Can a pitch tell you something about a President?

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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,044
    edited July 2009
    So....start voting for an independent candidate in four years if you think they both have or will "divide" this country. Thats the game of our political system that goes in cycles every four to eight years or so...the country just shifts back and forth between the "lesser of two evils"...
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited July 2009
    kevhed72 wrote: »
    So....start voting for an independent candidate in four years if you think they both have or will "divide" this country. Thats the game of our political system that goes in cycles every four to eight years or so...the country just shifts back and forth between the "lesser of two evils"...

    Ding! It's the idiots who keep thinking the "other side" is "dividing the country" who are really the divisive ones.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited July 2009
    kevhed72 wrote: »

    Also, I think history will show how much the Bush presidency divided this country.

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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    upholding a long standing tradition for the people who enjoy the game of baseball
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  • petrym
    petrym Posts: 1,912
    edited July 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Ding! It's the idiots who keep thinking the "other side" is "dividing the country" who are really the divisive ones.
    I'm for freedom and equality for all people, but anyone or any group that demands special treatment "just because we are ___fill in the blank___," are the people that are demanding/consuming extraordinary amounts of resources and are mucking it up for the entire system.
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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited July 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Ding! It's the idiots who keep thinking the "other side" is "dividing the country" who are really the divisive ones.

    It seems that the last truly viable 3rd party candidate we had was Ross Perot (1992). I had forgotten about Perot until I watched a documentary last weekend called The War Room on the Clinton campaign headed by a much younger James Carville and George Stephanopolis. Though the doc. does not focus on Perot, I had forgotten about the fact that he had built up a fair amount of support, then dropped out, and then re-entered. And I couldn't help but wonder whether his chances would have been improved had he just stuck in the race for the duration. I'm not sure why he followed that path -- what I do remember is that two of my older friends (I was 19 at the time) had worked very hard for the campaign but then were very bitter when he decided to call it quits in the summer, only to come back.

    Anyway, that was a very interesting time in U.S. politics as all of these ideas on big issues were clashing. Additionally, I think having a viable 3rd party candidate helps rather than hurts the democratic process.
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  • POIDOG
    POIDOG Posts: 391
    edited July 2009
    kevhed72 wrote: »
    the country just shifts back and forth between the "lesser of two evils"...

    Not picking on you friend, but this concept is why we get what we deserve,
    the lesser of two evils is still evil :eek: :rolleyes: :p
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited July 2009
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    It seems that the last truly viable 3rd party candidate we had was Ross Perot (1992). I had forgotten about Perot until I watched a documentary last weekend called The War Room on the Clinton campaign headed by a much younger James Carville and George Stephanopolis. Though the doc. does not focus on Perot, I had forgotten about the fact that he had built up a fair amount of support, then dropped out, and then re-entered. And I couldn't help but wonder whether his chances would have been improved had he just stuck in the race for the duration. I'm not sure why he followed that path -- what I do remember is that two of my older friends (I was 19 at the time) had worked very hard for the campaign but then were very bitter when he decided to call it quits in the summer, only to come back.

    Anyway, that was a very interesting time in U.S. politics as all of these ideas on big issues were clashing. Additionally, I think having a viable 3rd party candidate helps rather than hurts the democratic process.

    The reason there is never a "viable" third party candidate is because any politically savvy candidate knows they have to squeeze themselves into one of the two idiotic parties we have set up, and any candidate who settles for a third party nomination just gets ridiculed away by everyone who can't fathom someone without an R or D next to their name.

    It is impressive that Perot managed to pull in 19% of the popular vote in '92, but that's 17 years ago now, and things haven't gotten BETTER.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,044
    edited July 2009
    POIDOG wrote: »
    Not picking on you friend, but this concept is why we get what we deserve,
    the lesser of two evils is still evil :eek: :rolleyes: :p

    Exactly my point...we all have what we believe to be our core set of values.
    The 2-party system preys on these values by telling us what we want to hear (as do many of our sources of news) by attempting to demonize the other side and create wedge issues to divide people.

    In the end, I agree...we get what we deserve. I have taken the view that I really don't mind or care what anyone's political views are, as long as they are factual, informed views. Do a little research on the issues beyond what CNN and FOX tell you.

    I know I'm making generalizations and this is in no way singling anyone on this forum out...just something to think about.
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  • John30_30
    John30_30 Posts: 1,024
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    upholding a long standing tradition for the people who enjoy the game of baseball

    Seeing dignified old Bob Gibson. That man was 100% old school warrior. I'm old enough to remember the last few years of Stan Musial, but the '67 - '68 Cards were something else. Games on AM radio every night, they were like the Gashouse Gang reborn.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited July 2009
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    The russians must have thought he had some slightly used chewing tobacco on his hands.......


    <a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=60359151">Obama Snubbed By Russian Diplomats</a><br/><object width="425px" height="360px" ><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><param name="movie" value="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=60359151,t=1,mt=video"/><embed src="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=60359151,t=1,mt=video&quot; width="425" height="360" allowFullScreen="true" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent"></embed></object>

    I think I know why he got snubbed: They don't respect weakness.
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited July 2009
    obieone wrote: »
    I think I know why he got snubbed: They don't respect weakness.

    i could be wrong, but it looked like he was introducing the man that was shaking everyone's hands to the other guys.
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  • JohnLocke88
    JohnLocke88 Posts: 1,150
    edited July 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Ding! It's the idiots who keep thinking the "other side" is "dividing the country" who are really the divisive ones.

