Flea Market Rant

daboyz

Is it just me?

A couple times lately I've PM'd to purchase something and get a reply how to pay from the seller. When I confirm this I'm told it's sold. It may have taken me a few hours to get back to them but it wasn't weeks or anything like that. I'm sorry but the honor needs to get back into the FM. The things to be purchased weren't any big deal but it's not how the FM was set up IMHO and not how it should be treated. Oh,well.

Sorry, that's my bitchfest and everyone can return to their normal lives.

Thanks.

BIZILL

can't you leave a negative sales rating from their reneging on a deal?

Ricardo

I would spell out names so that everyone knows. We don't need people that can't keep their words. If you send someone your payment details, you should not sell the item to anyone else without additional communication. That's my opinion and I'll stick to it.

F1nut

Ricardo wrote: »

I would spell out names so that everyone knows. We don't need people that can't keep their words. If you send someone your payment details, you should not sell the item to anyone else without additional communication. That's my opinion and I'll stick to it.

I agree 100%.

heiney9

daboyz wrote: »

Is it just me?

A couple times lately I've PM'd to purchase something and get a reply how to pay from the seller. When I confirm this I'm told it's sold. It may have taken me a few hours to get back to them but it wasn't weeks or anything like that. I'm sorry but the honor needs to get back into the FM. The things to be purchased weren't any big deal but it's not how the FM was set up IMHO and not how it should be treated. Oh,well.

Sorry, that's my bitchfest and everyone can return to their normal lives.

Thanks.

Dave, the most recent **** has 30 posts and has been here less than a month. Not exactly the most trusting credentials. I understand your frustration and it's not right. Beware of brand spanking new members is all I can advise.

H9

TECHNOKID

heiney9 wrote: »

Dave, the most recent **** has 30 posts and has been here less than a month. Not exactly the most trusting credentials. I understand your frustration and it's not right. Beware of brand spanking new members is all I can advise.

H9

Sure makes a whole lot of sense!

I got similar threathment through email. The seller was asking $$$ and I asked him if he would be willing to review his pricing with valid reasonning and this without naming any number. he came back to me few days ago agreeing that his pricing was too high and offered for $$. Tomorrow was suppose to me audition time since his price was much better.

This evening he came back to me questionning his own offer and I provided him with backing links that his second offer was fair/resonnable. All the wated time to finally get him to admit he had a second call after our arrangements with an offer for his original price. Good for him, but not much of a responsible/reliable seller. Maybe not so good for the actual buyer. I guess it maybe a good thing I lost the deal.

Cheers!
TK

reeltrouble1

Its no longer the same flea market and its never going to be, buyer beware, you guys had better catch on, just because their are a few solid members selling you trust in do not get fooled, I see many now selling who I have no clue on, sure post the names, but there will another along shortly, the world is full of potential crooks who just need a chance to do the wrong thing and this flea market is very fertile ground.

25 posts, no fee, no control, its about getting the most dollars you can now for these fellows. Not much different than e-bay or craiglist or any other web based "for sale" site.

RT1

Conradicles

The thing that kills me is when people break the rules by saying

"Nice speakers, good luck with your sale" and have no intention of buying.

Not a big deal though.

ND13

I say bring back a "DIBS" list.:cool:;)

AudioGenics

clear communications is important.

and references that can be certified.

Face

Conradicles wrote: »

The thing that kills me is when people break the rules by saying

"Nice speakers, good luck with your sale" and have no intention of buying.

Not a big deal though.

What's the harm in that?

TECHNOKID

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

Its no longer the same flea market and its never going to be, buyer beware, you guys had better catch on, just because their are a few solid members selling you trust in do not get fooled, I see many now selling who I have no clue on, sure post the names, but there will another along shortly, the world is full of potential crooks who just need a chance to do the wrong thing and this flea market is very fertile ground.

25 posts, no fee, no control, its about getting the most dollars you can now for these fellows. Not much different than e-bay or craiglist or any other web based "for sale" site.

