the truth really hurts,our sick society today

NJPOLKER

Would you really like to? I know I would if I could know everything I know now but doesn't everyone feel that way.
I'd have a 1970 Dodge Challanger plum crazy purple and the 426 hemi and still drive it today

disneyjoe7

You're right any date before 71 car year would work for me also. Fun years, still love them, the newer ones are fun... but not the same.

NJPOLKER

Old guns Old cars Old tubes how can you beat that?

steveinaz

...and real butter and sugar.

NJPOLKER

Were getting there now.
Oh yeah I forgot, they "need" to "give" every child who partisipates in a sport a trophy regardless of there performance. How sad is that?? Oh please don't let my son's feeling get hurt because he sucks. Yeah he does not practice or even like the sport but its cute he plays.

George Grand

pmckeealaska wrote: »

Granted we've have become grossly too PC but why are the 1950's held up as some paragon of virtue? The 50's also had segregation, violent racism, McCarthyism, and numerous other social evils. I think we've just traded one kind of idiocy for another, but I'll still take now over then.

Amen brother. And in addition to now over then, I'll also take here over there. I don't have the Taliban guys here in Jersey.

The only thing better about then (60's, early 70's) over now is, back then I could see Frank & The Mothers every six months or so.

BlueFox

George Grand wrote: »

The only thing better about then (60's, early 70's) over now is, back then I could see Frank & The Mothers every six months or so.

Just to show my age, I will even generalize that virtually all (hard) Rock from that era is better than today. While Jack White can play the guitar, he has a difficult time creating multiple good albums.

And, society today is much, much, better than the 50s. While the 50s were great if you were a child, they were hell if you were an independant, free-thinking adult.

rayslifecycle

when something goes wrong, we (our culture) asks someone else to fix it. This means we give away our authority to fix it ourselves.

If instead, when something went wrong, we dealt with the problem locally rather then asking someone to "do something"; we would continue to maintain our freedom, maintain personal responsibility, and maintain our authority to deal with the problem.

Those we handed the authority to are now abusing that authority. It is up to us to take that authority back if we are not happy with their solution.

It is never a matter of grass is always greener because the farther away you stand, the less you see the weeds, and you tend to forget that weeds are everywhere. What needs to happen is we start taking care of our own lawns and tell authority to K.M.A.

I love Frank Zappas view on this very topic

Ender

You know that was the original idea of Marxist Communism...? The idea was great, but look at what happens when people try to implement it. Reality steps in and gives a good spanking to all those involved.

clarknova_666 wrote: »

when something goes wrong, we (our culture) asks someone else to fix it. This means we give away our authority to fix it ourselves.

If instead, when something went wrong, we dealt with the problem locally rather then asking someone to "do something"; we would continue to maintain our freedom, maintain personal responsibility, and maintain our authority to deal with the problem.

Those we handed the authority to are now abusing that authority. It is up to us to take that authority back if we are not happy with their solution.

It is never a matter of grass is always greener because the farther away you stand, the less you see the weeds, and you tend to forget that weeds are everywhere. What needs to happen is we start taking care of our own lawns and tell authority to K.M.A.

I love Frank Zappas view on this very topic

Midnite Mick

danger boy wrote: »

but, but, but..

you forgot..


1959, man of the house supports family of 5 and leads a productive life

2009, man of the house shoots family of 5, then takes own life.

In 2009 there is no man of the house.

The kids of today run the show.

rayslifecycle

I didn't know personal responsibility was communist....but I do know the communist revolution resulted in a dictatorship....the exact opposite of personal responsibility......
The founding of this country was all about personal responsibility.

What happenned since then?
Here are some examples of how we have moved toward communism and away from our ideals.

The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership). Rent = Property tax. If we owned it, we wouldn't need to pay tax on it.....it's ours.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". It is also called the IRS.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.


All of this happenned because someone whined and we asked government to "Fix it"

brettw22

NJPOLKER wrote: »

Now it may have to be the voters who must do the "right" thing and after this past election we are in a whole lot of trouble. God bless the children.

You're blaming this on Democrats? Seriously? Sometimes you just need to take the rose colored lenses off and call a spade a spade instead of injecting whatever you feel like caused your life to suck ****......

brettw22

After careful review, I thought my last response was too wordy so I'll summarize.....



BOOGIDY BOOGIDY BOOGIDY..........

Ender

I said Marxist Communism. In reality, there is no such thing as actual Marxist Communism because no one could pull it off. So you're actually supporting my argument. The problem is that personal responsibility does not happen to be a strong suit in most people. Which makes sense in a pragmatist perspective and if you believe the world is a dog-eat-dog kind of place.

George Grand

Once again, thank you knuckleheads for dragging politics into this. You are so like children, and I don't mean you Brett.

tom t

njpolker,

i agree with you 100%. and then when i heard about the hemi challanger,101%. i had a 70 cuda 383 in 77-79. it got stolen,o well.

rayslifecycle

I'm sorry George
I didn't mean to go there this time, but I reacted...........and I got a little verbose.....

And, in a short response to the thread,
Although I know people have a hard time taking care of themselves...........
it will upset me when they don't, and I will always advocate that they do.......

actually, maybe I'll step back.....relax on the advocatin'......do what I do, and appreciate how' y'all do........
Sorry to get a little righteous lately......we all have reasons for our opinions, and although I sometimes don't agree, I do appreciate learning about your views and how our differences can magically create a harmonious society (the wonderful USA)......I mean - well - for the most part..

