
    Squeezebox
    Stepped up to name brand Speaker Cables and interconnects!
    Monitor 4, 5, 7, 10's, SDA 1B's, 2B's, 2.3TL's, RTA 15TL's all in storage waiting for me.
    Sales Rating #1!!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited July 2009
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    I believe the time has come for a pc system based sub-forum on our Club Polk board.

    That's an excellent idea. Maybe we can get one for POS pro amps as well.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    That's an excellent idea. Maybe we can get one for POS pro amps as well.

    Computer Audiophile provides all the discless info. I need. I depend on this forum to supply crotchety old farts willing to go to war before trying a new technology. This balance insures my youthful naivety and willingness to jump on the bandwagon is tempered by senile skepticism and unwavering experience.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited July 2009
    LOL......I don't care what Doro says, you're ok in my book.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited July 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Computer Audiophile provides all the discless info. I need. I depend on this forum to supply crotchety old farts willing to go to war before trying a new technology. This balance insures my youthful naivety and willingness to jump on the bandwagon is tempered by senile skepticism and unwavering experience.

    Thank you for educating me about the existence of Computer Audiophile. Other than the suggestion by another CP member to give the Bryston BDA-1 DAC a try (I bought it, and love it), this is the best piece of information I have come across on this forum.

    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    LOL......I don't care what Doro says, you're ok in my book.

    What!? I didn't know I had to watch my back for Mark.
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Thank you for educating me about the existence of Computer Audiophile. Other than the suggestion by another CP member to give the Bryston BDA-1 DAC a try (I bought it, and love it), this is the best piece of information I have come across on this forum.

    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/

    There's a lot of diverse minds over there. It's not a community like club polk, but you do get some manufacturers frequenting the site and a lot of people with good technical prowess. Gordon Rankin of Wavelength Audio in particular is a landmine of knowledge. He'll blow your mind.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2009
    :eek: ROTFLMAO!!!:D:D:D Now that is classic! Nice one SS.:D
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Computer Audiophile provides all the discless info. I need. I depend on this forum to supply crotchety old farts willing to go to war before trying a new technology. This balance insures my youthful naivety and willingness to jump on the bandwagon is tempered by senile skepticism and unwavering experience.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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