RT1

I guess its up to the members. Simple common sense, I wouldn't buy eyes closed. If a member is solid, long time poster and has good rating, it is the closest to the safest to buy. I like when you guys chime in and back the seller, it gives some form of securty seriousnees to the seller. Nothing better thsn good credentials. Gee, I wouldn't even buy from someone that has the amount of posts I do unless a long time member backs him or recommends him.

vlam

I personally prefer the membership fee over the 25 post rule for posting in FS section. They used to do that over at AVS and I thought that was a good thing.

ND13

My main issue is when someone post a link to Godknowswhere.com showing the same item for less. If you feel so compelled to **** up someone's ad, then do so via PM. Most of the members, here, are pretty savvy and know if something is priced too high.

Basically, if you don't have any use for the item, then don't chime in on the thread. Pretty simple.

I have no issues with members giving support, reviews and/or references for the seller and their product.


Carry on. Had to get my CP fix. It's hard to do so when working 5.5 to 6 days a week, plus 2.5 hrs of driving daily.

The Flea Market is still the safest place I've found to buy used audio gear or other various items.

TECHNOKID

Face wrote: »

What's the harm in that?

I was thinking along the same line, I would personally feel more confortable buying from the seller if he has back-up from senior member for example. Sometime good luck might be a message that instead of rudely telling the seller his price is too high (which I believe is against the rule??). I like when someones chimes in backing-up the asking price. However, in my situation, distance and $$ exchange, possibly being hit with duties makes deals no so intersting. Still, simply looking at how the dealing process goes here at CP gives me an appropriate idea of the proper ongoing pricing.

Conradicles

ND13 wrote: »

Basically, if you don't have any use for the item, then don't chime in on the thread. Pretty simple.

I have no issues with members giving support, reviews and/or references for the seller and their product.

Face, that is what I meant. He said it a little better.

Again, no big deal because I love the Fore Sale forum here.

AsSiMiLaTeD

Conradicles wrote: »

The thing that kills me is when people break the rules by saying

"Nice speakers, good luck with your sale" and have no intention of buying.

Not a big deal though.

I bet you were a hall monitor in high school weren't you

heiney9

Face wrote: »

What's the harm in that?

That's what I was thinking. It reinforces the item is good and it's a free bump. The same isn;t true for trashing something however. And only in very rare instances does it get out of hand.

But mostly, a short endorsement of the product for sale can only help.

H9

Conradicles

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

I bet you were a hall monitor in high school weren't you

No, I beat up hall monitors.:D

blakeh

Just like Audiogon or eBay, I tend to have more confidence in the sellers who have good pictures, can explain some of the technical details (including how it sounded in their rig), have the original boxes and/or manuals, grade things appropriately, etc. So many times in the FM these days, I see an ad like this:

"Polk LSi9. Good shape. No boxes. $550."

That doesn't inspire any confidence in me at all. I'm not saying that a scammer couldn't have elaborate details and great pics, but by and large, they're not the ones who are ripping people off. Combine that with how long they've been on here and their sales feedback and I feel pretty confident.

I bought Ted's amps (which was a significant purchase for me) without hesitation because of the details he gave in his ad (and his reputation on the forum). Had that been someone new, with no history, and the ad had been three lines long, I would've NEVER bought them.

snow

Keiko wrote: »

Who's Ted? :rolleyes:

RT I think.



REGARDS SNOW

maximillian

Face wrote: »

What's the harm in that?

It's not a BIG issue, but with a busy day in the FM someone's thread can get bumped from the first page simply because of people posting one line comments. It happened to me once (actually my first and only FS item so far). Now I could have bumped it back to the front page, but it had been less than a day and I didn't want to bump too often - which is also rude.

Conradicles

One more rant...SOMEBODY MARK ALL OF THAT CRAP "SOLD" (Patrick)

Tons of threads are sold and still say For Sale. That kills me.

blakeh

Yep, Ted = reeltrouble1

reeltrouble1

blakeh wrote: »

Yep, Ted = reeltrouble1

damm Blake, I clicked on your link and you got the disease bad, very nice looking rig, those BAT mono-blocks look awesome in the rig on those stands, I still miss them and yes whether ss or tube pre if it a BAT they all play nice together as the impedance ratings are matched by BAT to ensure the sound.

