the truth really hurts,our sick society today

brettw22

I'll call BS on that, but that's just me.....

I'm not angry at all.....I just have the ability to cut through peoples **** and call it as it is.......if people get offended at the process.......don't be a **** and you won't have a problem......simple, right?

NJPOLKER

brettw22 wrote: »

I'll call BS on that, but that's just me.....

I'm not angry at all.....I just have the ability to cut through peoples **** and call it as it is.......if people get offended at the process.......don't be a **** and you won't have a problem......simple, right?

Such language I didn't think we were supposed to use that kind of language here. Like I said you seem like an angry guy.
I think I am going to put you on my ignore list LOL, you'll be the first. But then again since I find you humorous maybe I won't.
Whats with "I'll call BS on that" you have no clue but you are entitled to your opinion even though its wrong.
Smile a little more and everyone around you may smile more too.

shack

Brett is very opinionated...and often wrong in those opinions (IMO )...but I still like him.

DV1

Dang depressing!

nooshinjohn

shack wrote: »

Brett is very opinionated...and often wrong in those opinions (IMO )...but I still like him.

opinions are like arseholes. we all got one and they all stink, except mine. but that's just my opinion.:p

NJPOLKER

shack wrote: »

Brett is very opinionated...and often wrong in those opinions (IMO )...but I still like him.

Shack ya know what? I kinda like him too! I am not kidding. All the guys/gals around here are great. Its also great that the guys have strong feelings and express them no matter what the issue may be. It's just funny how serious/heated things get at times.

wizzy

bobman1235 wrote: »

Wrong. It's not the people, as in the individuals, it's human nature.

Wrong.

Human nature itself can not act on it's own. It still takes a human, as in individuals, to act upon that nature to realize its potential.

I would completely agree if the statement read something like "it's human nature which motivated the people, as in individuals, to do what they did"

So while human nature may have been the motivator, it is still the individual who realized the actions.

bobman1235

You can argue semantics all you want. The original post I replied to said that if you got rid of the offending people, the broken systems would work. I completely disagree, and believe that nearly anyone put into that position of power will eventually become corrupt and the same problems will surface. Whatever idiotic points you want to make about my phrasing feel free, the underlying sentiment remains.

wizzy

bobman1235 wrote: »

You can argue semantics all you want. The original post I replied to said that if you got rid of the offending people, the broken systems would work.

Show me where my original post said that. It didn't. Someone replied and said that, but I sure as hell didn't.

bobman1235 wrote: »

I ... believe that nearly anyone put into that position of power will eventually become corrupt and the same problems will surface ...

Yep, I agree.

Ender

Right, but it is impossible to prevent every individual from realizing their actions that stem from human nature. Besides, human nature isn't all bad. There are plenty of good things about human nature. I would rather have the good with the bad than live without the good AND without the bad.

wizzy wrote: »

Wrong.

Human nature itself can not act on it's own. It still takes a human, as in individuals, to act upon that nature to realize its potential.

I would completely agree if the statement read something like "it's human nature which motivated the people, as in individuals, to do what they did"

So while human nature may have been the motivator, it is still the individual who realized the actions.

wizzy

Ender wrote: »

Right, but it is impossible to prevent every individual from realizing their actions that stem from human nature. Besides, human nature isn't all bad. There are plenty of good things about human nature. I would rather have the good with the bad than live without the good AND without the bad.

Yep, I would agree with this too.

rayslifecycle

bobman1235 wrote: »

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely." ............There's a reason the Constitution is written like it is, with balance of power and checks and balances; the founding fathers knew that given the opportunity, even the most well-meaning of people will abuse their power.

My agreement with this is immeasurable.
How do we reclaim what has been lost and restore these limitations?

brettw22

and people seem legitimately shocked when people push back against those trying to ammend the constitution to suit their own agenda........hahaha.......

I guess 'sometimes' it's ok.......

steveinaz

Yeah, angry is the wrong word. Let's say he's got an 'edge" to him...LOL

George Grand

Regarding this forum? It's simple. No political discussion. What is so difficult to understand? This garbage is happening more and more on THIS forum. The level of the garbage has increased exponentially also. Everybody feels a need to get a little subtle jab in. Who freakin' cares what you like or don't like about so and so, or him or her.

The racial bomblet that somebody dropped the other day was not my imagination, but it did let me see what the guy looks like without pants on. The nice words a moron had for the entire country of Canada yesterday was not my imagination.

Just take it somewhere else.

Jstas

What's Brett's problem? He hates New Jersey. It's not that hard to figure out. Geez!

