Shoot out: Kimber 8TC, DH Labs Q-10, MAC CuQ & PNF Symphony

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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited September 2009
    That's my experience as well. You can't beat it for the price. You'll find more of the same with their Icon interconnects.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited September 2009
    marvda1 wrote: »
    i have a review soon to be published of the new audio art sc-5se speaker cables in which i compare them to the pnf symphony and straley reality speaker cables. will let you know when it appears at stereo mojo.


    Post a link here,I'd be interested in reading that since I think the reality cables offer an extreme bang for your buck.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited September 2009
    it's finished, i just have to add some manufacturer's comments and pics and it's off to stereo mojo.
    marvin
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
  • xrock
    xrock Posts: 22
    edited September 2009
    How many different type of IC Does one have. Too many to count and not enuff money to experiment. Stick to one brand that work and save money, unless that one brand/model is ultra expensiive. If you could afford the ultra expensive stuff, then it must be cheap to you. A good recommend would be some where in between. Like the Audio Quest copper head. It is 100.00 pair, but go around $30-60 used. Don't buy into the AQ sky, which retail for 2,500.00 pair. Despite the copy cat from China, they do make good affordable cable too. Hi end copy cat. Just like louis vuitton hand purse. There is level of quality too in copy cate. I read an article where the Hi end copy cat from China wanted to be official part of the real thing (louis vuitton), but the head of the real thing do not go through with it.
  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited September 2009
    here's my review of the new audio art sc-5se speaker cables.
    http://www.stereomojo.com/AudioArtSC5SECABLES.htm/AudioArtSC5SECABLES.htm
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited September 2009
    xrock wrote: »
    How many different type of IC Does one have. Too many to count and not enuff money to experiment. Stick to one brand that work and save money, unless that one brand/model is ultra expensiive. If you could afford the ultra expensive stuff, then it must be cheap to you. A good recommend would be some where in between. Like the Audio Quest copper head. It is 100.00 pair, but go around $30-60 used. Don't buy into the AQ sky, which retail for 2,500.00 pair. Despite the copy cat from China, they do make good affordable cable too. Hi end copy cat. Just like louis vuitton hand purse. There is level of quality too in copy cate. I read an article where the Hi end copy cat from China wanted to be official part of the real thing (louis vuitton), but the head of the real thing do not go through with it.

    The Copperheads were in the house just long enough for me to put them back in the box and return them. The Diamondbacks or King Cobras are far better. The Copperheads were way too bright and harsh.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
  • phipiper10
    phipiper10 Posts: 955
    edited September 2009
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    The Copperheads were in the house just long enough for me to put them back in the box and return them. The Diamondbacks or King Cobras are far better. The Copperheads were way too bright and harsh.

    What he said.
    Analog Source: Rega P3-24 Exact 2 w/GT delrin platter & Neo TT-PSU Digital Source: Lumin T2 w/Roon (NUC) DAC: Denafrips Pontus II Phono Preamp: Rega Aria MK3 Preamp: Rogue RP-7 Amp: Pass X150.8 Speakers: Joseph Audio Perspective 2, Audio Physic Tempo Plus Cables: Morrow M4 ICs & Audio Art SC-5 ePlus, Shunyata PCs Misc: Shunyata Hydra Delta D6, VTI rack, GIK acoustic panels
  • olilugo
    olilugo Posts: 405
    edited October 2009
    marvda1 wrote: »
    here's my review of the new audio art sc-5se speaker cables.
    http://www.stereomojo.com/AudioArtSC5SECABLES.htm/AudioArtSC5SECABLES.htm

    Marvin, I read your write up on audiomojo. I am not clear so I wanted to ask you is your conclusion that for the money and cable vs. cable the PNF Symphony Bi-wire turn out to be a better overall cable?

    I am asking on account of this statement:
    "PNF's have a harmonically richer sound which adds some more layers to the midrange. The highs are more extended with the Audio Arts but the PNF's are a little smoother sounding"


    Thanks
    Current HT setup
    Mains: B&W 804s
    Center: Polk CSi5
    Surround: Polk FXi3
    Sub: Velodyne DLS-3750R
    Receiver: Pioneer SC-07
    Amplifier: Sunfire TGA5200
    TV: Sony KDS60A2020
    DBP: Sony DBP-S350
    CDP: Pioneer DV-48AV
    Interconnect cables: SignalCable analog II
    speaker cables: SignalCable Ultra Speaker Cables Bi-wire
  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited October 2009
    in my system i prefer the pnf's.
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
  • olilugo
    olilugo Posts: 405
    edited October 2009
    Thanks Marvin.
    Current HT setup
    Mains: B&W 804s
    Center: Polk CSi5
    Surround: Polk FXi3
    Sub: Velodyne DLS-3750R
    Receiver: Pioneer SC-07
    Amplifier: Sunfire TGA5200
    TV: Sony KDS60A2020
    DBP: Sony DBP-S350
    CDP: Pioneer DV-48AV
    Interconnect cables: SignalCable analog II
    speaker cables: SignalCable Ultra Speaker Cables Bi-wire
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited October 2009
    Cable reviews are darn near useless, unless the reviewer is running the same equipment you are; and it's still a stretch as everyone has their individual expectations/preferences. Dodge or Chevy? It's all about synergy.

