MIT Cables - What we really get! :-D

VR3

So I just got my Z Cord II in ---

And the wire itself is labeled as to what it really is. Quick google search -- and my cable is wired up with this

http://www.northwire.com/directSJT143Spec.php

.99 a foot -- 6 dollars in cables..

The Hospital grade connector on the other end --

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=110-403

10.45

I will assume the other end cost roughly the same if not less since it is just a standard IEC cable and not a fancy one...


So with that in mind --- MIT has less than 25 bucks invested in this cable in the parts I can buy....

And I am imagining all the parts they use on their part of the product is probally going to cost them roughly 25-50 bucks at the most...

This post is probally just to make trouble because those magic boxes are worth their wait and gold -- I was just curious to see how much they are making on their R&D...

Amazing really.... good for MIT! I love the cables and their power products have been stellar for me and they do what they say they will.

jinjuku

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

So I just got my Z Cord II in ---

And the wire itself is labeled as to what it really is. Quick google search -- and my cable is wired up with this

http://www.northwire.com/directSJT143Spec.php

.99 a foot -- 6 dollars in cables..

The Hospital grade connector on the other end --

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=110-403

10.45

I will assume the other end cost roughly the same if not less since it is just a standard IEC cable and not a fancy one...


So with that in mind --- MIT has less than 25 bucks invested in this cable in the parts I can buy....

And I am imagining all the parts they use on their part of the product is probally going to cost them roughly 25-50 bucks at the most...

This post is probally just to make trouble because those magic boxes are worth their wait and gold -- I was just curious to see how much they are making on their R&D...

Amazing really.... good for MIT! I love the cables and their power products have been stellar for me and they do what they say they will.

Has anyone cracked open one of those boxes to see what components are in there?

F1nut

The February 2009 issue of The Absolute Sound has a nice article on MIT cables with a huge color picture of an open network box on pages 102-103.

comfortablycurt

F1nut wrote: »

The February 2009 issue of The Absolute Sound has a nice article on MIT cables with a huge color picture of an open network box on pages 102-103.

I've always been curious about what was inside the network boxes, so I had to look that article up.

Here's a link.

http://www.audiobilityuk.net/pdf/absnd_ma-x.pdf

VR3

interesting picture....

Very interesting -- whatever all that crap is in that box... WORKS

Period

BlueFox

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

interesting picture....

Very interesting -- whatever all that crap is in that box... WORKS

Period

For $25,000 per 8' pair it had better work.

WilliamM2

jinjuku wrote: »

Has anyone cracked open one of those boxes to see what components are in there?

Here is an interconnect, all that crap in the signal path had to be good. Yop quality swtches as well.:rolleyes:

ben62670

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Here is an interconnect, all that crap in the signal path had to be good. Yop quality swtches as well.:rolleyes:

It's an RCL filter. I have tried to find the values to build HQ one of my own. It is kinda like a passive tone control for people that won't use tone controls;) I will say that they do sound very nice in some systems.

jinjuku

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Here is an interconnect, all that crap in the signal path had to be good. Yop quality swtches as well.:rolleyes:

That looks like something produced by NIT graduates....:eek:

gavn8r

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Here is an interconnect, all that crap in the signal path had to be good. Yop quality swtches as well.:rolleyes:

This is Gavin Fish at MIT Cables. To be clear, what you see there are additional conductors connected to the LCR networks in PARALLEL (not in the signal path) to the mains. This is the basic construction formula for most MIT products and patents.

While we encourage participation in the discussion and the development of the high-end, let's be cautious not to diminish the costly pioneering (risk taking) efforts that go into research and development by cutting-edge companies we all appreciate. Indeed, this is what the hobby is all about.

Remember, "You can always tell who the pioneers are because they have arrows in their back and are lying face down in the dirt." --Anonymous

ben62670 wrote: »

It's an RCL filter. I have tried to find the values to build HQ one of my own. It is kinda like a passive tone control for people that won't use tone controls;) I will say that they do sound very nice in some systems.

Save yourself the trouble, go to Bruce’s DIY site.
http://www.diyaudiocable.com

ben62670

Thanks Gavin. I have used the MIT's here on a lone, and found them great in one of my systems. Very good in another. R$D does take lots of time. A lot of us at Club Polk certainly enjoy those cables.
Again thanks and keep up the good work.
Ben

ben62670

Gavin is there any plans for IC's with the network boxes for DIY guys, or should I just go for some used Shotguns?
Thanks
Ben

heiney9

Yeah Trey, but how do the MIT's sound? That's all that matters.....I won't be buying any other brand anytime soon. I love my MIT's and they are well worth the price if one can swing it.

gavn8r

ben62670 wrote: »

Gavin is there any plans for IC's with the network boxes for DIY guys, or should I just go for some used Shotguns?
Thanks
Ben

Ben-

At this time on the DIY interconnects all we have are those with the networks inside the MPC connectors. I haven't heard any whisperings of anything else in the foreseeable future. If you want higher-end interconnects to match the Giant Killer speaker cables, the best match would be a Magnum M2 or M1.

hearingimpared

Welcome to Club Polk Gavin. It's good to see you here. I am a huge MIT fan.

F1nut

Not to worry Gavin, WilliamM2 is our resident Anti HiFi Insurgent. He wouldn't know good sound if it hit him in the ears.

Ricardo

Welcome Gavin. you'll find hardcore followers of both sides here, and sometimes cable discussions can get a little over the top.

Enjoy!!!

Face

I can't stand MIT cables.

