I think I have maybe made a mistake.

mantis

What's up fellow ICE owners?

I think I may have pulled the trigger a little to soon. Don't get me wrong I love my SC-07 but I over looked one due to price and felt it was not necessary for my new system....... until today.

We have a theater show room with Definitive Technology Mythos ST mains , Mythos 10 Center , Supercube Trinity , BPVX rears and In ceilings for surround back. We had B&K ref 70 ( which I just wanted to put in the back dumbster) with a 7 channel Krell amp. Ok when it worked it sounded great. But I removed the Krell and B&K and Installed the very mighty SC-09tx. I figured I would be slighty let down in over all sound quality since I had a mac daddy Krell amp and with it's flaws a very good sounding preamp in the ref 70. Not the case. I actually started to like it more.

We had the Mythos St's in just speaker level running large and I was feeling sporty and decided to run 3 subs upfront . The Might SC-09tx has 2 sub outs, cool my Sc-07 only has 1 , not a big deal at first until I did a manual calibration. I set it up for 2 subs in the menu and started test toning the sub 1 out. I set the level to 75db on the left Mythos St and had the Trinity and right Mythos St unplugged. Then once I reached 75 , I unplugged the left and plugged in the right, set it at 75 , unplugged and got the Trinity to 75db as well. So I just learned the Sc-09tx can output one sub at a time. WOAHH WOAH WOAH!!! Stop!!! Just STOP!!! You mean to tell me I can test tone each sub by itself? ( not exaclty in my case as I had 3 in the mix) but this really stuck out during setup. You now can correctly correct with MCACC for both subs. Hold on MAN!!! This is truely badass. My Rotel had 2 sub outs and test toned both at the same time. I had to set up each sub manually then bring them both up and down together for a final. Not so with the MIGHTY SC-09TX. Mighty is a strong word but so meaning full in my day today.

I could go on and on how badass it sounds. Just imagine your SC-05 or 7 just Arnold pumped up. More current more dynamics and same sonic signature with maybe a hint of deeper soundstage.

I want a SC-09 now. I think I will.

Dan

WilliamM2

Wouldn't you want to set the level on both subs at once to 75db? Seems if you set each individually, at 75db, you would end up with the sub output at 78db with both subs on.

Curios as I have been thinking of picking up another sub.

mantis

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Wouldn't you want to set the level on both subs at once to 75db? Seems if you set each individually, at 75db, you would end up with the sub output at 78db with both subs on.

Curios as I have been thinking of picking up another sub.

when you have only one sub output, you turn one sub off and set the other to 75. Then turn off that sub, turn on other sub, set that to 75. Your not done here, you now raise or lower over line level to get 75 for both subs playing at the same time.

With the SC-09, you don't have to do this if you are running 2 subs, it has line level adjustment for each sub. Thats way badass.

Dan

MikeC78

Seriously?? Even with the HUGE price difference you think you made a mistake?

The 05 and 07 are a going steal at their price, the 09 not so much. I can grab an 05/07 and get an external W4S, NHT, D-Sonic ICE amp and have a ton more power than the 09 will ever give me. I could really careless about MCACC for the subs, I'd rather do it manually myself.

Falcon01

How much does an SC-09 go for? Wasn't the SC-05 (or was it the 07) going for less than $1000 recently?

mantis

MikeC78 wrote: »

Seriously?? Even with the HUGE price difference you think you made a mistake?

The 05 and 07 are a going steal at their price, the 09 not so much. I can grab an 05/07 and get an external W4S, NHT, D-Sonic ICE amp and have a ton more power than the 09 will ever give me. I could really careless about MCACC for the subs, I'd rather do it manually myself.

So manually you can correct for Phase and standing waves? Your a bad man bro. No kinda meter or test equipment?

Anyway My new system consists of the Definitive Technology Mythos St fronts which have built in subs. I could run direct LFE to both and set up both subs by them selves. For set up thats way bad ****. If you know anything about room acoustics, this is a blessing.

I have been setting up multi subs in rooms for years. It is not easy to do when you only have one LFE out and trying to make 2 woofers work together in 2 different places. It sometimes can be a nightmare to get right. So when I learned about the dual true 2 sub outputs on the SC-09tx , I was all in. I also like the ability to connect my ipod to the back of the unit instead of the front.

I would say mistake is a huge word but it's meaningful with the sub setup. If the SC-07 had dual sub outs with discrete test tone for each, I would keep the SC-07. Money isn't always a good reason to own a piece of gear. Yes the deal lately on the SC-05 and SC-07 is unbelieveable and a stupid killer deal for 1800 and 2200 dollar receivers. Very nice but when you have certain needs, that ha to come into play.