    Example; I found exactly the opposite as "sucks2beme" in regards to Copperhead vs Diamondback. I found Diamondback to be 2-dimensional and very dry sounding, where I found Copperhead far better. And FWIW, I heard no differences between Copperhead and the less expensive Sidewinder.

    After trying numerous brands; AQ, Straight Wire, Analysis Plus, Kimber PBJ, etc., I eventually settled on Kimber Hero IC's and 8TC v.2 speaker cables. I like the fuller bodied upper bass/lower midrange, clean treble that is not overdone, and the over all tonal neutrality in my rig.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited October 2009
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Cable reviews are darn near useless, unless the reviewer is running the same equipment you are; and it's still a stretch as everyone has their individual expectations/preferences. Dodge or Chevy? It's all about synergy.

    Example; I found exactly the opposite as "sucks2beme" in regards to Copperhead vs Diamondback. I found Diamondback to be 2-dimensional and very dry sounding, where I found Copperhead far better. And FWIW, I heard no differences between Copperhead and the less expensive Sidewinder.

    After trying numerous brands; AQ, Straight Wire, Analysis Plus, Kimber PBJ, etc., I eventually settled on Kimber Hero IC's and 8TC v.2 speaker cables. I like the fuller bodied upper bass/lower midrange, clean treble that is not overdone, and the over all tonal neutrality in my rig.


    I agree. I've had similar experiences with cables..... Synergy is a huge factor in this hobby.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited October 2009
    I can also agree with Steve here,about the whole synergy thing. For me the G.S. Reality cables give me the synergy I like at a price that won't blow the nest egg. This hobby of ours is all about trial and error. You have to kiss a few frogs before your prince shows up.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited October 2009
    I just got a pair of diamondback ICs for my turntable and find them sterile and just too warm sounding.I plan to replace them with air matrix which has very good synergy in my system.
    SDA-2BTL with custom IC
    Adcom 565 monoblocks--Monarchy Audio M-10 preamp
    Theta Data Basic Transport--Stello DA100 Signature DAC--Camelot Dragon Pro2 MK III
    Harman Kardon T-55c TT
    DH Labs Q-10 Signature Speaker Cables With Furez silver plated copper bananas
    Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryo-Silver Reference AES/EBU
    Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryo-Silver i2s digital cable
    4 Furutech FP-314Ag with FI-11cu Plugs/FI-11AG IECs--- Power Cords
    DH LABS REVELATIONS ICs-amps
    Revelation Audio Labs Paradise cryo-silver ICs-Source to pre
  • PNF Audio
    PNF Audio Posts: 2
    edited October 2009
    Hello Polk Audio,

    We just wanted to write in and say THANKS for this great review and continued support.

    Not sure if this is allowed, but if it is, we are willing to offer a POLK Audio Forum discount. If interested just email me steve@pnfaudio.com

    All the Best,

    Steve
  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited October 2009
    Cool beans! Thanks Steve
  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited October 2009
    Those Icon ICs look tempting.I just may try those out. The build is a-lot like the air matrix I like so much..
    SDA-2BTL with custom IC
    Adcom 565 monoblocks--Monarchy Audio M-10 preamp
    Theta Data Basic Transport--Stello DA100 Signature DAC--Camelot Dragon Pro2 MK III
    Harman Kardon T-55c TT
    DH Labs Q-10 Signature Speaker Cables With Furez silver plated copper bananas
    Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryo-Silver Reference AES/EBU
    Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryo-Silver i2s digital cable
    4 Furutech FP-314Ag with FI-11cu Plugs/FI-11AG IECs--- Power Cords
    DH LABS REVELATIONS ICs-amps
    Revelation Audio Labs Paradise cryo-silver ICs-Source to pre
  • TouchOfEvil
    TouchOfEvil Posts: 967
    edited October 2009
    I just ordered a 6 foot set of the Spymphony cables from Steve. Great guy to deal with and willing to make some very good good deals on his cables. Once i get some more free coin i will be giving the Icons a try as well.
    Once i get the cables i will be posting my results for sure.
    Living Room Rig:D
    Rotel RSP-1069/Rotel RMB-1095/Rotel-1072/Polk lsI15's W/modded xoverW/DBsubs/Polk LsiC/lsI7's/Klipsch sub-12"the weak link"/DLP Mitsubishi 65"
    Xbox360/PS3/WII
    M.Br. setup:)
    Emotiva MMC-1/Rotel RMB-1075/Polk BlackStone TL350's/Velodyne SPL1000/Samsung 51" Plasma
    Computer Rig:
    Rotel RB1050/Tannoy DC4's/Klipsch RW-10d/ImodIpod/HK AVR230 for now....
    Headphones-Ultrasone-HFI780's w/LittleDot MK Vamp Portables Panasonic HJE-900's
  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,901
    edited October 2009
    i also got his digital coaxial cable at $40 sounds great.
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
  • dreyfusfabrini
    dreyfusfabrini Posts: 1
    edited December 2010
    Do you know how this PNF Symphony compares to the MAC Shotgun? :confused:
  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited December 2010
    Do you know how this PNF Symphony compares to the MAC Shotgun? :confused:

    I've never heard the shotguns, so can't comment on that.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited December 2010
    Seems like you concluded a push in comparison with the audioart's. I just want to point out that the Gregg Straley Reality cables are a great value. The audioarts 6 ft pair listed at 395. The Straleys I had Gregg make me was a 10 ft bi-wire set for 360. Now, that was a couple moons ago and his prices may have gone up, but still a great value.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's