Interesting survey results...Polk near the top
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How'd you run across an article from January 1989?
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I love that opening....he died! What did HE HAVE? Meaning what equipment did he have; was the very first question asked
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My question is how did Infinity get ahead of Polk, their recent entries have not been equal to their past reputation?
Ok, bobman cleared that up...yeah Infinity in the 80s..that's a different story!
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Hmmm....20 years ago. I wonder how that list would look today."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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Funny, I didn't notice any Carver gear on that list at all. 1989 should have been prime Carver time. Either nobody who reads that magazine admits to owning Carver gear or there's a heavy-duty bias there.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Funny, I didn't notice any Carver gear on that list at all. 1989 should have been prime Carver time. Either nobody who reads that magazine admits to owning Carver gear or there's a heavy-duty bias there.
It's Stereophile. Carver or Sunfire didn't get any attention from Stereophile.
And you would expect subscribers to follow suite."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
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Funny, I didn't notice any Carver gear on that list at all. 1989 should have been prime Carver time. Either nobody who reads that magazine admits to owning Carver gear or there's a heavy-duty bias there.
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Was Carver making speakers in the early to mid 80s?
Yeah, Carver Amazings came out like 84 or 85 I think it was? I think the Platinums hit in 86-87? I could be wrong though. I'm sure someone will correct me.
But on the same note, more than a few of those listed companies made electronics also.
And Stereophile knew about Carver because the Bob Carver Challenge thing happened in 1985. That article is dated 1989.
It just seems odd because is considered some pretty stellar gear by quite a few people. But unlike the contemporaries Bob Carver's gear competed with, it cost but a fraction of it's competitors. To alot of people that made it beneath them because cheap is not synonymous with "high end" in some peoples' eyes.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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BlueFox wrote:Was Carver making speakers in the early to mid 80s?
I believe the Amazings were made in the mid 80s."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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Funny, I didn't notice any Carver gear on that list at all. 1989 should have been prime Carver time. Either nobody who reads that magazine admits to owning Carver gear or there's a heavy-duty bias there.Jstas wrote:It just seems odd because is considered some pretty stellar gear by quite a few people. But unlike the contemporaries Bob Carver's gear competed with, it cost but a fraction of it's competitors. To alot of people that made it beneath them because cheap is not synonymous with "high end" in some peoples' eyes.
Hello!!!The wide distributions of such American companies as Adcom, NAD, AR, Carver, Shure, Hafler, Monster Cable, and Grado are noteworthy, as are the high positions achieved by Audio Research, Linn Products, McIntosh, and Conrad-Johnson, all companies who can hardly be said to be competing in the "affordable" arena. The popularity of the MIT interconnect and loudspeaker cable is somewhat surprising, though, considering its high cost.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Sorry, didn't have time to read the whole article. The first paragraph was rife with Stereophile's self appreciating banality and I assumed the rest of the article would be just the same. So I skipped to the list real quick, reviewed and went on because other pressing items took precedence.
But as far as NAD goes, I thought they were a Canadian company originally founded in the UK, not American? And last I checked, Linn was Scottish.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Love the disclaimer regarding AR in the footnote.
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Hey, were you going through your vintage magasines
? I too wonder what the result of such a survey in this era would be?? DARE TO SOAR:
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20 years ago? Ok, dont cast me into the pit of fallen SPEARKERS, but where is Cerwin Vega?Polk Audio Surround Bar 360
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Maybe the previous decade survey perhapsKnucklehead wrote: »20 years ago? Ok, dont cast me into the pit of fallen SPEARKERS, but where is Cerwin Vega? DARE TO SOAR:
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The Cerwin Vega speaRkers were definitely well rated in the 70s early 80s so I wouldn't be surprised they would have made the list if there were one then.Knucklehead wrote: »your probably rightDARE TO SOAR:
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By who? Helen Keller?The Cerwin Vega speaRkers were definitely well rated in the 70s early 80s~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
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Nope.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Like anything else, speaker brands is very subjective (thus the reason for 30 tops) however, CV like many other brands had their glorius days however, speaker brands being subjective there is always some fan that couldn't see that since they probably tought the world was revolving around their own subjective worldKnucklehead wrote: »thats funny.....not a CV fan huh? Personnally, I have to admit I heard about CV many moons before I ever heard of Polk.
And of course, as usual we will simply have to agree to disagree :cool:
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hey stevienaz . wana sell me some of them awesome bi,ampers from the nanaers thread lol
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CVs were like the BIG FRAT party speaker back in the day....big monster boomy BASS and lots of it. Heavy woofers and rubber surrounds....people would blast them all day and night. But they could never really handle mids and highs very well, especially detailed highs. They were more like the proverbial DJ speaker.
I never owned any. But there was another speaker company back then that made a series of fiber glass cabinets with big woofers as well. They also had something like Vega in their name. Does anyone remember what I'm referring to....because I can't remember the full name--They WERE NOT CERWIN VEGAS!!! That's all I recall?
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C-V always has been, and unless something drastic has happened or happens, will remain a child's loudspeaker.
The perfect example of being as far from accurate, believable sound as possible, and still retaining a "big name". Being the perfect party speaker for headbanging parties somehow gave these speakers credibility. At least with some folks I guess. -
A buddy of mine has CV's...............probably the worst speaker I've ever heard as far reproducing music like it's supposed to sound. Gives Bose a good run for their money as possibly the worst sounding speaker ever. Pioneer HPM's are right up there too. Sorry Steve, I know you enjoy those in your 70's man cave rig. I'm sure you get that 70's groovy flavor..........which is what you are looking for out of that rig. "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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Guys, Im really trying to fit in here, i have a Cerwin Vega center channel and it really sounds nice, it actually sounds good matched with my R50's. Has anybody heard any of the new CV stuff, please no bashing unless youve actually heard it.Polk Audio Surround Bar 360
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Not trying to bash just giving my 25 years plus in this hobby opinion. To be honest, center channel in an HT isn't exactly all that challenging. Just enjoy your rig and don;t worry so much about what others say.
There are a multitude of choices out there, if you dig it..................rock on!"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
I guess my problem is, is I havent heard a lot of different systems. i mean Ive listened to all of the Best Buy ex-Circuit City set-ups and a few local pro shops but not really anything quite like you guys have built. eventually I will get a Polk center but for now im content. Like someone else said on here "you guys have forgotten more about Audio than I have learned"!Polk Audio Surround Bar 360
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Try stay away from the big box store and drop by specialised store just to spend time in their show room. You need real show room where set-up are as close as possible to home. Compare the different brands, listen to them and see the difference. CV was sold in the early 2000 and I would never consider them today, things have changed too much but who knows. The main thing is if your happy, that is the main thing. People think of CV as party boxes, its a reality but they also were big in proffessional cinema at one point. Many of today's company don't have the years in speakers that CV does an while many good speakers out there, they'll never achieve what CV did in its long existence (speakers for electric instruments such as fender). If I can remeber CV had quite a few contracts with commercial/proffessional arena.Knucklehead wrote: »I guess my problem is, is I havent heard a lot of different systems. i mean Ive listened to all of the Best Buy ex-Circuit City set-ups and a few local pro shops but not really anything quite like you guys have built. eventually I will get a Polk center but for now im content. Like someone else said on here "you guys have forgotten more about Audio than I have learned"!DARE TO SOAR:
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CV's are crap IMO. One of my buddies dads swears by them...he has 4 pairs of them. Two of the pairs that he has are really old and worn out...not sure when they were made. One of the pairs is a 4-way design with a 15" woofer, the other is a 3-way design with a 12" woofer. Both of them are in need of re-foaming. He also has two newer pairs. One is a similar design to his older 4-way 15" cabs, and the other pair has two 15's. They all sound like crap IMO.
As others have said...good party speakers. They have volume for days, and can pressurize the hell out a room, but that's about all they can do. Mid-range clarity, detailed high end and dynamics don't even exist in these speakers.
I checked out a newer Cerwin-Vega HT setup at my local A/V store a while back. It was a 5.1 setup that was pretty similar to Polk's VM's. My thoughts on those pretty much concur with my thoughts on their other speakers. The detail just wasn't there. They're really hot through the lower mid-range and low end...and that's about it.Many of today's company don't have the years in speakers that CV does an while many good speakers out there, they'll never achieve what CV did in its long existence (speakers for electric instruments such as fender).
When did Fender amps have CV drivers in them? I've never heard of that.
Almost all Fender amps in their entire history that I know of have used Celestion drivers, along with Gatorbacks in quite a few of their vintage amps. A lot of them also used Jensen drivers, and many of them also used the in house Fender designed drivers. I've never heard of CV's in Fender amps...I may be wrong on that though.
Sure you're not thinking of Celestion Vintage 30's? That was a very widely used driver (and still is to this day) in guitar amps.The nirvana inducer-
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