I for one say good! Stay outta my state! There's too many bozos here already! :eek: :cool:

nooshinjohn

George Grand wrote: »

Regarding this forum? It's simple. No political discussion. What is so difficult to understand? This garbage is happening more and more on THIS forum. The level of the garbage has increased exponentially also. Everybody feels a need to get a little subtle jab in. Who freakin' cares what you like or don't like about so and so, or him or her.

The racial bomblet that somebody dropped the other day was not my imagination, but it did let me see what the guy looks like without pants on. The nice words a moron had for the entire country of Canada yesterday was not my imagination.

Just take it somewhere else.

what racial bomblet do you refer to, as I have not found one. Canada deserves all the ribbing it gets. did you not learn to identify sarcasm... 90% of the humor I see in this forum is just that, and I am not being sarcastic about it...

nooshinjohn

nooshinjohn wrote: »

what racial bomblet do you refer to, as I have not found one. Canada deserves all the ribbing it gets. did you not learn to identify sarcasm... 90% of the humor I see in this forum is just that, and I am not being sarcastic about it...

I just read what happened on the stolen bird thread... canada does deserve some good natured ribbing but not that...

George Grand

Fool.

average_guy

wizzy wrote: »

Show me where my original post said that. It didn't. Someone replied and said that, but I sure as hell didn't.



Yep, I agree.

I was the sardonic wit who replied to the original post in regard to getting rid of all the people and leaving only the systems in place.

My point was that you are always going to have flawed people because people are flawed, at least I admit that I am anyway. Given that, any system that allows people to take enough risk to accomplish anything will also have inherent to it the possibility of abuse of some form or another.

IMHO, the systems that are worthwhile allow folks to take enough personal risk to actually achieve something as opposed to building widgets for the government with a make-work quota.

Teaching and living with personal honor and integrity is where the difference comes in. These things were once taught and held in esteem. Now the ability to deceive and get away with it is more commonly held and taught, and therein lies the difference.

schwarcw

I want to know where these hot 24 year old nympho teachers who are obsessed with sending nude photos and having sex with teenage boys were when I was growing up????

Ender

schwarcw wrote: »

I want to know where these hot 24 year old nympho teachers who are obsessed with sending nude photos and having sex with teenage boys were when I was growing up????

Well, when did you grow up? 1957 or 2009?

nooshinjohn

average_guy wrote: »

IMHO, the systems that are worthwhile allow folks to take enough personal risk to actually achieve something as opposed to building widgets for the government with a make-work quota.

Teaching and living with personal honor and integrity is where the difference comes in. These things were once taught and held in esteem. Now the ability to deceive and get away with it is more commonly held and taught, and therein lies the difference.

Agreed, with one exception. Honor and integrity are now used as a punchline for jokes targeting those that still believe in such things. The lazy way out is what its all about now and those that can find it are valued above all else. Bill Gates is a genius at it, having built his empire off the back of a guy that made DOS work. He bought cheap and sold it to IBM... Rappers are another group... I cannot think of any that actually do more than take someone elses music and come up with new words for them... the don't even need to SING.

wizzy

average_guy wrote: »

... My point was that you are always going to have flawed people because people are flawed, at least I admit that I am anyway. Given that, any system that allows people to take enough risk to accomplish anything will also have inherent to it the possibility of abuse of some form or another ...

Yep.

If you look at my post again carefully and you will notice that what I was doing is commenting on two totally different systems (one communism, one capitalist) which the similar outcome from people abusing their positions caused a crappy situation in the end.

This (your quote above) is exactly what was being said in my original post. Two systems, different people, yet the same **** happens.

Basically you (and bobman) were simply agreeing with exactly what I said. It was the people, and their drive (call it human nature) that lead to the abuses and collapse. Two different continents, two different models of governance, different individuals, same kind of **** happens in different ways due to abuse and the pursuit of money, position, influence, etc ... human nature as bobman says.

W

zombie boy 2000

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Rappers are another group... I cannot think of any that actually do more than take someone elses music and come up with new words for them... the don't even need to SING.

Not that I'm much of a fan (with the exception of much of the underground rap going on in England), but your statement is absolutely ridiculous. You basically described about 5-10% of rap and came off sounding like you were trying to tell a bunch of "young **** punks" to get off your lawn. And since when did singing become a prerequisite for all artistic endeavors?

Try to do a little research before subscribing so readily to stereotypes.

nooshinjohn

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

Not that I'm much of a fan (with the exception of much of the underground rap going on in England), but your statement is absolutely ridiculous. You basically described about 5-10% of rap and came off sounding like you were trying to tell a bunch of "young **** punks" to get off your lawn. And since when did singing become a prerequisite for all artistic endeavors?

Try to do a little research before subscribing so readily to stereotypes.

