Interesting survey results...Polk near the top

Legion5

The list seems to parallel some stories I've heard which involve the phrase "used to be good". What do you know, it's dead on.

TECHNOKID

Hummm, you got me working a little here but here what I found to back-up my statement:

When did Fender amps have CV drivers in them? I've never heard of that.

Almost all Fender amps in their entire history that I know of have used Celestion drivers, along with Gatorbacks in quite a few of their vintage amps. A lot of them also used Jensen drivers, and many of them also used the in house Fender designed drivers. I've never heard of CV's in Fender amps...I may be wrong on that though.

Sure you're not thinking of Celestion Vintage 30's? That was a very widely used driver (and still is to this day) in guitar amps.

http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/326730/0/#msg_326730

A.i.: Cerwin Vega has worked with well known music companies like Fender and Universal Studios, what did you produce for / with them?

C.V.: In the 1960’s, Cerwin-Vega became a principal supplier of loudspeakers and system designs for musical instrument amplifier manufacturers, including Fender, Acoustic, Sunn and Vox.

In 1974 the motion picture “Earthquake” premièred with a dramatic new innovation in motion picture sound known as “Sensurround” For the first time audio was an integrated part of the movie experience through special effects. The concept required large powerful bass cabinets which would provide very low frequencies in order to shake the movie theater, thus simulating a real earthquake. For this purpose the “E” bass horns and woofers were developed.

“Sensurround” technology and Cerwin-Vega were honored with an Academy Award for Special Technical Achievement in 1974.

http://www.britishhiphop.co.uk/features/interviews/mike_newman_and_tony_rodriguez_of_cerwin_vega.html

http://www.cerwinvega.com/history.php

I'll stop there, as there seems to be way too many pages/links... You are correct, Celestion was big time with Fender in those days.

I think you are right about their HT gear, I stayed away from that and trusted Polk instead (no regret what so ever).

Cheers!

VR3

We actually just picked up Cerwin Vega in the store I work at. GREAT Pro Audio gear.

I have little experience with their Home gear. But from what I've heard, I would pass.

cnh

I'm going to take a look at those links up there Techno...but I always thought that at least 80s and before pro and cinema was really JBL as the major market player. Especially in cinema! Who has more pro-experience than them? Like them or not.

cnh

comfortablycurt

Interesting...

It sounds like the only reason Fender used CV drivers for the very brief time that they did, was because they had a falling out with JBL, and weren't able to use the JBL drivers for a short time. Sounds like CV was just there to fill the gap temporarily. From what I've gathered, they were also primarily used in Fender's bass amps, with very few guitar amps utilizing the CV drivers.

I'll remember that if I'm ever looking for a vintage Fender guitar. I'll be sure to get one those doesn't have the CV drivers.

As far as the Sensurround thing...it sounds like those were just subwoofers. Go figure...bass is the only thing that CV's are good at producing. Even then, it's not quality bass, there's just a lot of it.

To the best of my knowledge, CV was never a mainstay in movie theaters. The majority of movie theaters out there over time have used either JBL, Altec or Klipsch speakers.

My statement still stands. CV is crap. Whether it be home audio, car audio, or pro audio...CV is crap in my experience. The only CV product I'd consider would be their pro audio subwoofers, and even then I'd likely go with something else.


Also, Celestion is still big time with Fender(and many other amp manufacturers) these days, not just back then. The Celestion Vintage 30's are still one of the most widely used drivers in guitar amps/cabinets.

TECHNOKID

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

We actually just picked up Cerwin Vega in the store I work at. GREAT Pro Audio gear.

I have little experience with their Home gear. But from what I've heard, I would pass.

