JonBilt Cables

danz1906

blueboxer wrote: »

I might have to look into the JonBilt cables for my L/C/R. I have some old Monster Z1 wires with their bananna ends, but it's about 8 years old. I purchased some Monster XPHP for my in-ceiling setup, but wasn't sure if that wire would be adequate for the Paradigm Studio 100 and CC690. I've had others recommend Signal, Liberty, and Audioquest, but the monster at cost is hard to pass up. The JonBuilt seem very reasonable.

For the price you will be impressed, I would say get bi-wire for your
fronts(LCR).The Paradigm studio 100s sound their best when bi-wired.

blueboxer

danz1906 wrote: »

For the price you will be impressed, I would say get bi-wire for your
fronts(LCR).The Paradigm studio 100s sound their best when bi-wired.

Would you mind shooting me over a PM with the specific wire recommendation that I could forward to Jon? I know that is asking a favor from a stranger, but I haven't gone all out on a HT setup since my Boston Acoustic VR powered towers back in the days and have really lost touch with what is available and recommended.

-Sonny

danz1906

blueboxer wrote: »

Would you mind shooting me over a PM with the specific wire recommendation that I could forward to Jon? I know that is asking a favor from a stranger, but I haven't gone all out on a HT setup since my Boston Acoustic VR powered towers back in the days and have really lost touch with what is available and recommended.

-Sonny

Sonny,
No problem-pm sent

JohnLocke88

sk1939 wrote: »

I happen to notice Ben, that you have a website on which you sell custom cables, so perhaps you have a personal stake in the market.

This children, is known as the ad hominem fallacy. Obviously an amateur logician.

potee

sk1939 wrote: »

Listening comparisons? Yes, I have, double blind in fact. The difference between 10 gauge wire and anything of equivalent size from Audioquest or Kimber Kable, it's the gauge that matters, I heard no difference between Kimber Monocle X's and 10 ga. ground wire for example, on my Quads, and measured very little difference using a multi meter and ocilliscope. The difference to be had is mostly from the difference of gauge, if you go from 16 ga. wire to 12 ga. or 14 ga. to 10 ga. there will be a vast improvement. Physics dictates that copper wire holds the same properties, regardless of cost. The following website is an article written by the guy who designed speakers for McIntosh and Sonotone.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

I don't know how many of you read the article in the above link I did and it was pretty in depth. I understand that some don't agree with him or the article, But why make fun of him or what he believes just because you feel he's wrong. I on the other hand don't know who's right, but damm my stuff sounds great from 14 g monoprice wires I guess i'm still just rookie. Anyway yo'll enjoy your stuff I do mine and most of it is because of what I learned on this forum thanks

potee

danz1906

JonBilt has a power cord coming out soon.
Im picking up my power cord next weekend:D

dragon1952

potee wrote: »

I don't know how many of you read the article in the above link I did and it was pretty in depth. I understand that some don't agree with him or the article, But why make fun of him or what he believes just because you feel he's wrong. I on the other hand don't know who's right, but damn my stuff sounds great from 14 g monoprice wires I guess i'm still just rookie. Anyway yo'll enjoy your stuff I do mine and most of it is because of what I learned on this forum thanks

potee

Not to start another senseless argument, but, seriously...that article is one of the first ones newbies find when they start to research cables. Not only is it as old as the hills, it has some ridiculous comparisons and assertions as to why 'boutique' cable is a ripoff. A misleading Monster cable display? Say it ain't so! Some Chinese wire with large insulation and tiny wire inside? Give me a break. This is a pretty seasoned group here, as far as this hobby goes, and for someone to present that article out of their sleeve is pretty much of an insult to one's intelligence. How is everyone supposed to react? Oh my gosh, gee thanks we didn't realize that? Not only have most read it (and hundreds more like it), they've also done their own experimentation and come to their own conclusions. It's common sense that more cost doesn't necessarily mean more performance, and that the law of diminishing returns heavily comes into play. But there are plenty of reasons to spend more for cable other than the supposed sonic benefits. Aesthetics, build quality, shielding, connector type and quality, etc. Hobbyists should buy what they can afford, or what they are comfortable spending, and not knock others for their choices (and vice versa). And I'm sure those Monoprice are a decent choice over what the article implies, that 16-18AWG lamp cord, of dubious copper purity, are as good as anything for most runs.

danz1906

dragon1952 wrote: »

Not to start another senseless argument, but, seriously...that article is one of the first ones newbies find when they start to research cables. Not only is it as old as the hills, it has some ridiculous comparisons and assertions as to why 'boutique' cable is a ripoff. A misleading Monster cable display? Say it ain't so! Some Chinese wire with large insulation and tiny wire inside? Give me a break. This is a pretty seasoned group here, as far as this hobby goes, and for someone to present that article out of their sleeve is pretty much of an insult to one's intelligence. How is everyone supposed to react? Oh my gosh, gee thanks we didn't realize that? Not only have most read it (and hundreds more like it), they've also done their own experimentation and come to their own conclusions. It's common sense that more cost doesn't necessarily mean more performance, and that the law of diminishing returns heavily comes into play. But there are plenty of reasons to spend more for cable other than the supposed sonic benefits. Aesthetics, build quality, shielding, connector type and quality, etc. Hobbyists should buy what they can afford, or what they are comfortable spending, and not knock others for their choices (and vice versa). And I'm sure those Monoprice are a decent choice over what the article implies, that 16-18AWG lamp cord, of dubious copper purity, are as good as anything for most runs.