I will not lay claim to being a rap expert, but yes IMHO most rappers and those who listen to it, want to give off the impression of being "hard core"... I wish I had a nickel for every 30+ waste of life wannabe coming into where I work with mommy and daddy in tow so they could buy something else on their dime... Rap has done little good and caused a whole lot of grief. My research happens to be my own eyes and my two ears. And yes, they can stay OFF my lawn!

Ender

nooshinjohn wrote: »

My research happens to be my own eyes and my two ears.

Just gonna say... this is the same reason people thought the world was flat... the sun disappeared over the edge of the world!

average_guy

wizzy wrote: »

Yep.

If you look at my post again carefully and you will notice that what I was doing is commenting on two totally different systems (one communism, one capitalist) which the similar outcome from people abusing their positions caused a crappy situation in the end.

This (your quote above) is exactly what was being said in my original post. Two systems, different people, yet the same **** happens.

Basically you (and bobman) were simply agreeing with exactly what I said, you simply didn't know it. It was the people, and their drive (call it human nature) that lead to the abuses and collapse. Two different continents, two different models of governance, different individuals, same kind of **** happens in different ways due to abuse and the pursuit of money, position, influence, etc ... human nature as bobman says.

W

Interesting. As we continued to communicate we have come to a level of mutual understanding. I admit at first that I must have misunderstood your meaning initially. Tha's why I used the "confused" smiley face icon at the end of my initial post in this thread.

I reiterate my point about personal integrity being paramount. With it, the pursuit of betterment will not intentionally cause harm, and without it no one cares if harm is caused. It is an age-old issue. It is also a daily choice made in each and every situation, and whichever direction is chosen seems to be habit-forming. The long-term results of a consistent choice are seen in the larger picture, either for harm or good.

I am directly accountable to most of the people whose lives I affect with my decisions, so it becomes easier for me, simply because I can't get away with much anyway.

In the case of our world today, there are some in authority whose decisions affect lots of people, and those people are not held accountable, some I'm sure we never even know who they are, so it becomes easier for **** to happen, as you describe it. We see the consequences of those decisions, and if the consequences are good then we don't notice it that much because things are good in our individual lives, and if the consequences are bad then we notice it, and then we look for someone or something to blame. Sometimes the blame may be properly placed, but I'd be willing to wager that most of the time we never know the true details of the reason for the **** that goes down.

I know you're not the OP on this thread, but it still has been a good thread, in large part to your input.

Thanks!

Hillbilly61

tom t wrote: »

SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2007

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counsellors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Something like that happened to a friend's son who happens to be in my son's class several years ago. The little boy was 8 or 9 years old and had been playing with a cap gun at home. A cap gun as in the toy gun with paper rolls you load into them and the gun goes BANG when the trigger is pulled.

Anyway, the kid forgets and brings in a roll of caps to school. He pulls them out in class and the teacher freaks. First, she conficates the caps, then he is to the prinicipal's office and the school brings in the police ... for him carrying a weapon to school!!!!!!

My son saw the classroom part and his dad confirmed the balance of what happened with me. The parents had to hassel with the schoolboard to prevent the boy from being expelled as being a danger to the rest of the school. I know this kid. He is a really good kid, not the type that parents recognize as trouble (or trouble in the making).

tonyb

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

You're right any date before 71 car year would work for me also. Fun years, still love them, the newer ones are fun... but not the same.

NJPOLKER wrote: »

Old guns Old cars Old tubes how can you beat that?

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Just tell me where I can live like it's 1957 again.

Yeah,it would be nice.I think those times represent a period when life was simple.Man goes to work,women stayed home to raise kids,weekends you worked on your car,BBQ,went to church on sunday's,kids went to school and got a whoopin' if they misbehaived.Family's actually talked to each other.
Now,you can't work on your own car,too complicated and for the most part,designed that way.Women must work to help support the family,God is all but outlawed everywhere you look,BBQ's are bad for the environment,and kids can't touch each other,let alone a teacher.Families go to their own rooms and hybernate.So what is so great about now than then?? Gadgets?? Iphones,I-pods,computers,Political correctness,overwhelming debt,no personal responceability? Maybe,battery operated cars,microwaves,remote controls,playstations,Traffic camera's,cell phones,HDTV,public schools,gangs,kids getting shot,banking system falling apart,auto industry in the toilet,now insurance industry going south,Global warming,Global cooling,destruction of the rain forests,immigration,outsourced jobs overseas,manufactoring jobs all but extinct,Unions,bigger government,more taxes,more lawsuits,college costs,entitlements,tin cans,plastic bags,gas prices,airport security,Ceo pay and benefits,law enforcement,etc,etc.

So after looking at this partial list,I came to the conclusion that I would take 1957 in a heartbeat.While some gadgets have improved our lives,others just made us lazy.