Y'all are the most diverse group I have ever communicated with.
In a way, it illustrates: Polk = Universal

Peace

Ray

George Grand

It started in this thread, long before your post.

nooshinjohn

=Once again, thank you knuckleheads for dragging politics into this. You are so like children, and I don't mean you Brett..

.... for once I agree with you, just don't let it go to your head;)

apphd

steveinaz wrote: »

Some parents have no balls. They want to be junior's best friend instead of his parent. The two don't mix. Being a good parent is sometimes an unpopular role, if you can't take the heat--please, do us all a favor, don't have children.

Very well said Steve

NJPOLKER wrote: »

tomt
.....When I discuss these things with the principals and school superintendent they are guarded with there words which leads me to believe they are doing nothing but covering there own asses. You/I can't blame them totally when parents are so very ignorant, incompetent, lazy, stupid, clueless, selfish and so on.
I think this whole thing started with the parents not parenting...... .

How true how true.

When you think about the number of kids 13-18 having babies, the number of those brought up in a single parent household, then the number of those that do/sell drugs in front of the kids, dropped out of school and sit around playing video games instead of working, don't think I need to go on with this list. Then the families that would have had a chance have both parents working (sometimes just keeping up with the Jones's unfortunately) is it any wonder so many children are parentless.

wizzy

Communism didn't fail in the USSR due to the flaws of communist ideals, it failed because a small number of people (thousands among millions) strove to gain positions to advance their own interests at the expense of others and the greater good. Greed, want, power, and lust.

Capitalism and the latest mortgage/stock/etc mess didn't come about because of flaws in the basic ideas of capitalism, it came about because a small number of people (thousands among millions) strove to gain positions to advance their own interests at the expense of others and the greater good. Greed, want, power and lust.

See any similarities?

It's not the system, it's the people.

average_guy

wizzy wrote: »

Communism didn't fail in the USSR due to the flaws of communist ideals, it failed because a small number of people (thousands among millions) strove to gain positions to advance their own interests at the expense of others and the greater good. Greed, want, power, and lust.

Capitalism and the latest mortgage/stock/etc mess didn't come about because of flaws in the basic ideas of capitalism, it came about because a small number of people (thousands among millions) strove to gain positions to advance their own interests at the expense of others and the greater good. Greed, want, power and lust.

See any similarities?

It's not the system, it's the people.

All we need to do is get rid of all the people and whatever system is in place will run just fine then.

Face

Society isn't any sicker today than 5, 10, 50, 100, years ago, etc...

Are todays crimes really any worse than publically stoning or burning people because they were accused of things like witchcraft? Or how about the mentally ill was treated years ago compared to now? I can go on and on...

nooshinjohn

Face wrote: »

Society isn't any sicker today than 5, 10, 50, 100, years ago, etc...

Are todays crimes really any worse than publically stoning or burning people because they were accused of things like witchcraft? Or how about the mentally ill was treated years ago compared to now? I can go on and on...

great point Face... I do believe the news media, with breaking news of a child abduction in florida playing 24/7 in minneapolis distorts reality a bit... the difference is that back then what happened in pismo beach stayed there and did not get much play even a couple counties away, unless it was something truly shocking. To much time spent today caring about what happens somewhere else and not enough taking care of what happens at home....

bobman1235

wizzy wrote: »

It's not the system, it's the people.

Wrong. It's not the people, as in the individuals, it's human nature. If you have a system where a human can exploit individual power, THEY WILL. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." It is a truth of life. The only way to avoid it is to not allow for the opportunity. Communism will never work because it requires a ruling class, and you will NEVER have a ruling class that voluntarily treats itself equally as the rest. Pure capitalism (without restriction) would never work because those with the most money would immediately take over power. There's a reason the Constitution is written like it is, with balance of power and checks and balances; the founding fathers knew that given the opportunity, even the most well-meaning of people will abuse their power.

nooshinjohn

bobman1235 wrote: »

Wrong. It's not the people, as in the individuals, it's human nature. If you have a system where a human can exploit individual power, THEY WILL. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." It is a truth of life. The only way to avoid it is to not allow for the opportunity. Communism will never work because it requires a ruling class, and you will NEVER have a ruling class that voluntarily treats itself equally as the rest. Pure capitalism (without restriction) would never work because those with the most money would immediately take over power. There's a reason the Constitution is written like it is, with balance of power and checks and balances; the founding fathers knew that given the opportunity, even the most well-meaning of people will abuse their power.

...whilch brings us to the year 2009. checks and balances, GONE!

NJPOLKER

brettw22 wrote: »

You're blaming this on Democrats? Seriously? Sometimes you just need to take the rose colored lenses off and call a spade a spade instead of injecting whatever you feel like caused your life to suck ****......

You have no idea who I was refering to because I was not refering to any one party in particular. I have to laugh at you because you seem like a real angry boy, what the problem with you?

George Grand

NJPOLKER wrote: »

Now it may have to be the voters who must do the "right" thing and after this past election we are in a whole lot of trouble.

....

NJPOLKER

George
You must think I was referring to the Pres. election but the problem I have with the schools here have little to do with the national elections. We here in Hunterdon County need to fix our problems so my children continue to receive an excellent education.
Fortunately we have a pretty good system but it seems to be going down hill like the rest of the state/country.

George Grand

It was good of you to clarify that. Considering the present state of this forum, I think you can understand.