I agree 100%

hearingimpared

dragon1952 wrote: »

Not to start another senseless argument, but, seriously...that article is one of the first ones newbies find when they start to research cables. Not only is it as old as the hills, it has some ridiculous comparisons and assertions as to why 'boutique' cable is a ripoff. A misleading Monster cable display? Say it ain't so! Some Chinese wire with large insulation and tiny wire inside? Give me a break. This is a pretty seasoned group here, as far as this hobby goes, and for someone to present that article out of their sleeve is pretty much of an insult to one's intelligence. How is everyone supposed to react? Oh my gosh, gee thanks we didn't realize that? Not only have most read it (and hundreds more like it), they've also done their own experimentation and come to their own conclusions. It's common sense that more cost doesn't necessarily mean more performance, and that the law of diminishing returns heavily comes into play. But there are plenty of reasons to spend more for cable other than the supposed sonic benefits. Aesthetics, build quality, shielding, connector type and quality, etc. Hobbyists should buy what they can afford, or what they are comfortable spending, and not knock others for their choices (and vice versa). And I'm sure those Monoprice are a decent choice over what the article implies, that 16-18AWG lamp cord, of dubious copper purity, are as good as anything for most runs.

Very well put!

danz1906

The power cord will have Wattgate 320i and Wattgate 5266 clear connectors:)

potee

dragon1952 wrote: »

Not to start another senseless argument, but, seriously...that article is one of the first ones newbies find when they start to research cables. Not only is it as old as the hills, it has some ridiculous comparisons and assertions as to why 'boutique' cable is a ripoff. A misleading Monster cable display? Say it ain't so! Some Chinese wire with large insulation and tiny wire inside? Give me a break. This is a pretty seasoned group here, as far as this hobby goes, and for someone to present that article out of their sleeve is pretty much of an insult to one's intelligence. How is everyone supposed to react? Oh my gosh, gee thanks we didn't realize that? Not only have most read it (and hundreds more like it), they've also done their own experimentation and come to their own conclusions. It's common sense that more cost doesn't necessarily mean more performance, and that the law of diminishing returns heavily comes into play. But there are plenty of reasons to spend more for cable other than the supposed sonic benefits. Aesthetics, build quality, shielding, connector type and quality, etc. Hobbyists should buy what they can afford, or what they are comfortable spending, and not knock others for their choices (and vice versa). And I'm sure those Monoprice are a decent choice over what the article implies, that 16-18AWG lamp cord, of dubious copper purity, are as good as anything for most runs.

And that is why I said I don't know who is right. I have not had the chance as yet to try other cables, But I know I will in the near future now that I have the my setup just about finished

potee

george daniel

Indar of Jonbilt has sent me a pricelist and asked me to post some pricing.The reference series comes with WBT connectors.I'll post what I have

Ultra Wires

Feet

3----98.00

6----112.00

9----130.00

12----140.00

15---150.00

Sphinx
Feet
3---140.00

6---180.00

9---210.00

12---240.00

15--265.00

He has asked that if you have questions,or pricing questions for lengths not listed to please call or e-mail

874-714-3733 [email]Sales@JonBilt@comcast.net[/email]

no afil on my behalf--I'm just the messenger

potee

some more of my cable ignorance. What are Sphink feet?

potee

george daniel

the length of the cable,,I'll update this when I get home from work,why don't you buy a set and let us know how they are.

danz1906

potee wrote: »

some more of my cable ignorance. What are Sphink feet?

potee

Sphink is the name of the cables.

danz1906

george daniel wrote: »

the length of the cable,,I'll update this when I get home from work,why don't you buy a set and let us know how they are.