+1... As far as I am concerned it isn't the same company despite the fact the name remain. It would be nice if you could start a post with your evaluation of their pro gear. I was considering it as the price is more friendly than many (IE: QSC, Turbo Sound etc...).

but I always thought that at least 80s and before pro and cinema was really JBL as the major market player. Especially in cinema! Who has more pro-experience than them? Like them or not.

cnh, I did consider JBL also as I always like them in the pro gear but it didn't seem appealing in HT. I would have probably bought if only considering music but still I am happy I choose Polk over anything else. Even in the pro area, they seem to have lost some fedders. Not necessarily the BBB. However, I've seen some great towers about a month ago over a friends place, and I am sure he paid the big box for those monsters. I think they too are going through some changes, restructuring.

cnh

Techno.

I know some members will never speak to me again but I do own a cerca late 80s pair of JBL 3 way montiors....still. And I like them just fine.

cnh

comfortablycurt

cnh wrote: »

Techno.

I know some members will never speak to me again but I do own a cerca late 80s pair of JBL 3 way montiors....still. And I like them just fine.

cnh

I'll still talk to you.;)

I like JBL's quite a bit myself. They make some quality equipment.

Eventually I'm going to put together my own PA system for when I'm playing gigs, and I'm definitely going to be using JBL speakers in it. My own personal PA system is still quite a few years down the road though.

TECHNOKID

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I'll still talk to you.;)

I like JBL's quite a bit myself. They make some quality equipment.

Eventually I'm going to put together my own PA system for when I'm playing gigs, and I'm definitely going to be using JBL speakers in it. My own personal PA system is still quite a few years down the road though.

That is in my plan too. I'd like to have my own and stop borrowing from the office for our family Xmas parties and other gatherings.

These days, QSCs are also worth considering. Last Xmas, I tested the 82s as they are smaller and therefore much lighter to carry around. It was a deception as the bass was lacking and I needed to adjust with the mixer EQ. I can't recall the model number (1022i???) but our sister company bought 6 pairs of the larger QSCs and it is amasing the warmth of the bass coming out of them. I eas invited to a gala (on behalf of the company). Our Turbo Sound and QSCs where part of the set-up and believe it or not the QSCs were competing without any problems with the much more expensive Turbo Sound. Matter of fact, a proffessional DJ was on site and was provided one of the QSCs as monitor and was amasingly surprised. I admitted being a JBL devoted fan but admitted the QSCs were really in the game.

As I age, I would prefer to acquire smaller speakers for the road usagee but yet I haven't found pro PA speakers that are suitable for music.

cnh, you don't have to worry about people's opinion on your vintage JBL, simply be proud and enjoy them :cool: Any pics?

Could they possibly be the one??

http://lespac.tqs.ca/detail/Electronique/audio/tout/laval/laval-chomedey/8841761/haut-parleur-jbl-4315-studio-monitor.html

Cheers

cnh

No techno

Those are too old....this link to the PDF are mine the 4410A with the pure titanium dome tweeters.

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/4410.pdf

cnh

TECHNOKID

cnh wrote: »

No techno

Those are too old....this link to the PDF are mine the 4410A with the pure titanium dome tweeters.

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/4410.pdf

cnh

Hard to really see with that picture but looks a tad like the Mackie monitors I've seen about a month ago. Nice :cool:

cnh

Here's pics of the whole series a bit more viewable...techno....mine are the 4410A

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/recording/4400.pdf

cnh

TECHNOKID

cnh wrote: »

Here's pics of the whole series a bit more viewable...techno....mine are the 4410A

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/recording/4400.pdf

cnh

Nice, decent size driver for a monitor. What's their duty in your system?

cnh

I sometimes, use them as a semi-near field monitor for stereo sound with an old Kenwood 130W/channel stereo integrated amp. Used to have a turntable but not anymore, so mostly CDs these days. They can belt out some BASS for sure....and the highs are quite fine, no harshness from the metal tweeter--a bit more detail than Polk M and Rti tweeters IMO. Voices are also very clear and lifelike. I really like them for what I paid about 20 years ago! 400/pair (closeout). Probably 1000 a pair MSRP then.

cnh