Keiko--wtf??? you been eyeing too many babes, I can absolutely assure you if I was up your azz using your ears as pistol grips you would know exactly who it was............:eek:

They call me Big Daddy
They call me Big Poppa
They call me RT1
But they do call me
cuz I'm having so much fun

Now I see some are getting the idea with the FM, as far as the noob suspect ads, if I see something I want, its got to be delivered before I pay, if they don't want to, then I just go away. The business practice of paying before delivery is based upon the model of an established business like Polk who has an interest in a return customer, not some guy on the internet. Sometimes I do deals on the Gon where I pay 1/2 up front and half on delivery, sometimes on verifiable shipment of the item. I am glad to see though that most here are protecting themselves.

RT1

ahorvitz

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

Now I see some are getting the idea with the FM, as far as the noob suspect ads, if I see something I want, its got to be delivered before I pay, if they don't want to, then I just go away. The business practice of paying before delivery is based upon the model of an established business like Polk who has an interest in a return customer, not some guy on the internet. Sometimes I do deals on the Gon where I pay 1/2 up front and half on delivery, sometimes on verifiable shipment of the item. I am glad to see though that most here are protecting themselves.

RT1

You bought a sub from me a while back (I didn't pack it well. It survived, but I let the peanuts crawl into the box - dumb move, but glad it all worked out OK). You asked that I ship it and you'd pay on delivery. At the time, I didn't love the idea. It was my first FM deal here. I accepted the terms because they were offered by a long-time, respected member. Having hung around here for a while now (mostly lurking), you might be more willing to pay up front. Either way, it's up to both parties to protect their interests and deal accordingly.

As a buyer here, I've only dealt with folks with long track records. As such, I've been willing to pay up front. Even then, sadly, I had a mess on my hands when dealing with the now long departed Francis27. In the end, it all worked out; mostly headaches, no losses. Buying from a noob, I'd ask the same as RT1 asked of me.

I respect the rights of those who want to sell here with their 26th post, as my rights to not deal with them or negotiate the terms are respected.

heiney9

Ted, our next RAS meet will most likely be at Blake's new house. If ever you wanted to make an apperance that would be the time. Revisiting some old gear, etc. Not sure on the date's or anything but it would be nice to see you again. I'm primed for the next PF at BDT's.

H9

blakeh

Thanks for the kind words, Ted. It's been a long road!

P.S. Tubes rule!

dkmuch

Conradicles wrote: »

One more rant...SOMEBODY MARK ALL OF THAT CRAP "SOLD" (Patrick)

Tons of threads are sold and still say For Sale. That kills me.

And while there at, please hit craigslist, too. They never deleted sold postings either.

reeltrouble1

heiney9 wrote: »

Ted, our next RAS meet will most likely be at Blake's new house. If ever you wanted to make an apperance that would be the time. Revisiting some old gear, etc. Not sure on the date's or anything but it would be nice to see you again. I'm primed for the next PF at BDT's.

Is Doug going to be there??? He was really cute.;), if not Carl will do, man I really would like to get there being from Chicago, might seal the deal if you had an all adcom rig:D.


Ahor,

yes, exactly, its not just post counts, its time as well, now if someone comes back after years and years just to sell something, well, not sure about that, but take your case, yea, of course having already purchased from you I can vouch you delivered the goods, so if you have 5-10 members vouching for a member, well, speaks for itself, however, we have had those rather cases where somebody goes bad, usually, when you look back you can see the clues as to why they ripped someone. I know GG got hosed on a record deal and so did I by the panderer DiscoMike, but the membership took care of me on that one in a very large way.

RT1

Tony M

Pictures have always persuaded me and others that I've talked to over the years since Ebay started. Also spelling and then communication!;)