The speaker cables are GREAT, I will have a report on the power cord by
this weekend;)

dragon1952

potee wrote: »

some more of my cable ignorance. What are Sphink feet?

potee

See picture....:D

danz1906

dragon1952 wrote: »

See picture....:D

Thats a good-1

danz1906

george daniel wrote: »

Indar of Jonbilt has sent me a pricelist and asked me to post some pricing.The reference series comes with WBT connectors.I'll post what I have

Ultra Wires

Feet

3----98.00

6----112.00

9----130.00

12----140.00

15---150.00

Sphinx
Feet
3---140.00

6---180.00

9---210.00

12---240.00

15--265.00

He has asked that if you have questions,or pricing questions for lengths not listed to please call or e-mail

874-714-3733 [email]Sales@JonBilt@comcast.net[/email]

no afil on my behalf--I'm just the messenger

Great prices!!!!!!!

bklynNupe

dragon1952 wrote: »

Not to start another senseless argument, but, seriously...that article is one of the first ones newbies find when they start to research cables. Not only is it as old as the hills, it has some ridiculous comparisons and assertions as to why 'boutique' cable is a ripoff. A misleading Monster cable display? Say it ain't so! Some Chinese wire with large insulation and tiny wire inside? Give me a break. This is a pretty seasoned group here, as far as this hobby goes, and for someone to present that article out of their sleeve is pretty much of an insult to one's intelligence. How is everyone supposed to react? Oh my gosh, gee thanks we didn't realize that? Not only have most read it (and hundreds more like it), they've also done their own experimentation and come to their own conclusions. It's common sense that more cost doesn't necessarily mean more performance, and that the law of diminishing returns heavily comes into play. But there are plenty of reasons to spend more for cable other than the supposed sonic benefits. Aesthetics, build quality, shielding, connector type and quality, etc. Hobbyists should buy what they can afford, or what they are comfortable spending, and not knock others for their choices (and vice versa). And I'm sure those Monoprice are a decent choice over what the article implies, that 16-18AWG lamp cord, of dubious copper purity, are as good as anything for most runs.

I am not ashamed to say that I was one who read that article and found the arguments very compelling.
The problem is that many Hi-Fi shops are terrible marketers.
So I must rely on the insight of others, common sense and good old fashioned trial and error. My previous wires have been the standard radio shack variety, Monster ala Circuit City then Oxygen free wire from Parts Express.

A few days ago at the advice of Ben and other good reviews, I ordered what seems to be some entry level but very respectable - Audioquest Type 4. I don't think I've every previously paid over 40 bucks for speaker wire although I've read a lot of breath-taking descriptions from manufacturers and compensated publications. The bottom line is just like going from HTIB to separates, I will learn through other user feedback and my own personal observations.
I'm looking forward my Audioquest delivery and will share my findings with anyone looking for a little insight.

danz1906

bklynNupe wrote: »

I am not ashamed to say that I was one who read that article and found the arguments very compelling.
The problem is that many Hi-Fi shops are terrible marketers.
So I must rely on the insight of others, common sense and good old fashioned trial and error. My previous wires have been the standard radio shack variety, Monster ala Circuit City then Oxygen free wire from Parts Express.

A few days ago at the advice of Ben and other good reviews, I ordered what seems to be some entry level but very respectable - Audioquest Type 4. I don't think I've every previously paid over 40 bucks for speaker wire although I've read a lot of breath-taking descriptions from manufacturers and compensated publications. The bottom line is just like going from HTIB to separates, I will learn through other user feedback and my own personal observations.
I'm looking forward my Audioquest delivery and will share my findings with anyone looking for a little insight.

Well Said,look forward to your finding on the AQ type4.

potee

dragon1952 wrote: »

See picture....:D

Well at least I won't need my passport to get a set. Hope they fit in my Bronco. Just waiting on my new Jack hammer.

potee.

danz1906

New Power cord in the House!

danz1906

danz1906 wrote: »

New Power cord in the House!

The power cord has good dynamics and pace,and the bass
is tight.

blueboxer

Dan,

Was the pricing per pair or per cable at those quoted lengths? Sorry, I have been working long shifts six days a week the last month and although you might have posted that, I didn't see it. lol

danz1906

blueboxer wrote: »

Dan,

Was the pricing per pair or per cable at those quoted lengths? Sorry, I have been working long shifts six days a week the last month and although you might have posted that, I didn't see it. lol

Hello,

The prices are per pair.
Very good cables at a great price:D

danz1906

danz1906 wrote: »

Hello,

The prices are per pair.
Very good cables at a great price:D

After a couple days break-in the power cord is pretty-good.
Nice tight bass with a warm mid-range:)

NotaSuv

Dan

Did you buy these cables or get the special test em price

look like they nice cables

danz1906

NotaSuv wrote: »

Dan

Did you buy these cables or get the special test em price

look like they nice cables

I bought the Speaker cables and the Power cord.Both perform way
beyond thier price.It all started when I needed a bi-wire cable for my center
channel and I didnt want to spend alot on my center,but when I saw how
nice the cable was,and they made my center sound much better too!

So I decided to get all JonBilt cables across the Front,and I must say
that the speaker cables are Very Good:D

NotaSuv

danz1906 wrote: »

I bought the Speaker cables and the Power cord.Both perform way
beyond thier price.It all started when I needed a bi-wire cable for my center
channel and I didnt want to spend alot on my center,but when I saw how
nice the cable was,and they made my center sound much better too!

So I decided to get all JonBilt cables across the Front,and I must say
that the speaker cables are Very Good:D

easy for one to see that you are REALLY are likin your new cables all around