Today I just set up a B&K avr707 receiver with a full S series Paradigm theater package 7.2 with 2 Sevo 15 subs. It wasn't that hard to tune both as it only took about 1 hour to get right but I could not tune them other then setting 3 notch points. I had some dips I wanted to correct but I could not so the customer is beat with that. Nothing I can do without treating the room. That is the only other way to correct for problems. The SC-09tx would be a better fit for this job and I'm gonna push for the B&K to be replaced with the Pioneer Elite Sc-09tx.

So they are 2 very important things to me for my new system. I hate the Ipod connection in the front as my gear is in my livingroom. If it was in a closet or in the basement, I wouldn't care.

Dan

mantis

Falcon01 wrote: »

How much does an SC-09 go for? Wasn't the SC-05 (or was it the 07) going for less than $1000 recently?

The Pioneer ELite SC-09tx retails for 7000.00

Dan

Sherardp

I seen the 09 around for 3-4k easy. I don't know Mantis, at that price point things get into the no comfort zone for me, especially for an AVR. No comfort meaning I'm sure as hell not comfortable dropping coin like that. However the 09 is supposedly an all in one solution, meaning you should'nt need an amp. So I guess if I figured the price of my 07, my D-Sonic/Sunfire Amps, I already spent the cost of the 09 maybe even more. I'd love to have one, but I have two problems; size and weight so its definitely a no go for me. Wish you good luck on your purchase and definitely post pics. Being the Prez of ice club you should have the 09

MikeC78

mantis wrote: »

So manually you can correct for Phase and standing waves? Your a bad man bro. No kinda meter or test equipment?

Dan

Yep, I said manually. That's meaning by yourself using whatever test equipment you desire. No need to spend a few G's more on an AVR that has a dual output for subs with an EQ.

I'd rather use a Velodyne SMS-1 or the new SVS AS-EQ1. Here... http://www.svsound.com/products-parts-subeq.cfm

Either choice would have more adjustability/usability over the MCACC and dual output of the 09 anyday.

leroyjr1

Sherardp wrote: »

I seen the 09 around for 3-4k easy. I don't know Mantis, at that price point things get into the no comfort zone for me, especially for an AVR. No comfort meaning I'm sure as hell not comfortable dropping coin like that. However the 09 is supposedly an all in one solution, meaning you should'nt need an amp. So I guess if I figured the price of my 07, my D-Sonic/Sunfire Amps, I already spent the cost of the 09 maybe even more. I'd love to have one, but I have two problems; size and weight so its definitely a no go for me. Wish you good luck on your purchase and definitely post pics. Being the Prez of ice club you should have the 09

Sherardp

The 09 will be out of date in a couple years while your D-sonic/Sunfire will give you many more years of enjoyment. I also had a chance to play around with the 09 and thought it was a great unit but Id rather get a bad **** amp and subs for the price of that 09.

Sherardp

leroyjr1 wrote: »

Sherardp

The 09 will be out of date in a couple years while your D-sonic/Sunfire will give you many more years of enjoyment. I also had a chance to play around with the 09 and thought it was a great unit but Id rather get a bad **** amp and subs for the price of that 09.

I agree with you there.

Falcon01

leroyjr1 wrote: »

Sherardp

The 09 will be out of date in a couple years while your D-sonic/Sunfire will give you many more years of enjoyment. I also had a chance to play around with the 09 and thought it was a great unit but Id rather get a bad **** amp and subs for the price of that 09.

+1. Plus all the money you will have lost when the SC-09 is outdated.

cfrizz

Yup. This is where in the end you save money if you don't go chasing the latest & greatest thing to hit the market every 8-12 months.

So long as your gear does everything YOU need it to do for you, then there is no need to constantly upgrade.

Pedler

Mantis,

I hear what you are saying but the sc-09 at say 3.5K vs 1k price point??? at that level is it that big a differance in sound ( Don't get me wrong I would love to be able to hook up two subs and have them ajusted using MCACC but I turn my sub up a little from that calibration anyway. I don't see me going that route...if they do a sell off deal at 2K price I might be more inclined but that is my limit.

To be honest I see the newer receivers seem to be doing the 2 sub outs more eg. Yamaha, Plus I think they will do this more in the future.

P.S. If you want the pumped up SC-09 wouldn't the Rotel Ice amp do this with the sc-07
(yep I know you won't have the 2 sub-outs) and at a cheaper price?

I agree with MikeC78 Get the Subs that have the calibration system maybe this is a better way to spend the money and you will always have the sub. or go the Rotel amp route ( This is the way I think I would go.)

mantis

Thanks everyone for the advise.

I got so juiced up when I set up the Sc09tx with more then one sub. All my Sc09 installs have only been with one sub so I never really payed it any mind. With using 2 or more subs in a room, I find it to be challenging to get correct. MCACC will sovle some problems for one sub with the SC07 but has no ability to dial in 2. When you place 2 subs in the room, you have some problems and many benefits. With the SC-09, this is beautiful as it tests each sub by itself. I was so into that. I still dialed them in myself first , then I let MCACC take over from there.

I may or may not jump as I have other things I want to upgrade first.

Dan