New System Arrangement Pics/Hi Def!

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,647
edited June 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
My GF's camera is so much better than mine, WOW!

I was worried having the rack so close to the left speaker it would effect the sound but I can't hear any difference...

I like it this way, makes it look a little more open instead of so cluttered...
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,418
    edited June 2009
    nice looking setup!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    Thanks :)

    Was excited to move some things around and clean it up...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited June 2009
    Looks very nice man. Simply an awesome setup.

    Do the Transformers add to the soundstage much?:p
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2009
    I think that I see the mono's peeking out from behind a speaker. Nice setup Trey. Have fun.
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited June 2009
    Sweet gear. How are those subs.
    engtaz

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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited June 2009
    I think you need a bigger room there Trey.
    Michael ;)
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,081
    edited June 2009
    Very nice gear. Sweet!
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited June 2009
    Nice Set-up!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
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  • MrGlobe
    MrGlobe Posts: 401
    edited June 2009
    Awesome looking system!

    But wow I thought I had a cluttered set up...

    you need an entertainment center like DarqueKnight has haha
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    Do the Transformers add to the soundstage much?:p
    Yes, they aid in diffusion. :D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2009
    Very nice Trey!!!!
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited June 2009
    engtaz wrote: »
    Sweet gear. How are those subs.

    Whats your cross-over point with the dual subs?
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited June 2009
    Face wrote: »
    Yes, they aid in diffusion. :D

    I see...I just might have to perform the Transformer mod myself.;)
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Whats your cross-over point with the dual subs?

    I'm curious about that myself.

    To further the question, how do you have the subs connected? Do you have them running off of a second pair of pre-amp outs from your pre-amp, or do you have them connected over speaker level?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    Double post - see below

    Thanks for all the comments!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    I have two sets of pre outs ---

    I run the subs at 40-45 hz with about 11 oclock volume..

    Perfect blend, you couldnt identify where they were if you wanted to! :)

    Symphonic Line CDP is here!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited June 2009
    That's what I figured. Having the same line of SEAS drivers in the subs as in the towers probably helps a lot with the blending as well I'm sure.

    Have you ever gotten a chance to compare the Super Towers to the Linbrook Signature Towers? Some SDA's are next on the list, but after that, some Tyler's may very well be my next pair of speakers. I was wondering how they stack up against one another.

    It seems to me that when running stereo subs, like you are, the Super Towers may almost be the better choice, due to having more midrange drivers. Any thoughts?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    Well the 7u I had before was very similar to the Signature Towers...

    Now the pair of D2's I had pretty are the replacements for the signature towers.

    I am against having bass drivers in your main speakers. You will always get better bass you can tune in better with seperate modules...

    The Super Towers have far greater midrange clarity than any speaker Ive heard.

    As far as the SDA goes... I'm not a fan --- I have heard several pairs in several setups, from SRT, to 1.2TL, to SRS, to 1c, etc, and have walked away in minutes to something else.

    The resolution of these newer designs are so superior in my opinion. It is hard for me to get into those old drivers! The Excel woofer is so amazing in everyway...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited June 2009
    Interesting point on the bass drivers. I've heard a lot of conflicting opinions on that, but I can definitely see your point. The Sig's would be way out of my price range anyway, seeing as they cost nearly twice as much as the Super Towers.

    As far as the SDA's go, this will be my first SDA experience. The Super Towers are looking damn good, but 1500 is waaay out of my price range at the moment unfortunately. Some SDA2A's are going to be mine for $200, which is quite a bit more within my budget currently. Other aspects of my rig need attention before I get speakers of that caliber in any case.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    Definitely man, SDAs are something to experience.

    The staging of the SDAs are one of a kind, very wide and spacious. I tend to find it a bit unnatural at times - over expanded...

    My biggest issue with that series is just clarity. The Seas Milenium/Revelator, even the Ring Radiator from the LSi is a far superior tweeter than the tweeter used in the SDA series, old and the new RDO replacements... all IMO of course. The technologies are so different and have come such a long way.

    The midwoofers are a whole nother story... something to be seen and heard -- those midbasses are twenty years old and that technology has come even farther!

    Alot of people find the SDAs musical because of this lower resolution, you will be able to listen longer and "enjoy" it more...

    I work in a music store though, instruments are SHARP, they have imperfections, you should be able to hear that --

    But definitely, I would say the least ideal place for your bass drivers are where your mains are at... lol and if they are attached to your mains, you can't really change that. Now I do feel you should have the bass cabinets close enough to the mains to couple them together. But I dunno, hard to explain. Nothing beats having that control to turn it up or down, eq is seperately, etc etc
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited June 2009
    Exactly. After all that I've heard about SDA's here, I've gotta try a pair. I need to spend some time with some and find out whether I want to keep going down the SDA path, or try something different. At this point, I'm going to guess I'll want to move onto something different though. It all remains to be seen of course.

    I'm a musician myself, and favor detail and accuracy over anything else. As you said, these aren't really the strengths of the SDA's, at least from everything I've heard.

    Those are some very good points. If your bass drivers are attached to the rest of your drivers, you don't really have the option of playing around with placement, while leaving the rest of your drivers in the sweet spot. I've wondered if the two piece Linbrook Sig's(http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1249656407&/Tyler-Acoustics-Linbrook-sig-s) would be better than the Sig towers, for that very purpose. But, with that system, you're still losing two midrange drivers.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2009
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    The resolution of these newer designs are so superior in my opinion. It is hard for me to get into those old drivers! The Excel woofer is so amazing in everyway...
    I couldn't agree more. :D I've never heard such clean bass out of a ported enclosure.
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    The staging of the SDAs are one of a kind, very wide and spacious. I tend to find it a bit unnatural at times - over expanded...

    My biggest issue with that series is just clarity. The Seas Milenium/Revelator, even the Ring Radiator from the LSi is a far superior tweeter than the tweeter used in the SDA series, old and the new RDO replacements... all IMO of course. The technologies are so different and have come such a long way.
    I agree, SEAS mag and aluminum drivers have much better resolution than the drivers used in SDA's. The RD0-194 and 198 aren't bad, but there are definitely better available. In the next few months, I plan on making a pair of SDA's 2B style using Seas aluminum cones. I haven't decided on the tweeter yet, but am leaning towards Vifa or ScanSpeak.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    Yeah...

    As you mentioned, the Super Towers are so cheap now... they are a hard deal to pass up....

    At 1,500 bucks I almost feel like buying some more pairs to use as surrounds. That is just a silly price.

    I think you would be better off getting the Supers and making an Epik sub or get Ty to build you the matching subs...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    I tell ya what, that Scanspeak Revelator is one of the better tweets Ive heard. I could easily live with it over the Milenium tweeter. hahaha

    SDAs with new, top end drivers, might catch my eye.

    But how do you overcome that over-expanded instrument thing? If you can do that, Im sold! ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited June 2009
    Face wrote: »
    In the next few months, I plan on making a pair of SDA's 2B style using Seas aluminum cones. I haven't decided on the tweeter yet, but am leaning towards Vifa or ScanSpeak.

    That's a pretty cool idea. I'm looking forward to hearing how it turns out for you.
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Yeah...

    As you mentioned, the Super Towers are so cheap now... they are a hard deal to pass up....

    At 1,500 bucks I almost feel like buying some more pairs to use as surrounds. That is just a silly price.

    I think you would be better off getting the Supers and making an Epik sub or get Ty to build you the matching subs...

    They really do seem to be a great deal for the 1500ish they tend to go for.

    If I go that route, I would definitely be looking into stereo subs once my bank account recovered a little bit. I'd most likely have Ty build me some subs like yours, so I could have the voice matched drivers, and matching cabinets.

    If you don't mind my asking, how much did those subs set you back?

    One minor concern...how revealing are the ST's in regards to less than stellar recordings? Obviously the other components in the chain have a hand in that as well, but it is a concern none the less. I listen to a lot of live Grateful Dead, which typically isn't exactly the epitome of recording excellence. A lot of the older Bob Dylan I listen to isn't exactly the highest quality either.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    He did the subs for 1650 shipped + actual cost of the amps from Parts Express which were 400 a pair the time...

    Thats with the new style enclosure as well... - if you were to go with the old style, it would be a bit cheaper.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    In regards to your edit ---

    With the high resolution drivers, bad source material obviously doesnt sound the greatest - but I actually listen to alot of badly recorded music and can easily enjoy it.

    I like to alot of rock, Disturbed, Korn, insert badly recorded CD here, and I can thoroughly enjoy it.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited June 2009
    That's not too bad, considering the woofers themselves are almost $350 bucks a piece.
    In regards to your edit ---

    With the high resolution drivers, bad source material obviously doesnt sound the greatest - but I actually listen to alot of badly recorded music and can easily enjoy it.

    I like to alot of rock, Disturbed, Korn, insert badly recorded CD here, and I can thoroughly enjoy it.

    Good to know.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited June 2009
    The trick to good speakers is good electronics...

    Once you get the electronics and cabling down -- you will actually make those bad recordings sound a little better believe it or not. But only to a certain degree.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • polkie4life
    polkie4life Posts: 231
    edited June 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    Do the Transformers add to the soundstage much?:p

    You can joke dude. From what i've heard there's more to them than meets the eye. ;)

    Nice setup btw
    In terms of audio, i truly feel sorry for the visually impaired. How can they know what they like if they cant read google?


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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited June 2009
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    The trick to good speakers is good electronics...

    Once you get the electronics and cabling down -- you will actually make those bad recordings sound a little better believe it or not. But only to a certain degree.

    Well said!
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