They make the rest of my cables sound bad.

danz1906

Mit makes great cables with Warmth and Detail:D

VR3

Whats up Gavin!

lol, I thoroughly enjoy MIT products (hence why my rig uses it exclusively now) -- I just found the Z Cord II an interesting product due to the parts it used and how much those network boxes actually cost.

alphaone

jinjuku wrote: »

Has anyone cracked open one of those boxes to see what components are in there?

I had two sets of MIT speaker cable, Terminator 4 and 2 pairs of RCA interconnects also Terminator 4. Not their best but it should be superior to normal cable.

I wanted to see the inside of those boxes, but I didn't have the courage, so instead I decided to sell them for a little less than I paid for them.

I bought Klear Kable Blue 10 gauge speaker wire from KnuKonceptz.com for a lot less than the MIT cost, 72 cents per foot. I saw this site in a posting by someone who bought speaker wire from them.

I switch the MIT terminator 4 and the KnuKonceptz cables back and forth so many times looking for a difference, but I couldn't ear any, non whatsoever. I had these cables for a few years and a few months ago I tried them again and I couldn’t find any difference.

I wonder if anyone had tried the same and what they think. I read that one thing they do is to make the different frequencies to arrive at the speakers all at the same time since lower frequencies are slower to travel. But at near the speed of light, who is going to notice any difference? Better for bass? Some say all you need is a thick enough wire and high quality copper. The number 10 I got is more than enough for the 10 ft or so I use. I may be totally wrong on thinking there is no audible difference, but I couldn’t notice any at all.
However, when I first connected then I thought they sounded great. Then I started to think maybe it was because they were expensive, so, when I decided to test them and I was disappointed for not finding a difference.

I hope I don’t get flamed for this. I am just expressing what I found. They must work for other people because so many say so.

alphaone

This web page has good information about Speaker Wire:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#thetruth

This is what's in the table of contents:

Introduction
Connectors
Damping Factor
Wire Table
Nominal Speaker Impedance
Cable Resistance Too High?
Cable Resistance Too Low?
What About Oxygen Free Wire?
What About Silver Wire?
What About Wires Longer Than 50 Feet?
Gordon Gow's Speaker Wire Listening Test
The Truth About Speaker Wire
Cardas Wire and the IDS-25
Stereo Review Dares To Tell the Truth
Stereo Review Gets More Conservative
An Honest Answer from Sound & Vision
All Low Cost Wires Are Not the Same
Misleading Wire Demonstration
Expensive Wire and Insulators
Wire Conditioner
House Wiring and Listening
Power Source
The Big Picture
Wire Cartoons
Amazing Randi Offer
Audio/Video Interconnects

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It may confirms my experience.

alphaone wrote: »

I had two sets of MIT speaker cable, Terminator 4 and 2 pairs of RCA interconnects also Terminator 4. Not their best but it should be superior to normal cable.

I wanted to see the inside of those boxes, but I didn't have the courage, so instead I decided to sell them for a little less than I paid for them.

I bought Klear Kable Blue 10 gauge speaker wire from KnuKonceptz.com for a lot less than the MIT cost, 72 cents per foot. I saw this site in a posting by someone who bought speaker wire from them.

I switch the MIT terminator 4 and the KnuKonceptz cables back and forth so many times looking for a difference, but I couldn't ear any, non whatsoever. I had these cables for a few years and a few months ago I tried them again and I couldn’t find any difference.

I wonder if anyone had tried the same and what they think. I read that one thing they do is to make the different frequencies to arrive at the speakers all at the same time since lower frequencies are slower to travel. But at near the speed of light, who is going to notice any difference? Better for bass? Some say all you need is a thick enough wire and high quality copper. The number 10 I got is more than enough for the 10 ft or so I use. I may be totally wrong on thinking there is no audible difference, but I couldn’t notice any at all.
However, when I first connected then I thought they sounded great. Then I started to think maybe it was because they were expensive, so, when I decided to test them and I was disappointed for not finding a difference.

I hope I don’t get flamed for this. I am just expressing what I found. They must work for other people because so many say so.

F1nut

Care to list the gear you're using?

F1nut

alphaone, we have all read the RR article and those that know the TRUTH have dismissed it as pure BS.

F1nut

Hmmm.....where did he go? Looks like just another hit and run with an agenda.

F1nut

Ok, I found the answer to my question.

Onkyo TX-SR805 and RM30's.

Which, in turn, is the answer to your question as to why you can't hear a difference.

CoolJazz

alphaone wrote: »

This web page has good information about Speaker Wire:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#thetruth

It may confirms my experience.

Keep in mind that in his case, in those days he was listening through those awful McIntosh amp terminals. Think about the metal to metal contacts between the speaker wire, the termination, the steel posts of the amp terminals and then to the wire inside via a solder connection. Be a good reason to not hear a difference!!

That article may have done more disservice to audio listening pleasure around the world than any other single persons opinion ever! What a shame!!

CoolJazz

tonyb

F1nut wrote: »

Ok, I found the answer to my question.

Onkyo TX-SR805 and RM30's.

Which, in turn, is the answer to your question as to why you can't hear a difference.

Unfortunately Jess,this is more the case than not.People think a set off cables will make low end speakers sound like a pair of Sonus Fabers.

alphaone

Honkyo 805, LSi15. Before, RM30 speakers. I also had a Pioneer 1028 with the RM30.
I was told by a local high end dealer that the cheaper the speakers the greter the notice of improvement. I anso tried the RM20s. I couldn't notice any imptovement.

VR3

Thats silly

High resolution systems are called high resolution because of that fact. They have the resolution to pick up on small differences in music and on components...

So, yeah a pair of LSi15 ran on a receiver or a set of RM speakers really wont show you the difference all that much.

ben62670

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#thetruth

I believe everything I read on the internet:rolleyes: