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That's backwards.I was told by a local high end dealer that the cheaper the speakers the greter the notice of improvement."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
I was told by a local high end dealer that the cheaper the speakers the greter the notice of improvement.
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Alphaone, you have much to learn. You have also been absorbing the wrong information, as well as been given bad advice.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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I don't know. I think formula one tires on a chevette makes perfect sense.Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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Honkyo 805, LSi15. Before, RM30 speakers. I also had a Pioneer 1028 with the RM30.
I was told by a local high end dealer that the cheaper the speakers the greter the notice of improvement. I anso tried the RM20s. I couldn't notice any imptovement.
He was pulling your leg. I mean, if that was true we'd all be using Walmart speakers.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Or he wanted to sell the wires.
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I don't know. I think formula one tires on a chevette makes perfect sense.
I agree on that... f-1 tires and then some...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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I am getting my XPA-5 on Monday. I hope it impresses me more that the Terminators 4 driving the 4 LSi15, the LSiC and the RM 30 (these to be replced by the LSi9s). It's going to be a long weekend wayting. I want to try some SACDs and movies.
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Ummm......Terminator 4 cables don't drive anything, they mearly carry the signal. Of course, since you sold the MIT's in haste, you're not going to know how they might have sounded with a separate amp.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Welcome Gavin. Great to have you here.engtaz
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You have to have good gear to have good cables make a difference; you have to have primo gear to have primo cables make a difference. It really boils down to that.
In my system, the 10-gauge OFC stranded wire is actually overkill but it does the job and looks cool, snaking across the floor. I could elevate it off the carpet using styrofoam cups, but ....
.... it's all good !
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Sorry, my first language is not English, I wanted to say the XPA-5 driving those speakers.
The 10 gauge 588 strands KnuKonceptz speaker wire should do a good job. -
Honkyo 805, LSi15. Before, RM30 speakers. I also had a Pioneer 1028 with the RM30.
I was told by a local high end dealer that the cheaper the speakers the greter the notice of improvement. I anso tried the RM20s. I couldn't notice any imptovement.
You were told wrong.Obviously to sell you something.HT SYSTEM-
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Actually, the Audioquest demo of a few years ago showed that it didn't take anything close to high end gear to hear a difference in speaker cables. Some of the cable doubters around here should have heard this demo. You went away with no doubt whatsoever as to cables having an impact. None...mrbigbluelight wrote: »You have to have good gear to have good cables make a difference; you have to have primo gear to have primo cables make a difference.
They took a simple boombox, picked up on the way to the Stereophile Show, for about $50. It was a CD player one with detachable speakers. They broke the cheesy cable that comes with it, didn't remove it, and just added into the middle banana plugs. This made it so that during the demo they could switch in different cables while playing a CD music cut from the boombox. Note...not a single high end component, not a single mod to the boombox outside of enabling the ability to add cables.
The setup was just a row a chairs down the opposite wall, so most didn't have a sweetspot position. At that point, seeing the setup and the equipment, it was hard to imagine how we could hear any kind of change in cables. I was unconvinced at the time that cables could really make much of any difference beyond maybe the guage impacting a little.
As they switched between cables, it became obvious to everybody in there, that it wasn't hard at all, even on this grade of equipment to hear the cables impact the sound!! They didn't seem to work hard at selling or focusing on prices, just there to make the point that cables DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
Here is a link to a story of the demo in a version some 10 years or more after the one I saw, so you can get it in someone else's words...
http://www.avguide.com/blog/the-audioquest-boombox-demo
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I just want to give an idea of how I decided to go with kind-of-regular speaker wire. I just looked for basic side-by-side wire, thick enough for any amount of current, oxygen free copper so it would have less impurities, with high strand count because current tends to flow in the wire’s surface.
My decision was based on the information I found on the links below, among other. I couldn’t find some more technical sites I saw before. I will post them when I find them.
I looked everywhere for information in sites and books, forums, remembering what I learned from my EE degree, etc. There are opinions on the matter all over the place which often create confusion more than inform. It’s almost like a religion, you must have faith. So I tried to look for facts. I also understand that theory and reality may be different.
I believe that there are differences for the better in expensive cables, just not enough to justify the cost. For example, it seems that some cables try to get all frequencies to the speakers all at the same time because highs travel faster than lows, but who can notice a difference of a nanosecond in time?
I am just trying to clarify my doubts, not to alienate or contradict anyone. Maybe it will stimulate the conversation so others may add to it so we can learn more from the post of their experience and knowledge. May be I will get different cables in the near future.
Here are some links
Cable Budget Guidelines:
http://www.audioholics.com/buying-guides/how-to-shop/cable-budget-guidelines
Audio Cables - Fact & Fiction Revealed:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/5/6528.html
Top Ten Signs an Audio Cable Vendor is Selling You Snake Oil:
http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/top-ten-signs-an-audio-cable-vendor-is-selling-you-snake-oil
From High Det Forum; Truth about speaker wire:
http://www.highdefforum.com/speakers-surround-sound/48921-truth-about-speaker-wires.html -
Please do not believe everything you read on the internet. Your ears will thank you. See if, in the meantime you can borrow a set of DBS cables from somebody to use in your own rig. It might just make you smile from what you hear.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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The 10 gauge 588 strands KnuKonceptz speaker wire should do a good job.
For the level that you're at, I'm sure they will. For the level that others are at, they will not.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Actually, the Audioquest demo of a few years ago showed that it didn't take anything ...
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I have ran a few differant types of wire and i'd say they all sounded the same pretty much, until i then tried em running thrumy amps and then big differance in each wire.Living Room Rig:D
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Thanks. This is a lively group!
That's a good way of putting it. I'd say some of us core members are a bit passionate about things we believe in and audio in general..
Perhaps you can help me out.............maybe this is the right venue maybe not. I'm looking for a pair of 8' NOS or used Terminator 2's with Iconn's.
Perhaps you could PM or e-mail me if you have any ideas where to find a pair or perhaps you have access to some.
TIA
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Cables are always lively. engtaz
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Here is an interconnect, all that crap in the signal path had to be good. Yop quality swtches as well.:rolleyes:
This is what I don't understand, some here are absolutely against having an EQ/ tone control in their system saying it's another link in the chain and that if your system needs EQ you need better equipment.
.....but they will buy extravagant cables to alter the sound and signal path.
alphaone,
It isn't much of a mystery what speaker wire is suppose to do, if a perfect wire were possible, it would have no resistance, no capacitance, and no inductance. The shorter a wire is, the closer it comes to being perfect.
There are many other factors that I would focus on in getting your system (and room) to sound right first. Once you have them dialed in, then worry about the two electrical conductors individually insulated by plastic.
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Why, because it's not an EQ. It removes noise and corrects impedance mismatches."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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That's answered very easily. It depends on where the individual is on thier own personal audio journey. Sometimes each is a benefit and at the same time each can be a detriment.This is what I don't understand, some here are absolutely against having an EQ/ tone control in their system saying it's another link in the chain and that if your system needs EQ you need better equipment.
.....but they will buy extravagant cables to alter the sound and signal path.
Oh, and what Face said.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Why, because it's not an EQ. It removes noise and corrects impedance mismatches.
Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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alphaone - I have a roll of the blue wire you reference, and while it's not bad in comparison to what else there is in it's price range, if you can't hear a difference between it and the MIT cables, then you probably shouldn't really worry about what cables or components you use, and just enjoy the music.DKG999
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