    You're right...but don't you see the irony in that statement?
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited July 2009
    exalted512 wrote: »
    i could be wrong, but it looked like he was introducing the man that was shaking everyone's hands to the other guys.
    -Cody


    It aint just the russians.....
    http://vodpod.com/watch/1713079-woo-obama-snubbed-in-saudi-receiving-line
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited July 2009
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    It aint just the russians.....
    http://vodpod.com/watch/1713079-woo-obama-snubbed-in-saudi-receiving-line

    Still dont think they're not shaking his hand, i think hes introducing them. He's talking to the saudi guy as each person approaches.
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  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited July 2009
    Yep, it appears that the bait was set in this thread and some suckers bit.

    The President throwing the opening pitch for a baseball game has been a tradition that goes back 80 years or so. Whether or not folk like Obama being President, he deserves the overall respect of being our President. Especially, for doing trivial and traditional things like throwing the first pitch in a baseball game....

    Obama was elected President by the Nation via a very fair process. At the end of his term we can kick him out of office ... or sooner if he really f**ks up.

    The OP should be reported.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    Maybe it can. The pitch seemed a little short of home plate, like many of things he's tried to accomplish.

    Cable nonsense aside, we can agree on this one William. Thanks for the laugh.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2009
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    The russians must have thought he had some slightly used chewing tobacco on his hands.......


    <a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=60359151">Obama Snubbed By Russian Diplomats</a><br/><object width="425px" height="360px" ><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><param name="movie" value="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=60359151,t=1,mt=video"/><embed src="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=60359151,t=1,mt=video&quot; width="425" height="360" allowFullScreen="true" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent"></embed></object>

    Politics aside, this actually hurts quite deep. I don't ever want this to happen to a President.
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  • JohnLocke88
    JohnLocke88 Posts: 1,150
    edited July 2009
    Hillbilly61 wrote: »
    Yep, it appears that the bait was set in this thread and some suckers bit.

    The President throwing the opening pitch for a baseball game has been a tradition that goes back 80 years or so. Whether or not folk like Obama being President, he deserves the overall respect of being our President. Especially, for doing trivial and traditional things like throwing the first pitch in a baseball game....

    Obama was elected President by the Nation via a very fair process. At the end of his term we can kick him out of office ... or sooner if he really f**ks up.

    The OP should be reported.

    You need to calm down. If you think this thread is against the rules, then report the OP yourself.
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  • SWFalken
    SWFalken Posts: 136
    edited July 2009
    kevhed72 wrote: »
    I bet its a bit more difficult to throw a baseball with a bulletproof vest on, which I assume any president has on in an open area like a baseball stadium.

    Also, I think history will show how much the Bush presidency divided this country.
    So, what your saying then is that they let President Bush go out and pitch a perfect strike with the catcher behind the plate in a crouch without a vest on? And that somehow a sleeveless vest changed this clown's whole delivery mechanics to the point that he couldn't even toss a 9 inch circumference, 5 ounce ball the whole 60 feet 6 inches to home plate without looking like a total ****? And as far as a divided country goes, you can thank a traitorous and dishonest congress led by Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi along with a large number of mainstream media outlets that are no longer interested in telling the story as it happened, but how they perceive it, or more the point, how they want you to see it.;
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited July 2009
    lol.......unwind your panties SW.....it's possible that you might end up not coming of as a **** if you relax a bit......

    and yes, that was me being helpful
    comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,044
    edited July 2009
    SWFalken wrote: »
    So, what your saying then is that they let President Bush go out and pitch a perfect strike with the catcher behind the plate in a crouch without a vest on? And that somehow a sleeveless vest changed this clown's whole delivery mechanics to the point that he couldn't even toss a 9 inch circumference, 5 ounce ball the whole 60 feet 6 inches to home plate without looking like a total ****? And as far as a divided country goes, you can thank a traitorous and dishonest congress led by Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi along with a large number of mainstream media outlets that are no longer interested in telling the story as it happened, but how they perceive it, or more the point, how they want you to see it.;

    Ummm...just a making an observation that I thought was interesting from a SPORTS TALK RADIO program I was listening to.

    As far as devisiveness goes, your comments are a perfect example of what we are talking about. Please read the whole thread. If we as a country cannot have a civilized discussion about politics, then we are all doomed...
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  • Barefoot
    Barefoot Posts: 149
    edited July 2009
    it's not about "we as a country" -- it's about an online forum via privately owned company that doesn't allow political topics in its discussion forums. Read the rules. Re-read them if necessary. If you still feel the need to talk politics -- then go visit Huffington Post or Newsbusters. Or better yet, write an fn' letter to your congressman.

    Seriously, what is so complicated about this?!?

    (edit: this isn't addressed to either KevHead or SWFalken, just the forum in general).
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  • petrym
    petrym Posts: 1,912
    edited July 2009
    kevhed72 wrote: »
    If we as a country cannot have a civilized discussion about politics, then we are all doomed...

    No such thing anymore... that's why we're doomed. The US needs a leader, not a popular talking pretty boy.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited July 2009
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    It aint just the russians.....
    http://vodpod.com/watch/1713079-woo-obama-snubbed-in-saudi-receiving-line
    Wow.
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  • SWFalken
    SWFalken Posts: 136
    edited July 2009
    brettw22 wrote: »
    lol.......unwind your panties SW.....it's possible that you might end up not coming of as a **** if you relax a bit......

    and yes, that was me being helpful
    Brett, after lurking on this forum for 6 or 7 years, I can't even begin to tell you how little I value your opinion. I don't think that in all of this time I have ever seen you be helpful to anyone.
    "I drank what?" Socrates :eek:
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,952
    edited July 2009
    Relax boys,nothin' gets people fired up like politics and religion. Plenty of other political forums to wage war on.Or do this in a PM.
    Now if you want to start up another babe thread,I am a listening.:)
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